if that's the case then GTA V and Destiny seem like likely candidates
and hopefully Witcher 3
on the 1st party side UC4 is a lock and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe something like Ratchet & Clank
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if that's the case then GTA V and Destiny seem like likely candidates
on the 1st party side UC4 is a lock and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe something like Ratchet & Clank
serversurfer
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It'll obviously be on a case by case basis, but I imagine Sony will be inclined to allow anything that doesn't alter gameplay significantly. I don't see why "better" destruction would be considered Neo-specific. VR that doesn't work on PS4 would be, or skipping destruction entirely on PS4.
Performance improvements in multiplayer are expressly disallowed.Neo Destiny bundle.1080p/60
If patching in Neo support is as simple as saying, "Yes, please," to the extra horsepower, I imagine a lot of games would get that, especially if they felt their sales may have been affected by performance concerns initially.
Omnistalgic
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Meh..two completely difference markets...iPhone is always big but it's still a yearly thing. A new PS4 will still get tons of coverage right alongside it.
I don't think it's a mistake at all.
I think W3 was more limited by the CPU, may be very little gains.
serversurfer
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Oh, was it? I was just thinking about that ARM win that AMD mentioned.
farmerboy
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I would be hoping anything 1st party or Sony published should get a patch.
StrongBlackVine
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I must have missed this rule. Let's see the citation please. Because that is bullshit if we can't get 1080p/60fps on Battlefield 1 MP because the base PS4 is stuck at 900p with a framerate all over the place. I think you are wrong about this or Sony is full of shit only allowing only half of a game(and the most important part) to be improved performance wise.
I wonder where that leaves Bloodborne.
That's 1st-party, right? There's probably a decent chance it will get patched.
Not sure. FROM isn't exactly an engine powerhouse (frame-pacing, loading) and they pick their battles carefully.
Touché.
FrozenCell
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I share that feel
stranger79
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No, i think Battlefield will be fine, because it also targets 60fps on PS4.
Destiny on the others hand runs at thirty, so they don't allow sixty for PSNeo.
So you would get a massive gameplay improvement playing against regular PS4 and that's what Sony want to avoid
StrongBlackVine
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I'm fine with not allowing 30 vs 60. But not allowing the Neo hold a steadier framerate when it has the same target renders the upgrade useless.
serversurfer
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Well, I guess I have no idea where I came up with that. Maybe I read it here on GAF, or just assumed that would be the case because there'd be no player segregation. Seems sorta unfair to force PS4 users to compete against users with more snappy machines without at least letting them opt out.
Anyway, sorry for the confusion. m(__)m
Really? Why would anyone even buy it like that? =/
Beats me. I sorta assumed games like that would at least have stable performance already, if not native resolution as well. Regardless, hoping for Neo to fix broken PS4 games seems like a terrible precedent
Toadthemushroom
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Yup. And if Apple really is only doing one event this year, then there's going to be product announcements/launches for the Apple Watch 2, new iPads (less interesting nowadays but will probably get headlines) and an all-new MacBook Pro design since 2008. And since the events are in close proximity to each other (they'll probably overlap with Apple starting earlier), the same journalists can't cover the same events simultaneously.
jeff_rigby
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PS4 2013 (Labeled UHD capable in efficientgaming.eu but may not be, will find out with Firmware 4.0)
PS4 2015 (upgraded Southbridge) (labeled UHD Capable in efficientgaming.eu but but may not be, will find out with firmware 4.0)
PS4 2016 NEO (confirmed UHD Capable)
PS4 2016 "Slim" (rumor but could use the same southbridge NEO uses )
PS4 2019 10nm Navi (in efficientgaming.eu as 2019 navigation power cap drop)
Where are the various PS4's on the following roadmap? True Audio Xtensa DSP HiFi can I think support 2017-2022 Object based audio and is in all 2013 and later game consoles and AMD GCN 1.2 (2014) and later dGPUs as well as Kaveri and Carrizo. Main use now is for Virtual Reality (Positional audio).
2013 XB1 has HDMI 1.4a with HEVC 10 bit for HD media which straddles the 2012-2014 lines. (Labeled UHD capable and HD capable in various letters.... confusion! Chart shows it was possible to support UHD in 2013 (framerate and color depth are a function of a HEVC codec without hardware acceleration having difficulty (more expensive) supporting higher bandwidth UHD media) but now confirmed HD capable only by Albert Penello of Microsoft)
2016 XB1 Slim (confirmed UHD Capable)
2017 XB1 Scorpio
PS4 2015 (upgraded Southbridge) (labeled UHD Capable in efficientgaming.eu but but may not be, will find out with firmware 4.0)
PS4 2016 NEO (confirmed UHD Capable)
PS4 2016 "Slim" (rumor but could use the same southbridge NEO uses )
PS4 2019 10nm Navi (in efficientgaming.eu as 2019 navigation power cap drop)
Where are the various PS4's on the following roadmap? True Audio Xtensa DSP HiFi can I think support 2017-2022 Object based audio and is in all 2013 and later game consoles and AMD GCN 1.2 (2014) and later dGPUs as well as Kaveri and Carrizo. Main use now is for Virtual Reality (Positional audio).
2013 XB1 has HDMI 1.4a with HEVC 10 bit for HD media which straddles the 2012-2014 lines. (Labeled UHD capable and HD capable in various letters.... confusion! Chart shows it was possible to support UHD in 2013 (framerate and color depth are a function of a HEVC codec without hardware acceleration having difficulty (more expensive) supporting higher bandwidth UHD media) but now confirmed HD capable only by Albert Penello of Microsoft)
2016 XB1 Slim (confirmed UHD Capable)
2017 XB1 Scorpio
gundamkyoukai
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Things can get really crazy in BF but it should be stable .
You will always get frame drops in certain MP games unless you have a good overhead .
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Right now I'm betting your wall at home is full of pictures connected by strings to cut-out newspaper articles.
jeff_rigby
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Would you guess that the 2016 PS4 is going to support up to 2019 UHD TV features when a NEW PS4 ships that may support 2020 and later features (8k) but a 2013 PS4 can't support 2013 to 2016 features? Remember Sony has said that 4K support is how they are going to pull themselves out of the hole they were in.
The new Sony FCC Radio posting for 5 Ghz WiFi with schemes to support higher bandwidth and more robust WiFi is needed for 4K. That this is not in the 2013 or 2014 PS4 may indicate they are not UHD capable. There is a second and third generation coming for WiFi likely in time for 8K in 2020.
Are you seriously serious? I mean, are you trying everything to argue for your hypothesis?
Perhaps Sony will just put a standard WiFi chip in the box because the current one is so crappy that it is barely usable and has *nothing* to do what this thread is about?
jeff_rigby
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I am providing information that does not support my hypothesis. " That this is not in the 2013 or 2014 PS4 may indicate they are not UHD capable."
We had this discussion on 5 Ghz before, 5Ghz by it'self is less reliable in many cases because attenuation in walls is greater the higher the frequency. It's only advantage was less congestion in Apartment buildings and Condos. This changes with the new protocols 802.11ac-20 -40 -80 which have the data rates and robustness for 4K.
serious question?
its funny that you describe the PS4's BD drive as a chainsaw, when its actually the quietest of the 3 next gen consoles during bluray playback...
a framerate that is equal or greater is one of the requirements for Neo games...i dont we will see many 30 vs 60 situations...but i definitely expect much more stable framerates on Neo...IMO the very first thing devs should do with "Neo mode" is 1080p and a ROCK SOLID framerate...whatever the number they decide to go with 30 or 60 i dont particularly care...but make it rock solid
But this is only a side-effect which means in general Wifi improves over time to allow more bandwidth. How "robustness" has anything to do with the actual bandwidth needed for 4k is also beyond me. 4k is only an application for network, not the main driver in any case.
PS4 2013 (Labeled UHD capable in efficientgaming.eu but may not be, will find out with Firmware 4.0)
PS4 2015 (upgraded Southbridge) (labeled UHD Capable in efficientgaming.eu but but may not be, will find out with firmware 4.0)
PS4 2016 NEO (confirmed UHD Capable)
PS4 2016 "Slim" (rumor but could use the same southbridge NEO uses )
PS4 2019 10nm Navi (in efficientgaming.eu as 2019 navigation power cap drop)
Where are the various PS4's on the following roadmap? True Audio Xtensa DSP HiFi can I think support 2017-2022 Object based audio and is in all 2013 and later game consoles and AMD GCN 1.2 (2014) and later dGPUs as well as Kaveri and Carrizo. Main use now is for Virtual Reality (Positional audio).
2013 XB1 has HDMI 1.4a with HEVC 10 bit for HD media which straddles the 2012-2014 lines. (Labeled UHD capable and HD capable in various letters.... confusion! Chart shows it was possible to support UHD in 2013 (framerate and color depth are a function of a HEVC codec without hardware acceleration having difficulty (more expensive) supporting higher bandwidth UHD media) but now confirmed HD capable only by Albert Penello of Microsoft)
2016 XB1 Slim (confirmed UHD Capable)
2017 XB1 Scorpio
Oh god....more derailment...
OdysseusVA
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Are you seriously bringing your garbage into this thread?
Heckler456
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What are you getting out of this?
serversurfer
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Yes. I don't play that stuff at all, but I assumed that like fighting and racing games, performance would be the top design priority in a shooter. I mean, if you guys are happy to buy it the way it is, I suppose that's why it's the way it is, but I got the impression that Vine wasn't particularly happy with it. /shrug
Thanks for the insights Jeff, it's appreciated. Wouldn't be able to dig that stuff out by myself.
Interesting. So with that being the case, does that mean games that run unlocked won't see any performance boost without a patch?
SolidSnakex
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If the FFXV delay rumor turns out to be true, then it suddenly looks like a very good candidate for a Neo tech showcase. Especially with its visual flaws on the PS4 being known. It'd be a great title to show off just how big of a difference the Neo can make.
Magic Mushroom
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I'd love a 4K Matterfall demo. Housemarque games just pop.
Yes, exactly. If the base mode on the Neo locks the GPU at 800Mhz and CPU at 1.6Ghz aka runs at PS4 spec (like the document is suggesting) we won't see performance increases from any games that aren't patched. Really hope Sony has changed their mind regarding this already, especially due to the positive reception of the slight performance increases that have resulted from the XB1S upclock. This is something that can be done late, it can even be implemented via a system update.
ArkhamFantasy
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No, Neo enters base mode where the game thinks its a normal PS4 and will run exactly like a normal PS4 unless developers make a Neo patch for it.
Well, just putting a cap on the speed of the GPU won't be enough. PS4 has 18CU GPU, while Neo has ~36CU GPU. Even at 800mhz, Neo GPU would be much faster.
I didn't mention the 18 extra compute units because that component is something that almost definitely regular ps4 games won't be able to take advantage of without a patch (as they've been designed to run with an 18CU GPU), the realistic scenario was ps4 games being able to use the extra power gained from mainly the upclocks for the GPU and CPU (as those 18CUs and 8 CPU cores are all still able to provide more power than the ps4).
I don't think that's how it works but we will have to wait and see I guess.
With locked framerates I believe that will be the case.
Arun1910
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I think so, I thought they were already sent out hence the leaks... wouldn't it be kinda late to just start sending them out in August if the Neo releases November/December? That's assuming the architecture is different, I don't know a lot about that stuff.
THE:MILKMAN
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Not really old but probably a article inspired by KennyLinder's post the other day: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212889999&postcount=790
Yeah, makes sense.
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