Brawly Likes to Brawl
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These polls are anonymous. I can see hiding your vote in shame in a face to face conversation but you'd have to be paranoid to lie when it comes to ticking a box.
Trump Campaign Manager: Were Actually Winning Right Now, Cites Undercover' Voters
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Orbis Tabula
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Every election this "phenomenon" comes up.
So how does their shitty daily tracker even work? I am baffled by it consistently.
Lord Frieza
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Had to read that twice.
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Very scientific.
These people really dont understand how bad of a disadvantage they have lol.
For example in 2012 -
Romney won 59 Percent of the white vote.
GOP Margin of victory of the white vote nearly doubled from 12% to 20%
Romney won the break down was Male: 62% Female:56% to 42%
Romney Lost - 13% to 93% Black Vote, 27% - 71 % Latino Vote 26% - 73 % Asian Vote % 38%-58% Other
Literally they would need to win over 70+% of white males and over 60+% of white women to even have a chance at the white house based on the turnout as it stands.
Its hilarious these people base things on feelings instead of the reality that minority votes matter significantly in the US.
There is no way they can mobilize more than 70% White men and 60+% white of women in this election. They need minority votes and I'm predicting the margins maybe even worse off than 2012 at this rate.
See Exit polls for yourself: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/#exit-polls
For example in 2012 -
Romney won 59 Percent of the white vote.
GOP Margin of victory of the white vote nearly doubled from 12% to 20%
Romney won the break down was Male: 62% Female:56% to 42%
Romney Lost - 13% to 93% Black Vote, 27% - 71 % Latino Vote 26% - 73 % Asian Vote % 38%-58% Other
Literally they would need to win over 70+% of white males and over 60+% of white women to even have a chance at the white house based on the turnout as it stands.
Its hilarious these people base things on feelings instead of the reality that minority votes matter significantly in the US.
There is no way they can mobilize more than 70% White men and 60+% white of women in this election. They need minority votes and I'm predicting the margins maybe even worse off than 2012 at this rate.
See Exit polls for yourself: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/#exit-polls
Yeah I don't think it is enough to matter
The typical Trump supporter doesn't seem exactly... shy. And hey, two can play this game. What about all the women out there who are scared to say they support Hillary in earshot of their MAGA-hat-wearing husbands? When we unskew the polls for them, it turns out Hillary is at, uh, let's say, a twenty point lead!
I do not understand why anyone would compare Brexit to the United States presidential election. They're not remotely similar for so many reasons beyond the fact that they're both about politics. Heck, the polls for Brexit were actually correct because they all suggested that a Remain or Leave victory would be slight at best. Which was a completely correct prediction.
The Leave victory did not occur because of complacency. People want to blame the younger generation for the result but a few statistics suggest that they did actually go out to vote. But they weren't a strong enough demographic to offset the older white British voter or the disenfranchised working class that have nothing but contempt for the political classes.
Even if we ignore these facts, the United States presidential election is not a direct democracy popularity contest.
Lovely Salsa
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He is actually leading in the most recent poll
Yeah, this is slightly less horrible than McCain supporters believing that a lot of white people said publicly that they'd vote for a black guy but in the privacy of the voting booth they'd stick to their own, but it's no less delusional.
CrankyKong
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Alex Jones thinks Trump is winning California and New York
Nope.He is actually leading in the most recent poll
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/
He is actually leading in the most recent poll
That poll is garbage and Hillary actually retook the lead in the most recent poll so nope.
DeadlyParasite
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Trump has the ghosts and spooky spirits vote on lockdown.
Veritigo_X
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Classic excuse from a losing campaign.
It's amazing how often this single poll has been grabbed, as if it's the only driftwood in sight and Trump is sinking in the middle of a vast ocean (he is).He is actually leading in the most recent poll
CopperPuppy
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"I can't discuss it... But it's real."
LOL.
LOL.
DragonSworne
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There is a problem with your candidate if people are too ashamed to admit openly they are voting for them. I don't doubt there are people like this, but to think there are 10+ million people like this to account for the polling difference is ludicrous.
Lovely Salsa
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How do you discover undercover votes... if the people who you claim are voting for you... don't want people to know they are voting for you?
It's like asking your friend if you ugly ass dress looks good. They'll say yes because you're asking them, doesn't matter if the dress looks good or not.
It's like asking your friend if you ugly ass dress looks good. They'll say yes because you're asking them, doesn't matter if the dress looks good or not.
That actually goes back to Nixon in 1968.
Gordon Shumway
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We taking undercover racist here?
As someone who worked in market research for a long time. And also has common sense. Online polls are bullshit.
In fact face to face polling is the best because people are least likely to lie in a more personal scenario.
I very vividly remember calling a classmate of mine an idiot when she said democrats were oversampled in polls and that Romney would win easily like a week before polls opened.
Must have been Dick Morris' daughter.
Whenever someone brings up the "silent majority" nonsense, I always ask them "If they're so silent, then how do you know what they're thinking?"
fallengorn
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She's doing her best Han Solo impression.
"Undercover voters. It's true. All of it."
I can see people saying "undecided ect" but not many outright lying saying they're voting for Hillary not Trump. Not anywhere near a big enough difference to swing things.
Also couple this with, it's America. Your average American is not bashful or ashamed to say what they think! And if we're specifically talking young people, then I doubt there is too many of them that are voting Trump in the first place.
Also couple this with, it's America. Your average American is not bashful or ashamed to say what they think! And if we're specifically talking young people, then I doubt there is too many of them that are voting Trump in the first place.
Their angle is that they are the victim. The media, which is mostly left, is lying and giving Hillary bias coverage. People are falling for it, but the smart ones you see, they know the truth so for now they just nod their head but come election they will vote for Trump.
First it was the polls were rigged. Now it's that people are voting purposely incorrect. What will be the next claim? Tune in tomorrow.
Imperfected
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I mean, this works both ways, you know? I have a friend who lives in Houston who goes along with her coworkers on the Trump stuff so as not to be the odd one out, but there's pretty much no chance she's actually going to vote for him.
The team sports mentality in red states is pretty hardcore, and if anything might actually be masking how amazingly unpopular Trump actually is in some Republican strongholds.
The team sports mentality in red states is pretty hardcore, and if anything might actually be masking how amazingly unpopular Trump actually is in some Republican strongholds.
Yeah, I think the most accurate polls are face to face or live calling. I've actually done live calling polling(making calls to different households) and the people who i speak to on the phone are pretty straight forward and quick with answers.
Ninja Scooter
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I heard a Trump supporter parrot this on CNN last night. And it clearly didn't register with him that the idea that people are ashamed to admit they are voting for his candidate is sort of the entire problem.
Astral Dog
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How many on GAF are actually Undercover Trump Voters?
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