Aaronology
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"And Donald Trump is here... still!" is the moment that pushed Trump over the edge, I think. Barack didn't even bother with a prolonged roast that time, just utter dismissal. I can only imagine how that damaged Trump's ego.
Donald Trump suggests 2nd Amendment Folks do something about Hillary
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Trump's hemorrhaging support at this point. All the republicans that were clinging to the hope that his actual presidency would be reigned in are dropping like flies. Yea, he will always have his hardcore base, but they are really just a fraction.
Hell, not even all pro-lifers can support him.
Real talk, when you are a Republican and you are only +5 or so in fucking Kansas, you are doing it wrong.
Hillary will still have to play the game like its neck and neck, but Teflon Don is dead and buried. At this point, the Democrats, and even some Republicans want him to not only lose, but lose bad enough that Trump takes the Tea Party down with him.
gutter_trash
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the Trump surrogates just spin onto "whataboutism" and change the subject
ElRenoRaven
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Wow. Been playing No Man's Sky all day and just saw this thread. That's blatantly implying someone should kill her. There is no other way you can remotely interpret that.
A Link to the Past
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There is precedence though for comments or implications that tie into violence against political figures to lead to violence though, so at the very least the Secret Service should be punching Trump straight in his asshole for making their job harder and more stressful.
Yes, we remember. That was stupid; no one's arguing that. Clinton's was a stupid comment, but Trump was very obviously joking about armed revolt/assassinations, and everybody in the room knew it. Got any sort of excuse for Trump?
brochiller
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Yeah when one side is clearly dangerous objectivity should be out aside.
Loved the shut down though. Sometimes CNN delivers.
You can just see the hatred in his eyes and expression, I bet that was the worst night of his life (in his little mind).
Seth Myers did even more damage.
Tranqueris
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I've seen a couple news shows bring it up.
One is a crass attempt to make the case to people that anything might happen so they shouldn't count her out until the race is over.
The other is a statement that in 1996 would have been an disgusting joke, but in 2016 is essentially a veiled death threat.
I think news people in general are just tired of Trump surrogates pretending that something didn't happen or just wasting everyone's time by spitting out Hillary talking points.
Randolph Freelander
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Joe Scarborough: The GOP must dump Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/08/09/the-gop-must-dump-trump/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/08/09/the-gop-must-dump-trump/
EatinOlives
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Trump such a fucking mess that Don Lemon is actually laying truth.
The world is topsy turvy!
Seems like everyone understood he wanted someone to stop Hilary with the use of the 2nd amendment and there is clear "boooo-ing" everywhere.
Isn't this as close to a death threat you can come without saying "shoot her"?
Guys a national security problem who keeps pushing violence as a tool.
Isn't this as close to a death threat you can come without saying "shoot her"?
Guys a national security problem who keeps pushing violence as a tool.
Judge Magister Zexion
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I'm disgusted that all my friends actually think that he is not saying to shoot Hillary. they genuinely believe that he's saying to rebel against Hillary if she gets elected "Under the 2nd Amendment"
How do i deal with someone who genuinely believes that Hillary is Evil and trump will fix america?
How do i deal with someone who genuinely believes that Hillary is Evil and trump will fix america?
Very well written piece I think, by Scarborough. Not a big fan of him but the damage is done for certain.
Its up to interpretation, what Hilary suggested in 2008 was that she should not leave the race because Kennedy was assassinated, Trump suggested that the people who support the 2nd amendment should do something about it.
How would you have interpreted Hillary's comments if it was Donald Trump saying it?
Here is the video of what exactly she said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw98fouyfBg
Don yanked that wig right off, yes~!
For real.
Aaron, I believe the correct phrasing is "YAAAAAASSSSS"
Leona Lewis
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You can't. I'm literally in the same boat with a life long friend and it's impossible for him to change his mind. I highly doubt that anything Trump could say or do would change his mind.
A Link to the Past
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The best case scenario is that Trump is so unintelligent that he is accidentally saying things that are spurring dangerous people to violence. Clinton made a very tawdry joke, but a joke about a man assassinated decades ago.
And she came out hours later and apologized for the remark. Trump doubled down and continued to lie about what he meant.
That he should stop being such a stupid idiot, which is what I thought of Clinton (I didn't have a high opinion of Clinton in '08, being solidly on the Obama bandwagon). I did not think she was calling for Obama to be assassinated, which is a clear difference.
One is saying a presidential candidate could be assassinated.
One is saying a presidential candidate should be assassinated.
The first is a stupid comment, the second is a crime.
Let's paraphrase both comments, shall we:
Clinton: "I'm staying in because in the past, people have won the primary after being behind because a candidate was assassinated. The same thing could happen to Obama, and I'm staying in so the party has a visible candidate should that happen."
Trump: "I don't like Clinton. If elected, she will take away your 2nd amendment rights, and there's nothing you can do about it. Maybe someone with a gun could start something, I don't know..."
See the difference?
metalslimer
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OK if you want to continue this false equivalency Clinton got raked over the coals for that comment so people will keep on doing it to Trump no matter how much you want to change the conversation
Explain how it was a joke.
"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?" Clinton said. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."
Exactly.
Hillary was criticized IMMEDIATELY by the right AND left and immediately apologized for speaking so sloppily.
Trump, as per, doubles down.
A Link to the Past
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Not a joke, but I'm not sure I get the comparison between promoting violence against your competition and this - especially when only one of these people have apologized for what they said.
That's the one. I didn't think Don had it in him.
I'm starting to worry that people who try and explain this away as "it was not a suggestion to execute Hillary" are actually just lying. Maybe they agree with Trump and think Hillary should be executed but they're just lying because they know inciting violence is a crime, but they want him to get away with inciting violence anyway
Chie Satonaka
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Why are people even entertaining "but Hillary in 2008 tho" in this thread right now?
I rewatch this video every year and it just keeps getting better.
Trump said for the 2nd amendment supporters to do something about it, well what can they do about it?
Well they can all vote against her and prevent her from putting in a liberal supreme court justice in. Based on what he said you cannot conclude that Trump suggested an assassination.
They can vote against her once she's elected and appointing judges? Trump's statement was what happens after Hillary wins: nothing we can do about it, except those 2nd amendment people can kill her.
Stumpokapow
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Please start a thread about this subject rather than derailing this one.
Yeah. Maybe he just suggested that Hillary should be kept hostage at gunpoint.
No one dies, guys!
Leona Lewis
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He said there's nothing they can do after she's appointed them, and then stopped short to add the 2nd Amendment people byte. What magical post-election voting ability do 2nd Amendment people have that the rest of Trump's supporters don't?
Seems the spin's done its job, then. Muddy the waters just enough~
Whataboutism is the fucking worst. So fucking obvious why it's being done
Trump is a shit tier human being. He highly implied Hillary should be dealt with by violent means. Fuck him. That's all I'll say on the matter (Hillary, 2008 Kennedy comments).
walking fiend
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Gimme a break: he is facing his supporters and says: you folks here can't do anything about it... But 2nd amendment folks can.
What is that only 2nd amendment folks can do but not the rest of his folks?
He was clearly talking about after the election. Hell, he was clearly talking about someone with a gun starting some shit, just look at the audiences reaction. The "gun owners could vote against Clinton" is some BS they said to cover their tracks.
Poltergust
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The context of what Trump said is what to do when she is appointing Supreme Court justices, i.e., after she gets elected. What does voting have to do with that?
Ohhhh boy, the next couple of weeks are going to be very interesting. This is a level of public outrage that will be hard to ignore.
Randolph Freelander
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I think in Article XII, it says their votes count twice.
His words imply the statement is about after she appoints them; Trump makes so little sense all the time though it's fairly easy for him to claim that's not what he meant.
It's not like he explicitly said after it's just what he statement logically means.
walking fiend
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I do not think I could withstand Obama just clowning me like that. Almost makes me feel sorry for Trump. Almost.
crackhead_bob
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Is it Trump's deeply held beliefs, or is he just dog whistling to his neanderthal base? I'm not trolling, but I remember his remark back in March about how he believes that women who get abortions should be punished. I personally don't think he has a personal interest in the issue other than to inflame his base. And the reason why I make this comparison is because he was able to dispel that controversy by claiming that his words were being taken out of context. To his way of thinking, he could claim plausible deniability by virtue of him not actually wanting Hillary to be assassinated, all the while stoking his base. It's enough nuance that he can slither out of this one as well.
Of course; but they'll support him for the same reason they ignore his endless lying. They are a bunch of lying and intellectually dishonest assholes. He is their king; the king of being a lying intellectually dishonest asshole.
I hope and believe the statement will help sway even more "on the fence" types but I'm not sure claiming "he said after" is actually effective against on the fence types. Not trying to mince words; just suggesting that people rationalize things by mincing words. There's no reason to put words in his mouth; let him speak for himself.
When you aim a base of 2nd ammendment gun nuts at a politicians and puts her in their crosshairs, you in you need to be explicit on exactly what you mean.
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