Because the developer told you that you needed to delete your save in order to get the most from the patch? That's sort of the definition of fundamentally changing the experience.
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Because the developer told you that you needed to delete your save in order to get the most from the patch? That's sort of the definition of fundamentally changing the experience.
Gator Bait
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Thats probably a big minority even outside of NeoGAF.
Reviews factor in online multiplayer in their scores to, does that mean these scores are invalid since a small amount of people can't access internet on their consoles?
spookyfish
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Probably been said, but
"What does the patch DO?"
"What does the patch DO?"
It is a catch-22, Yossarian.
Bits N Pieces
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Dont know if its already been posted (these NMS threads move fast!) but a wee word of warning, from GI
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Sony Issues Manual Copyright Strikes Against YouTubers Just For Discussing No Man's Sky
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Chû Totoro
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No but GAF is not the world and even on GAF some have data caps. Also just the practice of day one patches is bad imo (of course I prefer a patch than nothing but why can't they deliver a final product on time ffs).
Also in a few years if there's no more support for this content then game on disc will worth almost nothing. For a "no PS+ and Internet required" game it's a little sad.
AmaterasuOkami076
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They get a couple of games a year. They don't have much money. They got a second hand PS4 at a mates rate. They can't afford the monthly costs of broadband. It doesn't affect you but that's no reason to be a dick about it.
AmaterasuOkami076
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That's encouraging to hear. Thanks!
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Chû Totoro;212841393 said:
You got receipts?
RichiRamjag
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We live in a 'connected' world. Your girlfriend's fam is a very small sub-group of people. I would hate to miss out on potential work that begins immediately after the game goes to print because of their situation.
Then they are better off buying single player games with no online components and not have the entire internet forum worry about their day one NMS patch.
Anyway, you obviously have internet, perhaps you can help them out and download a patch for them, instead of using their poverty for your own selfish interests.
Vincent Grayson
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Chû Totoro;212841393 said:
The practice of day one patches is the inevitable result of having to "finish" the game a month or more before it's actually available to customers. It's really that simple.
This really bugs me. I actually pre ordered the game because of all the videos.
If you really want, help them out by tethering to the Ps4 with your phone. Get them that day 1 patch, and you're a hero
AmaterasuOkami076
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Oh I totally agree they're a very small minority nowadays. I still think it's a shame that this is becoming the norm though. If it was utterly broken at launch without the patch they'd probably just wait until a GOTY edition if it was to ever happen.
Would that actually work? Actually even if it did I'd need the patch to be below 1GB. It'll probably be huge considering what games are like for patches this gen.
Itchy//Tasty
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In the absence of any official reviews yet, here's my two-word review based on about 6 hours of pre-patch gameplay and about 1-2 of post patch gameplay:
fuckin' peachy.
I'm sorry if this breaks some legality.
fuckin' peachy.
I'm sorry if this breaks some legality.
TheLostBigBoss
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One review and we're already at 15 pages.
This is gonna be a wild wide.
I think it's silly in our modern console/game dev cycle to just hand wave away day one patch because there can be a small percentage of people buying the game with no access to the internet to be able to get the Day 0 content.
Saying that "oh I bought this so I need to review it even with the major update patch incoming on release" is ignoring the last decade of how games have been presented and sold to consumers, which is a mix of a standard commercial product and a service model.
The vast majority of people getting NMS will have internet access, the vast majority will have the D0 patch installed before they play the game. We're not talking about Sim City where you have to come back like two months later to re-review the game or update the score.
This is gonna be a wild wide.
I think it's silly in our modern console/game dev cycle to just hand wave away day one patch because there can be a small percentage of people buying the game with no access to the internet to be able to get the Day 0 content.
Saying that "oh I bought this so I need to review it even with the major update patch incoming on release" is ignoring the last decade of how games have been presented and sold to consumers, which is a mix of a standard commercial product and a service model.
The vast majority of people getting NMS will have internet access, the vast majority will have the D0 patch installed before they play the game. We're not talking about Sim City where you have to come back like two months later to re-review the game or update the score.
Mmmmm I dont think the Day1 patch is extra content...I think it just the game as it was supposed to be...
arts&crafts
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Peaches are my favorite fruit, confirmed GOAT game.
Vincent Grayson
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The patch is 800mb.
CecilRousso
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What's their opinion about all the planned updates for this game? Regardless of day 1 patches or not, the dev's plan is to continue to change this game and add content. Is that also a problem for them, that they would be missing out on future updates?
BackFromThePast
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What shit? You want the rest of the globe to do without the gaming benefits of an internet connection because your gfs family can't afford/can't get access to an internet connection?
It's selfishness like this that upsets me. The people without internet connections are a very small minority.Very small. I do not blame a developer for focusing on the masses.
Oh please, finishing a game and then having a long lead time to manufacture carts or discs has ALWAYS been a thing, long before the internet was even used on consoles.
AmaterasuOkami076
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They thought it was an offline, no internet required game. That's the thing.
Sorry to inconvenience you and the rest of the forum for thinking it's a shame that offline games dont require day one patches though. I'll just let them know it's 2016.
We don't live anywhere near them, and don't get to see them all that often. So travelling to take their PS4 home and download a patch and travel back isn't as easy. Unless it is a small patch and I can tether my phone like someone else suggested.
Vincent Grayson
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Right, so before modern consoles, you got the game that was done, and nothing else.
How in the world is that better?
hemo memo
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Developer also told us SimCity needs to be always online. You don't just blindly believe what ever develper tell you.
AmaterasuOkami076
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I don't have an issue with post game content. As long as the base game is complete on disc at release. But if you all think that's a selfish wish. I'll take my leave from this thread.
Awesome, that's doable. Thanks!
Oh, I don't know, because developers knew they had to release a good product or make little money?
Spiral Insanity
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I am just gobsmacked at people spinning this into a bad thing.
The only downside I can see is that you will need internet access to play the latest version game. But these are the times we live in, for good and for bad.
Years ago, when we didn't have numerous and plentiful post-release support and updates for console games, you would just have to deal with a broken game.
Is that what some of you want to go back to?
Why are you being so picky about the game not having this day 1 patch considered in the reviews, is this about punishing developers or informing gamers for you?
Would you prefer if the game had no post-release support? Obviously Hello Games would probably agree that they'd prefer to have enough time/resources/experience/budget to ship the game they envisioned on time, on schedule, and meeting every their own goals and expectations.. but software development is difficult, and they set out to make something incredibly ambitious that not many AAA studios would dare fund.
The only downside I can see is that you will need internet access to play the latest version game. But these are the times we live in, for good and for bad.
Years ago, when we didn't have numerous and plentiful post-release support and updates for console games, you would just have to deal with a broken game.
Is that what some of you want to go back to?
Why are you being so picky about the game not having this day 1 patch considered in the reviews, is this about punishing developers or informing gamers for you?
Would you prefer if the game had no post-release support? Obviously Hello Games would probably agree that they'd prefer to have enough time/resources/experience/budget to ship the game they envisioned on time, on schedule, and meeting every their own goals and expectations.. but software development is difficult, and they set out to make something incredibly ambitious that not many AAA studios would dare fund.
A few people I know just teather their phones to download the patches if small and disconnect. I have a few friends who I shipped Halo MCC via an external hard drive because they where on DSL.
Isn't the game playable (as demonstrated by streamers) without the day1 patch? How is the team continuing to add features and fixing glitches past the Gold date a bad thing?
Who said the pre patch game wasn't good?
For crying out loud...
Who said the pre patch game wasn't good?
For crying out loud...
The game, as is, on disc scored an 8 out of 10. In what way is that an incomplete game?
Games / software are rarely ever 'done'. If you were a developer in the 80s/90s and your game got shipped on cartridges; if there was an 'update' functionality you would probably consider it to be awesome because that means you could keep on improving and fixing your game. There is a big difference for having your game in a 'playable state' (aka it passes certification), and being able to spend more time to improve many facets of your game (ranging from performance optimalisations to graphics to gameplay mechanics).
stump sock
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Got Mine, Fuck You's Sky
Did I once say that? I was replying to the fellow above about day one patches in general.
DeepEnigma
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This review sold me!
This.
Even if they delayed the game a month to incorporate this day one patch on the disc version, there would be another day one patch.
The game currently on disc is apperently working, enjoyable and not broken except one flaw in the economy balance.
And I think it is up reviewers whether or not they want to review an on disc version or a patched version, as long as they clearly state which version they reviewed. I don't even ask them to change there scores if a patched version warrants that, but I think it is fair to inform readers about the changes in the release window of the game.
This game is mostly likely going to see more content EVERY patch. So there's no way they can please the non-Internet fans here. It's basically like buying a physical release of Minecraft when it launched and then never updating it. Your game will end up missing the bulk of the content eventually.
NHarmonic.
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Lol, why do devs release games with Day 1 patches? It doesn't matter if it's kind of the norm nowadays, but they should ship finished games, completely. You can't be still testing shit when the game is out for the customers or a month before. The schedules of the games are on their back, not the customers, even when the industry forces you to accelerate everything (though this game was announced a lot of time ago, with delays included).
AmaterasuOkami076
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If it's just a small flaw in the economy, that's tolerable. I still think it's a shame that "finishing" a game after release is becoming the norm. But that's more for broken games that aren't indicative of how the game should actually play after it's been finished.
That doesn't apply to this game so I apologise for whinging about this in this thread.
Vincent Grayson
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Your choices are simple: get over it, or stop playing games.
It isn't going to change (for reasons plenty of people have already covered).
More_Badass
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Some movies are in post-production days before first screenings. You absolutely can still be testing a month before release. A month is a long time, and you benefit from a better game
CecilRousso
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Bloodporne
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Came in here to read reviews of the game...
What the hell happened here!?
What the hell happened here!?
Back when MS announced the XB1 and required 'checking in' online every 24 hours, the gaming community was in an uproar and it was absolutely unacceptable. Not saying I support MS's decision just that it is funny how the times have changed...or maybe its because its the more 'acceptable' company
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