Steven Universe Season 3 |OT| Clods Among Us

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I think my only problem with the episode was it felt like the story should have been longer. Feels like the story needed a few more build ups to the pay off. Like Pearl and Garnet trying to talk to her before tossing her in storage.
 
I think my only problem with the episode was it felt like the story should have been longer. Feels like the story needed a few more build ups to the pay off. Like Pearl and Garnet trying to talk to her before tossing her in storage.

I agree with this.

It's like "Hey, Bismut is actually really pissed at Rose maybe we should talk this o..."

*storage'd*
 
so uhh rankings

1. Bismuth
I kinda had to put this at number one for the novelty of it being the first half-hour special, a format which works really well for the show. Told a really strong self-contained story with a lot of breathing room and none of the pacing problems that some of the 11 minute outings have. Bismuth herself's a great, morally grey character and her confrontation with Steven in the second half is one of, if not the most intense scene the show's ever done.
2. Crack that Whip
Stevonnie, using their sword and shield at the same time, riding on Lion to fight Jasper! Amethyst's reformation, and "You didn't need me at all...' So, so good.
3. Steven vs. Amethyst
Pretty good peek into the insecurities both Steven and Amethyst have, and their fight really showed how far Steven's come in mastering his abilities which I very much enjoyed.
4. Gem Hunt
It was cool to see Connie on her first mission. Wasn't much to this other than a nice setting and solid lines from Pearl, and Jasper's appearance here pretty much just felt like it was setting up for "Crack that Whip."

Next week's the season finale! Season 1 gave us the debut of Jasper, the reveal that Garnet's a fusion, and "Stronger than You," and Season 2 gave us Peridot becoming a Crystal Gem and the first appearance of Yellow Diamond. Wonder what they're gonna give us for the end of Season 3.

Also I don't think anyone's mentioned it, but Season 2 was added to Hulu recently. They're missing the last four episodes for some reason, but I imagine they'll put those up soon.
 
I agree with this.

It's like "Hey, Bismut is actually really pissed at Rose maybe we should talk this o..."

*storage'd*

I very much doubt this is the last we hear from Bismuth but as it stands she is a big threat to Peridot and other gems. They are going to have to deal with Lapis and Bismuth's past history as well eventually.
 
Oh my gosh Bismuth's war stories!
Her and Garnet taking on three quartz battalions?! Did they fuse!?
Pearl pulling a Nephrite straight out of a drop-ship's cockpit? Could Centi be Nephrite Jade?!

Damn man, that was a fantastic episode!

World building, lore, character development, action, comedy, and feels; this episode had it all!
The titular character herself was absolutely fantastic.
I love her boisterous personality, and sense of humor; Bismuth also seems like an incredibly loving and passionate friend if Garnet and Pearl's charming interactions with her are anything to go by. It honestly makes a lot of sense why she'd create a cruel weapon like the breaking point.

Speaking of the breaking point, the part in the forge where Bismuth says that Steven is already better than Rose gave me chills; Rose's secrecy and lies are coming back to haunt her family and friends.
Hopefully we'll get to see Bismuth again; Steven's not Rose, and Bismuth seems to understand this now.
 
I think my only problem with the episode was it felt like the story should have been longer. Feels like the story needed a few more build ups to the pay off. Like Pearl and Garnet trying to talk to her before tossing her in storage.

I sort of agree, but I think the crew probably could not resist setting up those parallels.
 
Phew, that was a fantastic episode! Glad Steven or the other CG didn't say anything about Peridot or Lapis, Bismut would have gone berserk and try to kill them :/ So I guess we will see Bismut again in the future near the ending for SU?
 
So, some people are taking Bismuth's line as definitive proof that Rose is Earth-born.

Leaving aside the possibility that Rose was simply lying, what other evidence do we have that she's from space?

(I mean, aside from the fact that it seems like her coming from space and falling in love with Earth would be stronger thematically than her protecting the planet after having been born there.)
 
So, some people are taking Bismuth's line as definitive proof that Rose is Earth-born.

Leaving aside the possibility that Rose was simply lying, what other evidence do we have that she's from space?

(I mean, aside from the fact that it seems like her coming from space and falling in love with Earth would be stronger thematically than her protecting the planet after having been born there.)

She talks about how "strange" earth is to Greg all the time, which doesn't make sense unless she has something else to compare it to
 
Really disappointed that we didn't get another cast member from Bismuth, kinda feels like a waste tbh. I understand that we have lots already but none of them are "new" we've known about them all since season 1.
 
FUUUUCK what a good episode. 22 minutes, too, I love that format. I wish the show was always half-hour, or at least more often.
 
I feel one of the biggest pieces of information from this episode is that Bismuth said
that Rose was a regular quartz. Which pretty much squashes all the Pink Diamond theories.
It doesn't squash anything. My theory is still that Pink Diamond was a fusion of Rose and Lion, so of course Rose on her own was just a regular quartz.
Oh and Rose lied either outright or by omission, that was one of the points the episode also reenforced.

I also still believe Jasper will be redeemed, it looks bad right now with her poofing Amethyst and attacking but Peridot looked really bad for some time too, she trapped the crystal gems in the ship with deadly traps and it ended with her kidnapping Steven out of his bedroom before she was caught so there's still room for Jasper to make a face turn, although there's no time for this in season 3 with just a few episodes left, this season will most likely end with her defeat (hopefully by Amethyst in some way), maybe we'll even get a second appearance from yellow diamond, Jasper might want to contact her.
 
So, some people are taking Bismuth's line as definitive proof that Rose is Earth-born.

Leaving aside the possibility that Rose was simply lying, what other evidence do we have that she's from space?

(I mean, aside from the fact that it seems like her coming from space and falling in love with Earth would be stronger thematically than her protecting the planet after having been born there.)

She talks about how "strange" earth is to Greg all the time, which doesn't make sense unless she has something else to compare it to

There's nothing saying that gems made on earth stayed on earth exclusively and there's nothing that says Rose wasn't made on earth.

In fact in on-the-run Amy tells Steven that she's not from HW like Pearl and Garnet and that she's from earth like him. She did not include Rose in the HW boat when it coulda been easy to say "Pearl, Garnet and Rose" if that were the case.
 
There's nothing saying that gems made on earth stayed on earth exclusively and there's nothing that says Rose wasn't made on earth.

In fact in on-the-run Amy tells Steven that she's not from HW like Pearl and Garnet and that she's from earth like him. She did not include Rose in the HW boat when it coulda been easy to say "Pearl, Garnet and Rose" if that were the case.

Well I mean, Rose was dead at that point. It doesn't make much sense to say that especially when Rose's death is still a touchy subject for people.
 
I officially don't like Rose as a character. Hero to gemkind or not, she left this wave of FUD when she poofed into Steven and expected everyone to pick up the pieces. How horrible. Bismuth is the most egregious example of this.

I don't trust her origins either. She probably is a Diamond and just props herself as begin a lowly quartz to win hearts and minds. How many more secrets did she hide in that lion's mane?
 
Loved to learn that Roses sword
is a non lethal force, did we already know this? Steven and Connie might grow on this and go harder out knowing they will never kill whilst using it.

A problem with the episode I have is that the breaking point doesn't seem like that effective of a weapon. Why is shattering so much better than proofing? How would that have made a difference? I mean, those bubbled gems have been there for thousands of years. They're as good as shattered.

Only thing I can think of is that, maybe homeworld was getting the gems that were poofed back somehow and sending them right back to war? I feel like she should have mentioned this to make her argument stronger if so. Right now Bismuth just came across as overly blood thirsty for... some reason

Thinking back it could seem that HW has some kind of gem retrivial tech based on how Sapphire said she would reform on HW after getting poofed in her vision in the answer. I don't see why she wouldn't just reform on the ship? Unless Sapphire need longer for some reason.

It doesn't squash anything. My theory is still that Pink Diamond was a fusion of Rose and Lion, so of course Rose on her own was just a regular quartz.

This got me thinking, I'm not reading so much on theory and stuff outside of occasionally jumping into this thread, but what would the other diamond defuse into? Since there were four of them maybe there is some lore/foreshadowing points to find when considering the four Evangelists since each of them have their unique "animal" representation, one of which is a Lion. I don't know anything else about the Evangelists though. Has this ever come up in the fandom?
 
This got me thinking, I'm not reading so much on theory and stuff outside of occasionally jumping into this thread, but what would the other diamond defuse into? Since there were four of them maybe there is some lore/foreshadowing points to find when considering the four Evangelists since each of them have their unique "animal" representation, one of which is a Lion. I don't know anything else about the Evangelists though. Has this ever come up in the fandom?
The show has a lot af anime influences so maybe Lion is based on a Shishi? They are magical lions and often guard shrines in Japan.
 
Couldn't stop myself from seeing Beta and Earthlings preview and screenshots.
Jasper really IS Vegeta and Amy is OVER 9000!
I can't wait :-o
 
I saw the leak for Bismuth at first and it didn't have the
Lonely Blade Infinite Power
segment. Makes the episode much, much better since it's not as foreshadowed, and nothing feels like it's missing.
 
No episode today but we'll be back Monday with a back the back episodes Beta and Earthlings.

Until then a warning. Canada may be airing Beta early today so be on the look out for spoilers and if you do watch a leak please please please tag it with the episode name and spoilers (of course).
 
What a fantastic episode. Kinda hope they start doing more 22 minutes episodes like this every season at least for the big stuff if they going to be as well executed as this one was.
 
I just catched up from the last Steven Bomb (Barn saga) to yesterday in 2 days.

Holy hell. What the fuck did I just watch, the SU train just goes faster and faster.

How do they keep getting better and better at this? :D
 
I'm having mixed feelings about the Bismuth episode(s). I feel that it all went a bit too fast. It would have been nice to introduce Bismuth and then have her around for a few episodes till the end of the season. This would have given the whole story a bit more time to build up.
This way it all went very fast. Hey, I'm Bismuth -> I'm great -> I'm insane -> Bye Bismuth.

I do guess we might see her again at some point though, let's see!
 
That episode was wow, just wow.

I think the best thing is that it warms you up to Bismuth and that Amethyst and Steven are still a bit confused about her, but like her fairly quickly (felt like I did as a viewer a bit, unsure but at the same time she felt perfectly at home with all the other Crystal Gems) and that she could join the maincast and she wouldn't be out of place.

And then after a mostly quiet episode that happens. Another great thing aswell was Bismuths comments on Rose actually confused me a bit, for a second there I really did feel like Rose may have overtaken Steven (I mean she is Steven, but she also isn't, she's a part of him, but she's not him) but the ending did a good job of showing that they're different despite Steven having much in common with Rose.

The way everything was handled was just perfect. Also loved the Yu Yu Hakusho mid-episode card nod.

If we got this today I can't begin to imagine what we're in for in the next couple of weeks. It's gonna be a wild ride.
 
A problem with the episode I have is that the breaking point doesn't seem like that effective of a weapon. Why is shattering so much better than proofing? How would that have made a difference? I mean, those bubbled gems have been there for thousands of years. They're as good as shattered.

Only thing I can think of is that, maybe homeworld was getting the gems that were poofed back somehow and sending them right back to war? I feel like she should have mentioned this to make her argument stronger if so. Right now Bismuth just came across as overly blood thirsty for... some reason

I mean, it's exactly as you say; a shattered gem is "dead", a bubbled gem is "captured". Captured soldiers can be rescued, but dead soldiers are dead forever. You've gotta hold all your bubbled enemies somewhere, and if the enemy ever finds that place they've got immediate access to massive cache of reinforcements.
 
Steven's line
"Normally when I meet a new gem they try to kill me and it takes forever to become friends with them"
makes me think that
we'll eventually see Bismuth again.
 
Steven's line
"Normally when I meet a new gem they try to kill me and it takes forever to become friends with them"
makes me think that
we'll eventually see Bismuth again.

Probably when
they assault Homeworkd or when Yellow Diamond arrives they need all the help they can get
 
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