Joyful
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There is no reason to remove the headphone port on an iPhone or any phone.
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no its apple who are wrong
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I'm blown away that some of you actually use your phone's speakers on a regular basis. Doesn't matter "good" they are, they're always shit compared to literally every other method of playing music from your phone. Using this as justification for removing a headphone jack where I can play music from actual decent speakers is just ridiculous.
Put me squarely in the camp of this being a dumb and greedy move from a company known for doing shit like this.
Android for life baby.
Put me squarely in the camp of this being a dumb and greedy move from a company known for doing shit like this.
Android for life baby.
So people should just assume that Apple will revolutionise everything?
Palette Swap
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It seems fallacious to say "well, they've had success in the past, so a market acceptance is a foregone conclusion and everyone will love it".
That's what I'm curious about : how they'll market the removal if this comes to pass.
sankt-Antonio
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Yes it has. Last things have been the new earbuds/ In ear things, and advertisement for "mastered for iTunes" on iTunes.
There are third party Lightning headphones already.
I hypothesized it might have something to do with waterproofing, and that might be part of it, but it's possible to waterproof the headphone jack already do that's probably the main driving force.
My current hypothesis is that it simplifies the internals, overall reducing costs.
Going back to the original iPod, there have been two audio circuits: the headphone jack and the line out. The line out has always gone through the dock connector (nee lightning jack).
So, my guess is that Apple is eliminating the headphone circuit and instead consolidating audio output to just the line out, putting the signal converter in the adapter.
It remains to be seen what benefits this brings to customers. It certainly seems like the benefits are mostly Apple's, although eliminating a point of ingress will no doubt save a few people's phones. Maybe it will sound better. *shrug*
My current hypothesis is that it simplifies the internals, overall reducing costs.
Going back to the original iPod, there have been two audio circuits: the headphone jack and the line out. The line out has always gone through the dock connector (nee lightning jack).
So, my guess is that Apple is eliminating the headphone circuit and instead consolidating audio output to just the line out, putting the signal converter in the adapter.
It remains to be seen what benefits this brings to customers. It certainly seems like the benefits are mostly Apple's, although eliminating a point of ingress will no doubt save a few people's phones. Maybe it will sound better. *shrug*
This complaint is kinda warranted though. And people are still bitching about the lack of ports in the latest MacBook line, and the pencil charging/no reserved place for it, and the mouse charging- honestly it just feels like lazy/shitty design choices as of late.
JrBaconCheeseburger
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I love and use apple products (5K iMac ,Macbook Pro , iPhone etc)
I am an apple customer but i have to question sometimes how people defend every move apple makes, As if everything done by them is for the better of all mankind and they can do no wrong.
People are saying that they are trying to move wireless technology forward.
Unless there is a pair of wireless buds in that new iPhone box, that is as far as your argument can go.
I am an apple customer but i have to question sometimes how people defend every move apple makes, As if everything done by them is for the better of all mankind and they can do no wrong.
People are saying that they are trying to move wireless technology forward.
Unless there is a pair of wireless buds in that new iPhone box, that is as far as your argument can go.
Earpods are marketed for comfort, style, and build quality......they don't say "Hey these things are trash" but they aren't being sold as high-end audio equipment. They're a functional default for somebody that wants something better than cheap garbage but not professional-grade.
"Mastered for iTunes" is/was kind of a tacit admission that the audio files they had been selling for a decade were kinda junk and a response to services offering higher quality audio.
Thebeardofknowledge
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What the fuck does giving you free stuff have to do with advancing the industry ?
There's a reason it's stuck around, and that's because there is absolutely no reason to change it. It works perfectly, has incredible quality and has literally no drawbacks.
Just because something is new and wireless, doesn't mean it's better, and doesn't mean we should be rushing to replace all our perfectly functional standards.
Newer does not equal better, especially not in this case.
Unknown Soldier
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I take you've never tried to use a Mac for gaming (without using Bootcamp).
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a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I think it's pretty clear what he meant...
Or ITunes the worst software in the entire universe.
Well duuuhhh.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I have a nagging feeling the only reason most people defend the removal of the 3.5mm jack is because the product has the Apple logo on the back.
Serial port, optical drives, and hardware keyboards had objectively superior alternatives in new ports, digital distribution, and screen real estate. There is no objectively superior alternatives to 3.5mm jacks that will make sense for use in a phone to the point of removal. The only reason they're removing it is to sell adapters and license lightning cables for headphones and $$$.
Serial port, optical drives, and hardware keyboards had objectively superior alternatives in new ports, digital distribution, and screen real estate. There is no objectively superior alternatives to 3.5mm jacks that will make sense for use in a phone to the point of removal. The only reason they're removing it is to sell adapters and license lightning cables for headphones and $$$.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No one knows anything at all. Seriously.
old manatee
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It's hard to defend the removal of the headphone jack when there isn't a single pair of wireless headphones that isn't completely bodied by a much cheaper pair of wired headphones.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Not just that, but in every single iPhone 7/Plus leak so far, the removal has lead to INCREDIBLY small decreases in size to the point where they could still easily fit the jack in there.
And that's why comparisons to stuff like serial ports are just so incredibly wrong.
Solideliquid
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Let's hold off until the keynote so they can explain the rationale. Maybe there's a very good reason for removing the headphone jack.
Caveat: since I purchased the Bose QC35 headphones I have not plugged in any headphones into my phone. A good set of Bluetooth headphones with good battery life is the future fam.
Caveat: since I purchased the Bose QC35 headphones I have not plugged in any headphones into my phone. A good set of Bluetooth headphones with good battery life is the future fam.
sankt-Antonio
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False.
They advertised the new buds to have better bass response and better audio all around.
Mastered for iTunes has not changed the audio format in any way, its the same quality and format they sold for decades. Its a incentive to push audio mixers/producers to stop the loudness war and bad practices that goes with it (its not really strict) etc. All for the sake of giving iTunes users better audio production and ultimately better audio quality.
edit: This is what Apple writes at their website:
"The speakers inside Apple EarPods have been engineered to minimize sound loss and maximize sound output. So you get high-quality audio that’s just as impressive as what you’d hear from more expensive headphones."
JrBaconCheeseburger
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How about a good set of wired headphones where battery life isn't even an issue?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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faceless007
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I think posts like this fail to take into account the differences between computers and phones. The usage patterns and accessory needs are inherently different -- while losing a built-in optical drive might have been somewhat annoying, there were still USB drives available to those who wanted them and since laptops tend to be stationary on desks, this didn't fundamentally impact the way the drive was used. Same with serial ports: for the most part, once you plug it in, it doesn't actually matter what the physical connection is and the benefits of USB over serial were obvious and game-changing.
I would argue the headphone minijack is unique among all other connections you could point to. I would venture it's easily the single most widely adopted interconnect for any data transfer in the world by both number of devices and number of people who use it regularly; the most frequently connected/disconnected (no computer port would come remotely close), the most used in active and on-the-go situations, the one subjected to the most abuse; the one most integrated into 3rd-party devices like car stereos, home stereos and any audio equipment at all; and the easiest and cheapest to find replacement parts for. Not even USB would touch it on any of these fronts. And so I think trying to force a changeover is going to be uniquely difficult unlike any connection standard you could possibly point to. Going by sheer number of devices alone that would be affected, I don't think there's ever been a similar changeover for anything.
And there's another aspect which is that, presumably Apple is planning to replace the port for the entire iPhone line, leaving no option for those who still want a headphone jack in this device line. This is not something they traditionally do. Even though they took out almost all ports for the rMB, the MBA line is still available. Even though they took out the optical drive from most Macbooks, you can still buy a Macbook Pro with an optical drive and Ethernet if you want. Forcing an entire product line to switchover in a single generation (if that's what they do) is stunningly rash and myopic.
I don't think enough people use their phone like that to justify the removal of the headphone jack. The companies who already have certainly aren't marketing it that way.
Exactly, it's not like anyone is removing the option to use these wired headph...wait, wut?
The adaptor route is shit. You saw the Moto Z one, right?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Just guessing here, but I figure this move is the next step in Apple figuring out something about headphone tech they want to do that they can't with their already modified headphone jacks.
Apple's already had extra "rings" on these ports for a long time for extra features, like their built-in headphone mics and dock capabilities. I feel like there's got to be something they want to do but can't update this port anymore to do it.
Apple's already had extra "rings" on these ports for a long time for extra features, like their built-in headphone mics and dock capabilities. I feel like there's got to be something they want to do but can't update this port anymore to do it.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Just guessing here, but I figure this move is the next step in Apple figuring out something about headphone tech they want to do that they can't with their already modified headphone jacks.
Apple's already had extra "rings" on these ports for a long time for extra features, like their built-in headphone mics and dock capabilities. I feel like there's got to be something they want to do but can't update this port anymore to do it.
That doesn't justify removal of the entire port
JrBaconCheeseburger
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yes
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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These threads will be fun for months after the phone is out to see who stuck to their guns in the face of Apple's RDF.
yep. will be fun to revisit these threads a year or 2 later
Earthanoid
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Are there any rumors about whether or not the next iPhone uses wireless charging or not? If it does I'd be less skeptical about it, because you'd at least be able to charge while using the port. If it doesn't then it's just a bad move.
You can still buy new from Apple
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There is no reason to think they're gonna stop selling phones with headphone jacks after September.
IMO you'll be able to buy
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All with a jack.
JrBaconCheeseburger
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Thank you captain obvious.
I do not think he was talking about phones out now but going forward, the device line would be affected.
faceless007
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We know Lightning is proprietary and minijacks aren't.
Just guessing here, but I figure this move is the next step in Apple figuring out something about headphone tech they want to do that they can't with their already modified headphone jacks.
Apple's already had extra "rings" on these ports for a long time for extra features, like their built-in headphone mics and dock capabilities. I feel like there's got to be something they want to do but can't update this port anymore to do it.
Such a connector would most likely be proprietary, knowing Apple.
sankt-Antonio
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I am invested in the Apple ecosystem, if future iPhones have no aux port because the broad masses and thus the marked are okay with it i will have to get used to that, if i like it or not.
Not going to invest thousands of euros in a new ecosystem because of the aux port.
but it would always be inconvenient for my personal usecase.
Whats funny about that?
JrBaconCheeseburger
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You should be embarrassed for openly stating that.
embarrassed about what?
ConfusingJazz
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I am literally listening to my iPhone via a headphone jack right now. Shocking I know.
Meanwhile, every time I try to charge my phone and I accidentally bump it, the damn lightening cable falls out.
And I wake up with my phone with 6% charge. :/
31GhostsIV
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Hmm. If the jack is missing, i'll just stick with my 6+ 128gb for another year to see if the jack returns. The 6+ has been great for the nearly two years I've had it, so I don't see any reason to not enjoy cheaper phone bills for a while.
The Note 7 also looks really nice, but I have a MBP and I think i'd miss the tight ios/osx integration if I switched to Team Android.
For the record, the majority of audio played from my phone is either music via bluetooth in the car or the phone speakers for podcasts. But if i'm in the Gym, or even doing household chores I want headphones. Preferably ones that don;t need to be charged.
And this - i've been through three lightning charge cables and I don't mistreat them. There's never any tension on the bloody things either, because I have a 1m usb extension cable on my charger. And they still die. Nothing can convince me the lightning cable is fit for the purpose of headphones when it barely pulls of charging and syncing.
The Note 7 also looks really nice, but I have a MBP and I think i'd miss the tight ios/osx integration if I switched to Team Android.
For the record, the majority of audio played from my phone is either music via bluetooth in the car or the phone speakers for podcasts. But if i'm in the Gym, or even doing household chores I want headphones. Preferably ones that don;t need to be charged.
And this - i've been through three lightning charge cables and I don't mistreat them. There's never any tension on the bloody things either, because I have a 1m usb extension cable on my charger. And they still die. Nothing can convince me the lightning cable is fit for the purpose of headphones when it barely pulls of charging and syncing.
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