NYT: Republicans close to Trump say he's "exhausted, frustrated and bewildered"

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giga

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/14/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-gop.html

Advisers who once hoped a Pygmalion-like transformation would refashion a crudely effective political showman into a plausible American president now increasingly concede that Mr. Trump may be beyond coaching. He has ignored their pleas and counsel as his poll numbers have dropped, boasting to friends about the size of his crowds and maintaining that he can read surveys better than the professionals.

In private, Mr. Trump’s mood is often sullen and erratic, his associates say. He veers from barking at members of his staff to grumbling about how he was better off following his own instincts during the primaries and suggesting he should not have heeded their calls for change.

He broods about his souring relationship with the news media, calling Mr. Manafort several times a day to talk about specific stories. Occasionally, Mr. Trump blows off steam in bursts of boyish exuberance: At the end of a fund-raiser on Long Island last week, he playfully buzzed the crowd twice with his helicopter.

But in interviews with more than 20 Republicans who are close to Mr. Trump or in communication with his campaign, many of whom insisted on anonymity to avoid clashing with him, they described their nominee as exhausted, frustrated and still bewildered by fine points of the political process and why his incendiary approach seems to be sputtering.

He is routinely preoccupied with perceived slights, for example raging to aides after Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, in his re-election announcement, said he would stand up to the next president regardless of party. In a visit to Capitol Hill in early July, Mr. Trump bickered with two Republican senators who had not endorsed him; he needled Representative Peter T. King of New York for having taken donations from him over the years only to criticize him on television now.
Lots more at link, including descriptions of a failed intervention and bewilderment from the GOP establishment.
 
This leads a lot into my belief that Trump really wants to win the election despite the "Trump never wanted to Win" narrative that's been floating around the last month or so. But he clearly doesn't have the ability and understanding to run a national campaign. I'd even go as far as to say that his win in the primaries had a lot of factors to it that didn't even include Trump himself in his actual winning. He won besides himself, not because of himself.
 
Getting "Hitler during the downfall of Berlin" vibes...

I understand the comparison, but really think the constant calling up of Hitler, or any part of regime, is too flawed to hold any weight to what's going on now with Trump. Nothing that's happening now is comparable to Hitler outside the use of racial diversion in Trump's campaign, but I would even argue that is not directly comparable.
 

Sean C

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After some initial worry, the general election is playing out like Democrats hoped it would: Trump's bullshit doesn't play outside of the fever swamp of the GOP primaries.
 

Atolm

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After Trump's failure at the election someone will have to make the equivalent movie to that German one about Hitler's final days. I'd go to watch it.

Edit: Damn it, beaten XD.
 

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That explains his entrance at rnc:

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Kusagari

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I have a feeling if Trump blames the loss on anything besides rigging and fraud it will be traced back to the Pence pick and trying for "unity."
 
Hang in there Trump. Us Democrats need you to stay in, IMO.

We don't. If Trump drops out, the election is totally lost. It's looking lost now, sure, but there's not really a realistic scenario where someone swoops in now to overtake Hilary. That candidate would have no marketing, no presence, and no real campaign behind them, and totally be overshadowed by the fact that Trump dropped out or was removed by the party. It'd probably be a bigger blowout than what it's turning out to be.
 

Derwind

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He has ignored their pleas and counsel as his poll numbers have dropped, boasting to friends about the size of his crowds and maintaining that he can read surveys better than the professionals.

Embarrased by how small your polling numbers are, so you show off how big your crowds are.

Tsk tsk. Are we compensating for something Mr. Trump?
 
I have a feeling if Trump blames the loss on anything besides rigging and fraud it will be traced back to the Pence pick and trying for "unity."

The real ironic thing is that Trump hasn't changed...like, at all, from how he was in the primaries. The fact that he thinks one of the things holding him back is the fact he changed too much is crazy. If it were anyone but Trump, that statement would raise a big red flag to me about how legit the source is, but since it is Trump, I can totally believe it.
 

steveovig

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We don't. If Trump drops out, the election is totally lost. It's looking lost now, sure, but there's not really a realistic scenario where someone swoops in now to overtake Hilary. That candidate would have no marketing, no presence, and no real campaign behind them, and totally be overshadowed by the fact that Trump dropped out or was removed by the party. It'd probably be a bigger blowout than what it's turning out to be.

I disagree but it's based on timing. If he dropped in the next couple weeks, they might have a shot, especially if more leaks end up coming out. If he drops out as fall begins, then it probably is over for them.
 

HK-47

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We don't. If Trump drops out, the election is totally lost. It's looking lost now, sure, but there's not really a realistic scenario where someone swoops in now to overtake Hilary. That candidate would have no marketing, no presence, and no real campaign behind them, and totally be overshadowed by the fact that Trump dropped out or was removed by the party. It'd probably be a bigger blowout than what it's turning out to be.

He needs to stay in to drag down the congressional republicans.
 
We don't. If Trump drops out, the election is totally lost. It's looking lost now, sure, but there's not really a realistic scenario where someone swoops in now to overtake Hilary. That candidate would have no marketing, no presence, and no real campaign behind them, and totally be overshadowed by the fact that Trump dropped out or was removed by the party. It'd probably be a bigger blowout than what it's turning out to be.
Yup.

Trump won the GOP primary fair and square. He is the candidate chosen by the majority of Republican voters. You can't just sub in a "moderate" establishment candidate and expect huge swaths of the GOP base to not be pissed.

Republicans - Take the L now, stop being dicks in Congress and come back in 2020 as a reinvigorated party with ideas that appeal to the middle. If your base will only turn out for you if they're sure that you're the most sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic party of them all then you can not win.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
If you can't run a competent campaign and deal with the stress of the election, you're not cut out for the job. He just doesn't have the knowledge, skills, or the temperament to be President. Sorry bout it.

At what point is the GOP going to wake up? They can't do this crazy train bullshit in 2020 against an incumbent. But I'm actually worried that "normal" candidates might not be able to survive the primary process after we got a glimpse of The Trump Show. I could see another person like him do it again and trample over sensible picks.
 

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Yup.

Trump won the GOP primary fair and square. He is the candidate chosen by the majority of Republican voters. You can't just sub in a "moderate" establishment candidate and expect huge swaths of the GOP base to not be pissed.

Republicans - Take the L now, stop being dicks in Congress and come back in 2020 as a reinvigorated party with ideas that appeal to the middle. If your base will only turn out for you if they're sure that you're the most sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic party of them all then you can not win.


Can they even come back? They been catering to this group for years.
 

DrForester

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Given his ego, I can't imagine he'll handle losing well, especially when it's looking more and more like a blowout.

We don't. If Trump drops out, the election is totally lost. It's looking lost now, sure, but there's not really a realistic scenario where someone swoops in now to overtake Hilary. That candidate would have no marketing, no presence, and no real campaign behind them, and totally be overshadowed by the fact that Trump dropped out or was removed by the party. It'd probably be a bigger blowout than what it's turning out to be.

Hardest part about him dropping out (and I don't think his ego would allow it) is who would replace him? There is zero chance a replacement could mount a campaign this late and win. It might serve to help the GOP save their control of congress, but who on earth would basically be the sacrificial lamb to replace Trump, knowing they will lose?
 
I disagree but it's based on timing. If he dropped in the next couple weeks, they might have a shot, especially if more leaks end up coming out. If he drops out as fall begins, then it probably is over for them.

The names on the ballot are already locked in several important states. There's no going back now.
 

watershed

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This is not new. Insiders in Trump world have been telling us for years that Trump is a poor manager who can't control his emotions or follow other people's advice. He's always been this way.
 
I disagree but it's based on timing. If he dropped in the next couple weeks, they might have a shot, especially if more leaks end up coming out. If he drops out as fall begins, then it probably is over for them.

It's just not probable. There's about two and an half months left until the election. Even with the overall unpopularity that Clinton seemingly has, you can't run a successful national campaign in that amount of time. Especially if you're a candidate who wasn't even present during the primaries, and if you bring in someone from the primaries (like Cruz, for example) you bring in baggage since a lot of people will perceive as being second best. Hell, it'd probably take at least a month to restructure the entire campaign around the new GOP nominee.

I won't say it's impossible, but it would have to take an extraordinary effort and unity within the GOP to pull off, and even then I would say Trump probably has a more realistic chance of winning as of now. Because the new nominee would not only have to win over the middle, they'd also have to win over Trump's base, who probably would be disillusioned and disappointment to see a candidate who spent months telling them he was he only solution to the problem drop out.
 

aeolist

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Yup.

Trump won the GOP primary fair and square. He is the candidate chosen by the majority of Republican voters. You can't just sub in a "moderate" establishment candidate and expect huge swaths of the GOP base to not be pissed.

Republicans - Take the L now, stop being dicks in Congress and come back in 2020 as a reinvigorated party with ideas that appeal to the middle. If your base will only turn out for you if they're sure that you're the most sexist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic party of them all then you can not win.

small correction, he won 45% of the republican primary vote which is a plurality and not a majority
 
He's too stupid to run for president. None of this is at all surprising. Apparently having a reality show doesn't prepare you for the rigors of a presidential campaign. Hillary, meanwhile, has been prepping for this for 30 years. It's like watching CM Punk fight Jon Jones.
 
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