Reddit Compiles Definitive List of All NMS Missing Features/False Marketing +Sources
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neurosisxeno
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Water absolutely flows in Minecraft, and I think it also flows at different strengths/intensities because there are some currents you can walk/swim against and some currents that at best you break walking/swimming into.
Icyflamez96
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The thing that's still most annoying about this NMS discussion is people who continue to question why people were ever hyped in the first place. A lot of people who were down and up on the game pre-release were hearing the same things, it's just the simple fact that the concept of NMS appeals greatly to some, and sounds boring to others. To many of the people who thought the concept sounds boring, they can't understand how something they don't care for could appeal so greatly to others.
Different things appeal to different people, and I don't know if many realize this, but a lot of people who had sky high hype for the game based on the reasonable expectation for it are playing and thoroughly enjoying it for what it is, because the concept proved to appeal to them that greatly. No, it has nothing to do with 'Sony', because people were wildly excited for the game before that came into play.
The game at its core does play a lot like how Sean said it would, just at a lower quality level of execution that many would have liked. So it's not too far off base from how I thought the game would play, but there are elements that they clearly failed at achieving/implementing.
Different things appeal to different people, and I don't know if many realize this, but a lot of people who had sky high hype for the game based on the reasonable expectation for it are playing and thoroughly enjoying it for what it is, because the concept proved to appeal to them that greatly. No, it has nothing to do with 'Sony', because people were wildly excited for the game before that came into play.
The game at its core does play a lot like how Sean said it would, just at a lower quality level of execution that many would have liked. So it's not too far off base from how I thought the game would play, but there are elements that they clearly failed at achieving/implementing.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
You should have gone to the Olympics. This is some gold medal worthy mental gymnastics.
There is no reasonable person who calls a static body of water a river. To be a river you have to have a flow.
Sure, call anything you want a river. Don't expect me not to call you a dumbass for it though.
I'm curious, what other sandbox games like this don't have rivers with at least a visible current? I mean forget currents, but just some kind of animated flow?
Minecraft sure does.
And yet the tone of the discussion is colored with vitriol, misinformation and hyperbole. The post referenced in the OP is guilty of this as well. You're right, desiring 100% accurate pre-release marketing and explicit answers on what's in v1.0 is not difficult to understand, it's a failing worth discussing, but your take is mature. Much of the reaction is not, hence the game dev 101 crap from folks like me. I'd rather be that guy than piling on the snark and assuming the worst intentions from the people that made the game when things don't end up exactly as originally planned.
Graphics Horse
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c'est ne pas une pipe
The section on Trade, Resources and Crafting has huge impacts to the core experience. The original vision of this game was very impressive. They couldn't pull it off though.
UncleSporky
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I assume it works like most procedurally generated land with water, where areas with water are just based on a specific elevation, everything below that point is underwater no matter where it is. What looks like a river is just because you got lucky and that area has a low elevation relative to the land around it.
Probably.
For example play with this or this.
Azure Phoenix
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As someone who was waiting for a Steam sale before buying NMS, and who assumed the complaints were overreactions, after reading that whole Reddit post the evidence is fairly damning.
I assume that Hello Games simply bit off way more than they could chew and couldn't push the game back another 6-12 months, so they had to take a very hefty axe to the game. The problem is that we've seen this time and time again over the years, so I'm while I understand why it is as it is, I don't accept it as a customer - particularly if they are still using old misrepresentative footage in the marketing.
I assume that Hello Games simply bit off way more than they could chew and couldn't push the game back another 6-12 months, so they had to take a very hefty axe to the game. The problem is that we've seen this time and time again over the years, so I'm while I understand why it is as it is, I don't accept it as a customer - particularly if they are still using old misrepresentative footage in the marketing.
You shouldn't feel bad if you enjoy the game for what it is, yet, and you made it clear you do understand this (I just want to reiterate), it's important to realize why people feel bad about what the game is based on what they were told it was.
I'm still interested in playing the game and will eventually buy it, probably during the holiday sales or when the game hits the used bargain bin, but a lot of my excitement based on what I was told pre-release has dropped. I'm still interested in finding planets and the flora and fauna on them though.
I think this was a case of limited development time and overambitious ideas, but based on what was not delivered in that reddit thread. It seems hard to patch in revolving and rotating planets within a heliocentric solar systems, if planets right now are inert masses. My girlfriend was very disappointed to hear this bit when I read all these things to her.
Just to be specific, water (and it's flow) was added with version 0.0.12a, the third publically available version of the game, timestamped May 20, 2009.
(For comparison, Minecraft first became "public" May 16, 2009)
Deckard Chapel
Banned
Why wouldn't it be?
If those features were in the game at some point, the code for them still has to be in their system somewhere. Just find it, tweak it and then put it in an update patch! Or create it from scratch, if it was something merely mentioned, but never implemented and then put everything together in one, huge patch!
That way, everybody wins!
CraigerGamer
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The majority of people complaining are not the people you described.
Do you have, even the slightest understanding of the actual hate this game received from the moment it showed up on stage at E3, and the vitriol of the haters, and how that aspect of the community is basically smelling their farts right now by posting such an absurd list?
The hate is an extension of the crowd who would come into a NMS thread, pre-release, and talk about how crappy the game looked. They feel validated and now want to see the dev pay for the audacity of trying to get people interested in their work.
Shit didn't make it into the game but overall, the experience is pretty close to as advertised.
You are owed no explanation for NMS finished product. The fact that this community feels that they are owed explanations based on a developers creative freedom is wrong.
I was disappointed in NMS as an experience but its the experience the devs made, and I came to terms with this pretty quickly.
TheChewyWaffles
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VlaudTheImpaler
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As I mentioned earlier, the majority of consumers simply don't know or even care about the interworking's of the gaming industry. They shouldn't have to in order to shape their expectations before they buy a game. All most of them know is what they are shown through advertising. People have every right to be upset that the product promised wasn't the product delivered.
Then why did prominent reviewers (I believe Katuko , and Polygon were some) have to buy it from a store that broke release that on that Friday, and Murray tweet out please dont play till the Day 11 patch monday?
List is longer than expected. Sounds like some of the stuff is in, but not as grand as expected. And others were cut without reason. The rotating planets is unfortunate though he did give a (seemingly) legitimate reason for that.
Hm, its too bad. I'd like to hear their side of the story but this all is pretty damning.
I don't think murray intentionally lied or did so maliciously to deceive people. Probably just a case of "We wanted to do X Y and Z but it just wasn't working out." Thats not to say they're not in the wrong, but I don't think the guy is a monster.
Hm, its too bad. I'd like to hear their side of the story but this all is pretty damning.
I don't think murray intentionally lied or did so maliciously to deceive people. Probably just a case of "We wanted to do X Y and Z but it just wasn't working out." Thats not to say they're not in the wrong, but I don't think the guy is a monster.
Can't speak for his pic but the "river" I found is just a body of water in that it doesn't have like flowing water, but it's def a river in that it's narrow, cuts through land and leads to the ocean. The ocean on that world does in fact have ripples reminiscent of waves. Not actual waves, mind you, but that serves no purpose beyond mere aesthetics anyway, since there are no seacraft or surfboards around to test. You can see the ripples from above and underwater and they look kind of neat in a half-baked, wish it were more pronounced kind of way.
This is a thread for discussing the missing features/ false advertising of No Man's Sky. Let's not devolve this thread by saying this is a culmination of hate. A community of people who purchased/played this games for tens/hundreds of hours created and are maintaining this list. It's counter-productive to the thread.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Kill me please.
OminoMichelin
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posted yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8P2CZg3sJQ
That is pretty much exactly what it is.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Many times lol.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If you want to be pretentious you should at least be able to recite it properly. It's ceci n'est pas une pipe.
Source René Magritte is my favourite artist.
Conkerkid11
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Actually curious about this myself. Going to go try it out and report my findings.
You have to realize that the gameplay loop, while enjoyable to watch for maybe 20 minutes or so, gets stale rather quickly, especially for a $60 game.
Alebrije
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Sorry but any river definition has : stream or flow as a part of it.
Anyway the sad part is that most of water bodies on NMS are sterile with no fauna
Golden post. Well said.
7DollarHagane
Banned
the spaceflight really is very rudimentary and disappointing.
I especially hate the "flash" that happens when you transition from "space" to "atmosphere" that is meant to hide the model transition from planet to landscape.
I especially hate the "flash" that happens when you transition from "space" to "atmosphere" that is meant to hide the model transition from planet to landscape.
ScientificPizza
Banned
There are instances of water animals though, right?
I do wish they were more abundant, though
VlaudTheImpaler
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So that we are all on the same page of what makes up a river...
River
A river is a natural flowing watercourse, usually freshwater, flowing towards an ocean, sea, lake or another river. In some cases a river flows into the ground and becomes dry at the end of its course without reaching another body of water. Small rivers can be referred to using names such as stream, creek, brook, rivulet, and rill.
River
A river is a natural flowing watercourse, usually freshwater, flowing towards an ocean, sea, lake or another river. In some cases a river flows into the ground and becomes dry at the end of its course without reaching another body of water. Small rivers can be referred to using names such as stream, creek, brook, rivulet, and rill.
How has it come to this? lol
I think they've dumbed it down to a gargantuan extent, but I think the core nugget of what they aimed for is still there. You could theoretically play the entire game in space and there's still a galactic economy there, no matter how rudimentary. It would just be dull, and difficult, as shit. The only exception might be the first couple of hours where you're on planet and have to dealwithit.gif.
Again, here's hoping that they can fix it all up and attain their original vision with updates.
Right, okay, let's drop the philosophical facts about how language works (that it's subjective regardless of dictionaries or definitions) – fine, functionally, it's evidently not a river, but if you're standing on a slope looking at the thing, while exploring this alien planet, you'd be a total dullard if you moseyed down for a closer look just to ascertain if it's flowing or not. The lack of flowing water in the game is definitely disappointing - but the 'river shape' is in the game and that's more than enough, IMO. They achieved plenty with the procedural algorithm already and they have a perfect base to build on. As somebody just confirmed - flowing water was added to Minecraft in a patch right after it went public - I wouldn't be surprised if HG add it into NMS at some stage.
Most of the bodies of water I've been into have fauna, and all of them have had loads of flora. I skip them most of the time, though.
ScientificPizza
Banned
In terms for pre release knowledge of a game ignorance is truly bliss
Beerman462
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Feels like YTMND
let me know what you find. it'll be fun to find out some of these things.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I don't know. I'm actually probably super wrong about that. Maybe it's just something I've never really noticed/took for granted
You know in a thread with written posts we can prove that right? Go ahead and count them up, let's see it.
Do you realize that this has NOTHING to do with the list being posted, and your "smelling their own farts" is more a testament to how you literally cannot see anyone criticizing NMS as anything other than a hater.
The people making these lists are the actual players. People who paid money, to play this game. And they didn't get parts of the game they were led to believe would exist.
Again, no? You are projecting an incredible amount of hatred towards these people for apparently having the audacity to not just gobble it up and take it.
BUT THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT. Saying the game "overall" is still fine doesn't excuse features that were advertised and then went AWOL. In no world does this become acceptable. This is the point of the thread. And the list.
Hey know what helps? Maybe that developer shouldn't spend every opportunity telling you about his game and all the features of it, you go and pay them money for it, and all of a sudden half that shit isn't there, and there's no explanation as to why.
Yes, the community is owed an explanation as to why features that were blatantly advertised and alluded to have zero existance in the game, or are extremely toned down. Hell just the multiplayer alone is something they should've put a statement out on. They want to ask for the big boy bucks, they get to play by the big boy rules. Features from development go AWOL, but no mention of this until potentially after they already made their money.
It's not entirely the experience the devs advertised. That's the problem. I don't care if you personally are willing to accept being misled then somehow excuse them as if we're the ones at fault.
It's unfortunate that it turned out this way, but I was very much expecting it since the game really started getting hyped a couple years ago. Amid the constant questions from people along the lines of "so what is there to do?", there were so many promises and maybes fed to fans and press about what the game would be, even though they clearly didn't have the team size to accomplish it.
I do really hope that the game is improved over time. I'd love to pick it up down the road at some point.
I do really hope that the game is improved over time. I'd love to pick it up down the road at some point.
Conkerkid11
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Unfortunately it seems the only planet in the system I'm in has toxic water.
:/
Edit: So I was curious about something. Water in this game is a flat plane like in most games. So in something like a lake, if I start to expand the lake, the water doesn't just drop off and cease to exist, it continues to fill in these holes. But that's because it's a plane beneath the actual terrain. I was curious if in NMS it's dynamically expanding based on the destroyed terrain, so in the center of this lake I'm at, there's a piece of terrain sticking out of the water. Technically, if I dig straight through the middle of it vertically, there should never be water because I'm not expanding the lake, I'm digging through the center of a piece of terrain in the middle of this plane. Unfortunately there was water in it though. So this lake I'm at in NMS is literally just a plane of water.
It is easy to get excited seeing these actual planet-sized worlds and landing on them is actually something that I will never forget. But once you see that it's all the same mind-numbing thing over and over with a bunch of regurgitated assets on mainly dull worlds then the new car scent quickly fades into that of a foul stench.
Still worthy of praise, if Jim's great video can have its own thread so should this one but whatever.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Really? It was sold by Murray over and over again as having certain features. Steam even advertises the game currently with old footage of stuff that isn't in the game.
People were TOLD the game has this content in. They were told things that aren't even true, by the creator of the game. Repeatedly. And they're not owed any explanation after paying money for it and realising they've been misled?
IIRC he was also talking to press who had access to the game on Monday. I don't know specifically who received copies and who didn't.
That quote only mentions the press who didn't receive copies; not those that did.
VlaudTheImpaler
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No.
zackmorris
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I mean, I expect them to put in whatever they say they will no matter the team size.
We were talking about this the other day in one of the now-locked threads.
A) We think that, legally, only what's on the box and what's on paid-for advertising (i.e. commercials, billboards, etc) are 'legally binding'
B) Somebody who evidently knew his shit said that if you've bought the game you don't have a leg to stand on in terms of suing or anything like that.
And if you don't have any legal basis for being owed compensation, why the fuck would you be owed an explanation?
(I'm not saying it's right, just that it is what it is.)
I'm saying it's still possible to enjoy the game.
Which is it. It's flawed. But you can still enjoy it. Lies and warts and all. You don't need to scrutinise every centimetre of every game you play. If Fable had been scrutinised to this level literal lynch mobs would have gone after Molyneux, it was so utterly unrecognisable based on how he described and hyped it.