A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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MassiveNights said:
"We don't know if you can see other players in No Man's Sky" would be fine
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There is no evidence you can see others players. None. There is evidence, so far, that you can't see them.

test_account said:
Arent you able to name planets and such if you discover them first? And therefor possible file a grief report based on this?
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Even assuming that's accurate, that doesn't account for playing with friends, either.
 
MassiveNights said:
"We don't know if you can see other players in No Man's Sky" would be fine
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Those two players couldn't see each other being both online in the same place at the same time for some time. Yes, one of them got disconnected afterwards, but unless there is a confirmation that they couldn't see each other because of a server error or because you need to stay connected and in the same place for hours, that's the test case we have for now.
 
test_account said:
Arent you able to name planets and such if you discover them first? And therefor possible file a grief report based on this?
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G7X8
 
So much fun watching stuff like this unfold on launch day. I definitely took the "not likely" statement to mean it could possibly happen. Interesting that it happened on day one.
 
EatinOlives said:
No, I'm saying bumping into another player does not automatically mean your game is "a multiplayer game". Similarly, when Murray said "this isn't a multiplayer game", he does not automatically also say "...and you can't bump into other players either".
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If you watch Crowbcat's video, you can see him clearly saying:
Sean Murray: "The only way for you to know what you look like is for someone else to see you."
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Stephen Colbert: Can you run into other people?
Sean Murray: Yes.
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I wonder what that's meant to mean.
 
Honestly it's really hard to believe that a studio that small would code a whole system for interacting with other players in real tim when it's super rare that it ever happens.
 
Did people honestly think that they would implement that?... A server that tracks player characters is so much more complicated than a server that updates a bunch of text files

I dunno why they were being coy though
 
While definitely not a deal breaker, it's disappointing to say the least. Still waiting for those initial PC impressions before I bite.
 
Sounds good to me, I don't need other players fiddling with my fantasy of going on a lone trip to explore space, seeing other people naming planets are bad enough considering the mental age of some gamers.
 
bearythebear said:
Did people honestly think that they would implement that?... A server that tracks player characters is so much more complicated than a server that updates a bunch of text files

I dunno why they were being coy though
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They were not coy. Sean said, if you watch the video, that you can see another player. Now if it is not in the game that's a lie.
 
I still can't fathom why Sean would say that you cannot see yourself, ever. And that the only way for that to happen would be for another player to see you. Why on earth would he say that if the assets to 'see' a player are not even in the game. Like, "We never developed assets to represent a players' likeness" but we'll go ahead and say that we have. It makes no sense and in my opinion goes against the grain of Sean's character/rep in the community.
 
UncleSporky said:
EDIT: You edited before I hit post, I think it was something like "fair enough, but will you allow for the above possibilities."

I just think it's ridiculous that there's this sudden and massive outcry grasping at every straw possible, including this built-in airbag for if/when none of them matter, that apparently this has been well known all along and statements like in the video linked above didn't happen.

I'm saying that yes, of course there could be something weird going on and multi exists and you can see other people. But the...voracity on display here. The leap to every possible defense under the sun. It's just too much.
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Yeah, i edited my post because i misread what you said. I thought you said that you didnt have any strong feelings one way or the other regarding this, and then i said thats fair enough, but then i saw that you asked what i ment with my question =)

Well, theres a lot of people saying different things, so there will be different opinions on what might be wrong. Its not like one person compiled a long list, but even so, i think all of those reasons might sound plausible.
 
Me and a friend can be in the same place in the cosmodrome in Destiny, but we're not in the same place. Instancing might limit player interaction possibilities further.

At the moment and I've played it alot over the last 3-4 days I'd prefer not to meet someone else.
 
EatinOlives said:
No, I'm saying bumping into another player does not automatically mean your game is "a multiplayer game". Similarly, when Murray said "this isn't a multiplayer game", he does not automatically also say "...and you can't bump into other players either".
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Right.
Lol people posting that crowbcat video acting like not being to meet players is proven.
 
Dr_Boris_Goltz said:
They wouldn't spend time programming something as complicated as online play for it to be "extremely rare".

That's just common sense.
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I've been saying this for like two freakin years, but that doesn't change the fact HG was incredibly vague about how it would work, perhaps intentionally.
 
Deku Tree said:
Honestly it's really hard to believe that a studio that small would code a whole system for interacting with other players in real tim when it's super rare that it ever happens.
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I totally agree and that's completely reasonable. But then don't say explicitly that yes, you can actually encounter other players. Just be honest and forthright.

This doesn't affect my purchase decision at all (still in wait and see mode) but I hate it when developers pull this kind of stuff.
 
MassiveNights said:
I mean it could be that.

Also Sean Murray may have been lying for 3 years.

The point is we don't know and this thread is a car crash because of the definitive statements at the beginning.
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Here are the facts, as of this post:

- Sean Murray has gone on record saying that the game will have multiplayer multiple times
- Two players arrived in the same location and were unable to see eachother

Anything else is speculation.
 
This is actually pretty disappointing to me. Imagine having the game for months and not seeing anyone until that time you actually do run into another player....Well thats not happening now.
 
deadduck said:
Me and a friend can be in the same place in the cosmodrome in Destiny, but we're not in the same place. Instancing might limit player interaction possibilities further.

At the moment and I've played it alot over the last 3-4 days I'd prefer not to meet someone else.
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Destiny does not work the same way as NMS, even the idea of instancing makes little sense for what NMS is doing.
 
Deku Tree said:
Honestly it's really hard to believe that a studio that small would code a whole system for interacting with other players in real tim when it's super rare that it ever happens.
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Is this a new game engine or coding language or something? I've heard of Unreal engine, is this like a branch of it?
 
Shirow said:
But hey, it's us who are confused right?

This is way worse than anyone could of thought of. I feel sad for those folks putting in their money into this only to then find out they got sold a lie.
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But even if MP had been in the game it would not have been a substantial part of the game. They may have lied, yes, but MP was never at the core of the game.
 
GravityInsanity said:
Crowbcat video - Sean Murray lying about multiplayer for No Man's Sky
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I already posted my feelings a couple posts back, but now I actually do remember seeing this and hearing him say YES. Damn I remember it so well, on the Colbert show! I never actually believed it. I just simply couldn't believe they'd dedicate the resources to show players (and only SHOW players, with NO interactions) for something that was such a remote possibility. For such a small team, to dedicate time to netcode, lag, animations, just to SHOW players, I never actually believed what he was saying and as I phrased in my other post I just had this inner feeling you wouldn't be able to see other players.

People are right to be pissed off though. It was just a marketing hyping ploy and of course everyone believed because hey, usually you assume people tell the truth.

I mentioned this as speculation, but now, I really got to wonder - who thought to market the game like this? Was it Sean, or Sony?

I can't see Sean wanting to deceive people!!!! He has always been SO worried about people misunderstanding the game, WHY would he have said this? It does not fit with his persona at all. Could it really be that Sony pushed him to market the game as having multiplayer?
 
Enter the Dragon Punch said:
Here are the facts, as of this post:

- Sean Murray has gone on record saying that the game will have multiplayer multiple times
- Two players arrived in the same location and were unable to see eachother

Anything else is speculation.
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And that amounts to a thread called "You can't see other players in No Man's Sky" with an opening post saying this is now definitive?

OK, that's cool.

I thought we held NeoGAF to a higher standard.

I'm out!
 
"We do have some online features and easter eggs so people can know they are playing in the same universe."

https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/762689755792412672

Isn't this basically confirmation that the online play consists of merely a lobby list, or an in-game message, or similar..?

Why on earth have they not been more clear on this instead of leading people on. It doesn't make any sense.
 
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