Donald Trump suggests 2nd Amendment Folks do something about Hillary

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There is quite a strong case to be made that those comments are inciting violence and that Trump was calling on his supporters to assassinate Clinton. But honestly, considering how hard Trump is tanking in the polls, I hope nobody tries to put him on trial for this. Just let his poll numbers keep dropping and the Dems can win in a landslide come November - but if some other Republican candidate has the chance to replace him then there's a significant chance that that candidate could actually win in November. Letting Trump destroy the GOP seems like the best option right now
 
The 2nd amendment is there as a means for the people to rise up against a tyrannical government.

Now, had he said "gun owners" I would assume he meant assassination, but since he said 2nd amendment I am going to assume Trump meant violently revolting against a Hillary lead government.

Not that Hillary would be a tyrannical leader or part of a tyrannical government but given his wording I don't think assassination was his aim.
He has no specific aim. He shotgun blasts words and hope they hit the right mark.
 
The 2nd amendment is there as a means for the people to rise up against a tyrannical government.

Now, had he said "gun owners" I would assume he meant assassination, but since he said 2nd amendment I am going to assume Trump meant violently revolting against a Hillary lead government.

Not that Hillary would be a tyrannical leader or part of a tyrannical government but given his wording I don't think assassination was his aim.


Lol why do people think the second amendment intent is to counter tyrannical government?

It was created to retrieve runaway slaves and people who don't pay taxes, aka to protect the government.

This whole private gun ownership of guns is a huge misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment that I hope one day gets corrected.
 
but if some other Republican candidate has the chance to replace him then there's a significant chance that that candidate could actually win in November.

Sorry but that's simply not true.

If another candidate replaced Trump many of his supporters will refuse to back the new candidate.

There's also the chance Trump could go third party if the GOP wise up and give him the boot.

But there's the simple fact that replacing Trump shows that the Republicans are a mess and every independant on the fence voter will be very hard pressed to want to vote that party come November.

Trump is their only chance.
 
Trump’s Ambiguous Wink Wink to ‘Second Amendment People’ http://nyti.ms/2aTNn3N
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated.

His right-wing opponents just kept delegitimizing him as a “traitor” and “a Nazi” for wanting to make peace with the Palestinians and give back part of the Land of Israel. Of course, all is fair in politics, right? And they had God on their side, right? They weren’t actually telling anyone to assassinate Rabin. That would be horrible.

But there are always people down the line who don’t hear the caveats. They just hear the big message: The man is illegitimate, the man is a threat to the nation, the man is the equivalent of a Nazi war criminal. Well, you know what we do with people like that, don’t you? We kill them.

And that’s what the Jewish extremist Yigal Amir did to Rabin. Why not? He thought he had permission from a whole segment of Israel’s political class.

Even if one was to be incredibly "generous" and say his intent was "only" to encourage violent uprising... That isn't what some crazy person is going to hear.
 
It's so infuriating.

Moments after Trump says the comment, his campaign issues a statement calling his comment an attemp to rally and unite the 2A people = A serious comment

Shortly after SOME of his surrogates start spinning the comment into being a joke or just another example of Trump word-salad = A not serious comment

Why is the MSM not effortlessly ripping this flimsy contradictory shit apart ????!!??
 
There is quite a strong case to be made that those comments are inciting violence and that Trump was calling on his supporters to assassinate Clinton. But honestly, considering how hard Trump is tanking in the polls, I hope nobody tries to put him on trial for this. Just let his poll numbers keep dropping and the Dems can win in a landslide come November - but if some other Republican candidate has the chance to replace him then there's a significant chance that that candidate could actually win in November. Letting Trump destroy the GOP seems like the best option right now

If the GOP replaced Trump it would effectively be conceding the White House. There is no chance they could replace the democratically elected nominee of their party and expect them to get as much support. It might help them down ticket, by getting Trump off the ballot, but it would end the GOP chance at the presidency this year.
 
It's so infuriating.

Moments after Trump says the comment, his campaign issues a statement calling his comment an attemp to rally and unite the 2A people = A serious comment

Shortly after SOME of his surrogates start spinning the comment into being a joke or just another example of Trump word-salad = A not serious comment

Why is the MSM not effortlessly ripping this flimsy contradictory shit apart ????!!??

Because, in the mainstream medias mind, as long as they put two people on a panel who were on opposite sides of an issue then they were unbias and did their job. They do not see themselves as seekers of the truth.
 
Can someone explain why the Republicans would lose the house or the senate, I'm confused. If they turned away from Trump, do they lose seats if people vote for Hilary this election or is that a different election?

How does Obama not have control of these if he won the presidential race before. How has he held no power for so long ?
 
There is quite a strong case to be made that those comments are inciting violence and that Trump was calling on his supporters to assassinate Clinton. But honestly, considering how hard Trump is tanking in the polls, I hope nobody tries to put him on trial for this. Just let his poll numbers keep dropping and the Dems can win in a landslide come November - but if some other Republican candidate has the chance to replace him then there's a significant chance that that candidate could actually win in November. Letting Trump destroy the GOP seems like the best option right now

There is absolutely zero chance of a republican win with a new candidate due to ballot filing deadlines.

For example, today is the last day to file for Ohio. A bunch of red states are already passed their deadline. NC is already passed.
 
Can someone explain why the Republicans would lose the house or the senate, I'm confused. If they turned away from Trump, do they lose seats if people vote for Hilary this election or is that a different election?

Same vote. People generally vote straight R or straight D on ballots when voting during the general election. If the GOP turn away from Trump, that will discourage many republicans from voting at all of not casting any vote for a running Republican while they vote third party. Most of the names on the ballots don't even have a third party option (which is why voting third party for the presidency is the dumbest idea to do).
 
Same vote. People generally vote straight R or straight D on ballots when voting during the general election. If the GOP turn away from Trump, that will discourage many republicans from voting at all of not casting any vote for a running Republican while they vote third party. Most of the names on the ballots don't even have a third party option (which is why voting third party for the presidency is the dumbest idea to do).

Right. So they'll defend Trump to the end or risk the Democrats getting control. Wow, now that's funny. Maybe the Democrats will get to do something this term which Obama struggled to do because he didn't have that much control?
 
Sorry but that's simply not true.

If another candidate replaced Trump many of his supporters will refuse to back the new candidate.

There's also the chance Trump could go third party if the GOP wise up and give him the boot.

But there's the simple fact that replacing Trump shows that the Republicans are a mess and every independant on the fence voter will be very hard pressed to want to vote that party come November.

Trump is their only chance.

Yeah you're probably right. I think Clinton pretty much has this in the bag now, barring any disasters. The polling is looking really bad for Trump, so many moderate Republicans are defecting or abstaining that states like Georgia and Arizona are turning blue. If Trump were replaced with someone like Romney or Ryan tomorrow then Clinton would still probably have the election in the bag but I feel like the margins might be slightly closer - maybe they would be wider though I don't know. Trump's base would be mad if he got replaced but I feel like a lot of them would still vote for Ryan/Romney, just like most Bernie fans are going to vote Clinton even though she's not their favourite candidate

There is absolutely zero chance of a republican win with a new candidate due to ballot filing deadlines.

For example, today is the last day to file for Ohio. A bunch of red states are already passed their deadline. NC is already passed.

Ah okay I didn't realise that, interesting. So if Trump went to prison or something would the GOP still not be able to pick a new candidate because the deadlines have passed, or would they be stuck with him?
 
The man has such an inflated ego. He's dangerous.

Also gotta share one of my favorite cartoons to come from this election cycle

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Quando dio, ole castigarci ci manda, quello che desideriamo
 
He said "If she wins, she gets to choose the supreme court justi- .Nothing you can do about it. Well, aside from the 2nd amendment people, they might be able to do something about it".

Do people who like the 2nd amendment get more voting power than other people?

Also, do they possess some sort of extra power that allows them to prevent a sitting president from nominating judges?
 
Shouldnt the 2nd Amendment people (NRA etc. ) condemn trump for implying they would resort to violence in case clinton gets elected?

Why? Behind closed doors, a lot of them agree with him. The only difference between them and Trump is they know what to say and what not to say.
 
The idea he was talking about voting is ridiculous.

He said that's the only thing you could do once she becomes president. As in after the vote.

The man is disgusting.
 
There is quite a strong case to be made that those comments are inciting violence and that Trump was calling on his supporters to assassinate Clinton. But honestly, considering how hard Trump is tanking in the polls, I hope nobody tries to put him on trial for this.
Why not? It would only be consistent with modern Republican ideals for them to put Trump on trial, considering how many times they've done the same to Hillary for much less.

SporeCrawler said:
Shouldnt the 2nd Amendment people (NRA etc. ) condemn trump for implying they would resort to violence in case clinton gets elected?
You'd think, right?
 
Dan Rather (from facehole)

No trying-to-be objective and fair journalist, no citizen who cares about the country and its future can ignore what Donald Trump said today. When he suggested that "The Second Amendment People" can stop Hillary Clinton he crossed a line with dangerous potential. By any objective analysis, this is a new low and unprecedented in the history of American presidential politics. This is no longer about policy, civility, decency or even temperament. This is a direct threat of violence against a political rival. It is not just against the norms of American politics, it raises a serious question of whether it is against the law. If any other citizen had said this about a Presidential candidate, would the Secret Service be investigating?

Candidate Trump will undoubtably issue an explanation; some of his surrogates are already engaged in trying to gloss it over, but once the words are out there they cannot be taken back. That is what inciting violence means.

To anyone who still pretends this is a normal election of Republican against Democrat, history is watching. And I suspect its verdict will be harsh. Many have tried to do a side-shuffle and issue statements saying they strongly disagree with his rhetoric but still support the candidate. That is becoming woefully insufficient. The rhetoric is the candidate.

This cannot be treated as just another outrageous moment in the campaign. We will see whether major newscasts explain how grave and unprecedented this is and whether the headlines in tomorrow's newspapers do it justice. We will soon know whether anyone who has publicly supported Trump explains how they can continue to do.

We are a democratic republic governed by the rule of law. We are an honest, fair and decent people. In trying to come to terms with today's discouraging development the best I can do is to summon our greatest political poet Abraham Lincoln for perspective:

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Lincoln used these stirring words to end his First Inaugural Address. It was the eve of the Civil War and sadly his call for sanity, cohesion and peace was met with horrific violence that almost left our precious Union asunder. We cannot let that happen again.

/slowclap
 
This whole situation makes me sick. Sick that he would say it, sick that people would defend it, sick that some people might try to carry it out. I've gotten almost zero enjoyment out of this election cycle. The whole thing is just sad.
 
Well, that's kinda happening right now, so yeah.

It's so not what he meant though.

It's only happening right now because they are just straight up not doing their jobs. They are actively not doing their duty and are justifying it under the guise of: "the American people need to decide it because it's an election year". If/When Hillary wins, what excuse will they come up with next? Or will they try to spend her whole presidency impeaching her and do nothing else? What the Republicans are doing is, afaik, entirely unprecedented.

This whole situation makes me sick. Sick that he would say it, sick that people would defend it, sick that some people might try to carry it out. I've gotten almost zero enjoyment out of this election cycle. The whole thing is just sad.

Yugely sad.

But seriously, Republicans only continue to terrify me.
 
It's crazy that so many Trump supporters are fine with this and assume that all the criticism is coming from "Hillary shills". Everyone outside America is questioning what the hell is going on with this election.

Is The Donald Reddit page for real? That they want Hillary killed and the 2 amendment is going to be axed of by her so she can be a tyrannical leader

The Donald Trump subreddit is a fucking mess. But it's sobering to realise that they ban all dissenting viewpoints (which is why you never see any) and they're all mostly teenagers who can't actually vote.
 
The Donald Trump subreddit is a fucking mess. But it's sobering to realise that they ban all dissenting viewpoints (which is why you never see any) and they're all mostly teenagers who can't actually vote.
They will in a few years though

I'm not exaggerating when I say this is what radicalization looks like
 
I like how all his supporters are saying Liberals are close minded becayse his comments are open to interpretation obviously he doesn't mean go out and shoot her.

But when people talk about the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms (when it was written at a time where society was completely different than it is today) Conservatives are like fuck off it says I can be strapped at all time and don't you try to think any different.


What a disaster.
 
Someone I know who works in the same building as Clinton's campaign HQ in NY said they stepped up security in the building. They're taking it seriously.
 
Is it too late for republicans? I mean I know it's probably unprecedented but can't they just say fuck it we nominate ____ instead? This dude is fucking nuts and they have to know he's not winning right? I feel like they are just throwing away the election(good for me because I'm a democrat).
 
In any case, America is headed for Civil War.
Modern society and democracy are based on the idea that even if you oppose him, your political adversary is legitimate.

Trump and the Tea Party destroyed that idea.
Whoever wins in November, it will be impossible for the other half to accept the "rule" of the winner. During the last decades, it's the very principle of bipartisanship that has been destroyed.

Or as a great Republican said : " A house divided cannot stand"

Not many people seem to see things like this but i agree with you. For those that are unconvinced here a snippet from the Public Policy Polling press release from yesterday:

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People better start to get hip to whats coming or else they are going to get blindsided in a bad way.
 
They will in a few years though

I'm not exaggerating when I say this is what radicalization looks like

Between 24 and Call of Duty I assumed there'd be a woman president by 2024 or so.

This has been sooner, and it's sad how much some shitty parts of the country are fighting against using the term "Madam President".
 
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