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[Sakura]

Don't know why anyone would even want multi-player since there's literally a zero percent chance that you'll ever meet anyone else to play with/against.

Not really. People are already discovering systems/planets that have already been named, and people have already met other people. And that's without trying to meet up with friends or anything.
Especially if they add base building and stuff and people are just chilling in certain systems, I don't think it is that improbable you could run into someone else.
edit:Of course I don't mean met like, actually meeting someone, because there is no MP.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Two people met up like a day after launch.

Oh wow. How many times has that actually happened though? Is that the only time? You would think that with trillion planets (or whatever the number is) that the chances of anyone meeting up with someone else is again, pretty much zero. Have those people been able to meet up again? If so, maybe they found a glitch or work around or something.

 

[NullPointer]

The thread title seems deceptive.

It's implying that paid DLC is coming, but they might do free DLC, too. What he actually said was free DLC was coming but it's possible they might do paid DLC if they can't put something out for free.

Yep.

I'm not understanding the negativity here.

 

[Cheat Code]

"We do want to add a ton of features, like we've just discussed: Freighters, bases, these type of things. But we want to do it for free. You've paid for the game, so you should get this stuff without paying even more money. So no, there will be no paid DLC, just patches."

http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331811079576/no-mans-sky-ps4-launch-day-interview

A week ago.

 

[TheSpoiler]

http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331811079576/no-mans-sky-ps4-launch-day-interview

A week ago.

I was joking!

Yep.

I'm not understanding the negativity here.

You are welcome to read my previous posts to get a feel as to why some people might not like it.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Oh wow. How many times has that actually happened though? Is that the only time? You would think that with trillion planets (or whatever the number is) that the chances of anyone meeting up with someone else is again, pretty much zero. Have those people been able to meet up again? If so, maybe they found a glitch or work around or something.

It could happen a quintillion times, doesn't matter, there isn't any multiplayer.

I was joking!

I thought it was obvious myself.

 

[NullPointer]

"Maybe in the future there’s some reason why we just couldn’t possibly afford to do a certain feature without charging for it".

I think people need to read this sentence a few more times.

 

[Cheat Code]

"Maybe in the future there’s some reason why we just couldn’t possibly afford to do a certain feature without charging for it".

I think people need to read this sentence a few more times.

I think you need to read the damn pre-release interview he did where he explicitly states "no paid DLC".

 

[Salty Rice]

Still dont get why people are mad about the multiplayer thing. Sean said its almost impossible to meet another player before the game came out.

With that in mind people shouldnt have cared about multiplayer in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Sony's not publishing the game... I don't think they'd just tell them to charge for junk for fun.

I thought Sony is publishing and marketing the game? Don't think this game even needs or should have DLC but that's just my own opinion.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

At this point I'll just wait until they finish working on the game and it is heavily discounted.

 

[ironcreed]

http://www.redbull.com/en/games/stories/1331811079576/no-mans-sky-ps4-launch-day-interview

A week ago.

Exactly. That is what many of us were going on. And it is honestly what the game needs in order to gain some goodwill and reel some of us back in. But only a week later it's:

It's a huge turn off.

 

[NullPointer]

I think you need to read the damn pre-release interview he did where he explicitly states "no paid DLC".

I did.

And with this new statement it sounds like the plan is for free updates going forward unless they want to add much larger scale updates than originally envisioned.

I mean, that makes sense anyway. He's still plainly putting free updates as the normal state of things, but opens the possibility for paid DLC if they want to do something beyond that.

The title makes it sound like its the reverse, and that he's changed their model to one focused on premium DLC.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Still dont get why people are mad about the multiplayer thing. Sean said its almost impossible to meet another player before the game came out.

With that in mind people shouldnt have cared about multiplayer in the first place.

And he was wrong on Day 1. Day 1. With him being coy and then wrong, why shouldn't people have cared?

At this point I'll just wait until they finish working on the game and it is heavily discounted.

That's what I'm waiting for too.

 

[chillybright]

A game developer AND a marketing genius??

Sean is a one man army in gaming industry.

 

[M52B28]

I dont distrust the guy. He is a genuine dude, problem is hardcore gamers get up in arms about everything and have been obsessing about the game for years, and it has created a fairly hostile environment, basically requiring someone like Sean to not say anything, but he rather just shoot the shit and not care much. Its causing blowback for them and i feel bad in a way about it, but at the same time they seem to be rolling with the punches and working on continuing forward. There is a reason the mega corps like EA and Ubi act the way they do with transparency and shit.

I'm not even a heavy gamer and I think that everything said by him is bullshit.

 

[MThanded]

The amount of vitriol coming from some people about this game is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Phreaker]

units received

Still dont get why people are mad about the multiplayer thing. Sean said its almost impossible to meet another player before the game came out.

With that in mind people shouldnt have cared about multiplayer in the first place.

Because to some, part of the game was the "what if" when going to a planet that had been discovered. What if I run into someone? What will I do? That sense of wonderment is now gone. We were told just previously that it was possible and that doesn't seem right.

I'm enjoying the game 20hrs in and plan to continue playing, but wasn't trilled to learn about that.

 

[Wallach]

I did.

And with this new statement it sounds like the plan is for free updates going forward unless they want to add much larger scale updates than originally envisioned.

I mean, that makes sense anyway. He's still plainly putting free updates as the normal state of things, but opens the possibility for paid DLC if they want to do something beyond that.

The title makes it sound like its the reverse, and that he's changed their model to one focused on premium DLC.

Pretty much. It seems like a CYA kind of comment. Nobody can tell the future, and if it comes to the point where they are in a position to make updates that are much larger than they thought they would have the scope for made possible by the size of the user base, they shouldn't rule out the possibility of pursuing them by making them paid DLC.

 

[Cheat Code]

I did.

And with this new statement it sounds like the plan is for free updates going forward unless they want to add much larger scale updates than originally envisioned.

I mean, that makes sense anyway. He's still plainly putting free updates as the normal state of things, but opens the possibility for paid DLC if they want to do something beyond that.

The title makes it sound like its the reverse, and that he's changed their model to one focused on premium DLC.

They changed their stance on DLC in under a week. This might've been fair, but Hello Games (specifically Sean) have built up such a sense of distrust, I can't even believe that focusing on free updates was ever even the plan.

 

[eyeball_kid]

The game has been datamined.
People have gotten a look at the innards.
No trace of multi.

Interesting, didn't know that, thanks. It may be that they couldn't get it done and time and pulled it from the game. Perhaps they didn't think anyone would notice because they miscalculated how probable it would be for people to meet up, and was hoping to add it back in a future update.

I wonder if anyone has used a packet sniffer to see if it sends player location data to the server.

 

[Tabarin]

Peter molonyeux 2.0

Just perfect

 

[Speely]

I have so much to say.

With the information that is available now, I don't know how anyone could defend HG's release of NMS. It's not just a case of entitled gamers, or a case of people shitting on what they don't know.

This is a clear-cut and objectively clean case of misrepresentation. It happened. If you like the game, cool.

I like it too, when I think about it as an indie game. When I think about it in regard to how Sean sold me on it, I am disgusted.

This was a more disinenguous release than Destiny's.

In fact I DARE any gaffer to post about cool things in NMS a year from now like people do with Destiny even now. (Full disclosure: I have never played Destiny since no PS4.) Say what you will about the lack of content in Destiny's release, but they managed to step up and keep players playing (I know how to read numbers.)

I will avatar bet that in a year from now, Destiny will have more players than NMS. And I was a huge NMS fanboy before release.

 

[udivision]

I thought Sony is publishing and marketing the game? Don't think this game even needs or should have DLC but that's just my own opinion.

They're marketing and distributing it... but Hello Games is still listed as the publisher.

I don't quite get it myself. I don't know how (financially) vested Sony is in the success of the game...

Publisher(s) Hello Games
Distributor(s) Sony Interactive Entertainment (PS4). iam8bit (PC)

 

[DoubleTake]

A game developer AND a marketing genius??

Sean is a one man army in gaming industry.

A true visionary. Personally, Im glad I waited on this game. Will maybe pick it up when its half off and there some free updates.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

The amount of vitriol coming from some people about this game is pretty ridiculous.

Right. I'm still trying to find the run down of this so called lie that people keep pushing outside of the MP thing which isn't really that big of a deal. What was promised that I'm missing here? Im seeing words like "Scumbag" thrown around as if he

A) Forced people to buy this game and

B) As if the game which looks exactly like the same space game we saw at E3 is actually Little Big Planet or something?

Its getting so damn nasty for no reason

 

[Ollie Pooch]

And he was wrong on Day 1. Day 1. With him being coy and then wrong, why shouldn't people have cared?

Mind boggling that people will defend him on this - it's the one thing where clear as day, he said it. He specifically said on a tv interview that other players could see you (well, your suit) but not your face. Weird.

He also acknowledged those two players meeting up with a tweet, with not a single mention since or of how they were both invisible to eachother (and their day/night cycles didnt match up).

I wonder if Sony have him shutting up about certain things. Not excusing him btw.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Interesting, didn't know that, thanks. It may be that they couldn't get it done and time and pulled it from the game. Perhaps they didn't think anyone would notice because they miscalculated how probable it would be for people to meet up, and was hoping to add it back in a future update.

I wonder if anyone has used a packet sniffer to see if it sends player location data to the server.

Yes. GAFer is data mining through No Man's Sky (PC). Have fun.

 

[chillybright]

I thought Sony is publishing and marketing the game? Don't think this game even needs or should have DLC but that's just my own opinion.

Sean himself just out-hyped NMS over most of AAA games in recent years.

You honestly don't need any marketing or PR department when you got Sean and his tweets.

 

[Speely]

Sean himself just out-hyped NMS over most of AAA games in recent years.

You honestly don't need any marketing or PR department when you got Sean and his tweets.

Cult of Personality.

 

[Tecnniqe]

This guy keeps setting expectations so high, just to tear it all down. Repeatedly.

 

[Tranqueris]

Two things.

I read the comment again and he's pretty much saying, if sometime in the future we can't afford to put something in the game, we might have to charge for it. Yes, I get that he said it would always be free, but I understand why he would say the newer comment because keeping updates free forever would be hard without money.

That being said, I can understand why people are reacting the way they are in this thread and I would say it's a sign of where Sean Murray's credibility stands at the moment.

 

[Kowashitai]

Interesting, didn't know that, thanks. It may be that they couldn't get it done and time and pulled it from the game. Perhaps they didn't think anyone would notice because they miscalculated how probable it would be for people to meet up, and was hoping to add it back in a future update.

I wonder if anyone has used a packet sniffer to see if it sends player location data to the server.

They have and if you want a tl;dr of the thread, it doesn't send location data. It only sends data for discoveries.

 

[exmachina64]

Interesting, didn't know that, thanks. It may be that they couldn't get it done and time and pulled it from the game. Perhaps they didn't think anyone would notice because they miscalculated how probable it would be for people to meet up, and was hoping to add it back in a future update.

I wonder if anyone has used a packet sniffer to see if it sends player location data to the server.

They have, it doesn't.

Edit: Beaten.

 

[RandomSeed]

This is as entertaining as watching Trump on CNN.

I think I'll just grab the game when it's about $10, with the DLC.

 

[Justified]

Interesting, didn't know that, thanks. It may be that they couldn't get it done and time and pulled it from the game. Perhaps they didn't think anyone would notice because they miscalculated how probable it would be for people to meet up, and was hoping to add it back in a future update.

I wonder if anyone has used a packet sniffer to see if it sends player location data to the server.

Doubt it, there's still stuff in there from PS3, and X360, unlikely they will remove any traces of multiplayer content if they couldnt get it done on time. Packet Sniffer was done on both platforms, No traces

 

[Oppo]

This guy keeps setting expectations so high, just to tear it all down. Repeatedly.

I really think folks did this to themselves. they act like Sony pointed some irresistible marketing ray at their wallets. if you're disappointed, ok, but move on with your life, maybe don't preorder the next game. don't wallow.

I'm slightly disappointed at some of the omissions from pre release footage - slightly - but I also saw the size of the day 1 patch and yeah, I do think they have big (and free) patch plans. I put in about 20 hours messing with it, didn't finish, but I'm happy to put it down for a bit and come back after more patches. it is like don't starve that way.

the $60 price tag is the sticking point for many but I really dislike doing value propositions with art (even commercial art) that way. I get it though. but again, could have waited.

 

[Ooccoo]

The Peter Molyneux comparison seems to grow more and more apt with each passing day.

Hello Games released a full priced Steam Early Access game, they need to own up to that.

People still buy. 100k sales in UK alone. When gamers do not give a fuck, this is what happens. Games like these would have been crucified back in the day. Now gamers are beta testers...

 

[Speely]

People still buy. 100k sales in UK alone. When gamers do not give a fuck, this is what happens. Games like these would have been crucified back in the day. Now gamers are beta testers...

Yeah it's all over the internet, good or bad. That is promo either way. Sadly a very different world now.

 

[Krappadizzle]

I really think folks did this to themselves. they act like Sony pointed some irresistible marketing ray at their wallets. if you're disappointed, ok, but move on with your life, maybe don't preorder the next game. don't wallow.

I'm slightly disappointed at some of the omissions from pre release footage - slightly - but I also saw the size of the day 1 patch and yeah, I do think they have big (and free) patch plans. I put in about 20 hours messing with it, didn't finish, but I'm happy to put it down for a bit and come back after more patches. it is like don't starve that way.

the $60 price tag is the sticking point for many but I really dislike doing value propositions with art (even commercial art) that way. I get it though. but again, could have waited.

So we are at the victim blaming stage now of the thread?

 

[enemy2k]

I don't trust shit that Sean says any more. So it isn't surprising to see him backpedaling on this.

 

[Crimsonsky]

Everything is free and independent until the money hits the desk. Then all that gets tossed out with a quickness.

 

[Speely]

So we are at the victim blaming stage now of the thread?

Victim blaming has been a thing since release. Why should this thread be any different?

 

[Oppo]

So we are at the victim blaming stage now of the thread?

we're at the caveat emptor stage. let's not get crazy with the "victim" label.

clearly the game has been way more successful than they anticipated, so of course they are considering further plans beyond the already planned for free updates.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Man this guy lol

 

[travisbickle]

This guy keeps setting expectations so high, just to tear it all down. Repeatedly.

I think I'm this case people are being deliberately obtuse.

Free updates are just updates that they can afford to make within a budget.

If an idea for an update stretches beyond that budget, they either don't do it or consider if the community will pay for it.

 

[Art Vandilay]

I don't trust shit that Sean says any more. So it isn't surprising to see him backpedaling on this.

This. It's becoming a bit ridiculous at this point.

 

[Windle Poons]

Sean just tweeted "Awesome day at Hello Games, we're going to make some people very happy with a PC and PS4 patch that's in test right now "

He's the new Molyneux isn't he?

 

[More_Badass]

I think I'm this case people are being deliberately obtuse.

Free updates are just updates that they can afford to make within a budget.

If an idea for an update stretches beyond that budget, they either don't do it or consider if the community will pay for it.

Basically.

Even Minecraft started doing paid DLCs after its wealth of free updates. It's a pretty good idea to leave the potential for paid DLC open.

I think the most messed up thing here is the almost vindictive way people are just jumping at the chance to be like, "aha, see, see, I told you so. I always knew". It's just ridiculous at this point. Do people even read the quotes?

Maybe in the future there’s some reason why we just couldn’t possibly afford to do a certain feature without charging for it.

That isnt a bait and switch. It isnt lying. It isn't even saying that there will be paid DLC.

 

[partyboy]

translation for the professionally outraged:

"if we run out of resources we can a) abandon the game b) consider charging for DLC"

people thought they'd just work for free even if the well went dry? next-gen entitlement surrounding this game