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[anothertech]

That's the grey area in advertisement description. If some dude says "Hey my Playstation games are not in 4K, like i was led to believe, because the badge on the "Playstation" that says "Playstation 4K" implied the "Playstation Games" are native 4K.".... then the ASA will look into it and if they think "he's got a point" then it stands, but if they accept Sony's stance it's a media centre first then they will let it slide.

I'm not saying it should be PS4K or not, I'm saying that past cases show the opportunity to fall foul of the rules is there, based on past cases.

Not even close.

ASA only agreed with the complaint because they were advertising 4K content where there was none. Naming somthing 4K and advertising 4K content are two completely different things. Now if Sony starts saying all games will play at 4K and they don't, then you have a case that's similar.

There's no gray area here unless your really reaching with no real legal backing, which is what you're doing here. LoL

 

[Elven_Star]

I've mentioned this before. But the prospect of Sony passing on savings via a cheaper cost, or by applying it to it's tech by not having to include a controller.

I mean, at this point - with so many dual shock 4's in circulation (well over 50 million) anybody upgrading to Neo already has a controller. And for those that don't the option of getting on themselves cheaper is very realizable.

Seems just like wasted money to include a dual shock 4 in the NEO packaging.

Not everybody is going to keep their OG PS4s though. I sold mine yesterday.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

If you are having to argue whether your name is liable for a lawsuit you should probably ditch that name.

PS4k is a bad name for two reasons.

1.It implies that it will play games in 4k (Which it absolutely will not do 99.99% of the time)
2.It implies that you will need a 4k TV to see the benefits of the system (which is also not true).

I understand that its so close to being a perfect name, but its not.

Just call it PS4 (insert word, number, or letter here) and be done with it.

 

[Darklor01]

If you are having to argue whether your name is liable for a lawsuit you should probably ditch that name.

PS4k is a bad name for two reasons.

1.It implies that it will play games in 4k (Which it absolutely will not do 99.99% of the time)
2.It implies that you will need a 4k TV to see the benefits of the system (which is also not true).

I understand that its so close to being a perfect name, but its not.

Just call it PS4 (insert word, number, or letter here) and be done with it.

PS4X, after all there once was a PSX I think.

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[Elven_Star]

I don't understand why you guys are so interested in the name. Does it even matter?

 

[clintar]

If you are having to argue whether your name is liable for a lawsuit you should probably ditch that name.

PS4k is a bad name for two reasons.

1.It implies that it will play games in 4k (Which it absolutely will not do 99.99% of the time)
2.It implies that you will need a 4k TV to see the benefits of the system (which is also not true).

I understand that its so close to being a perfect name, but its not.

Just call it PS4 (insert word, number, or letter here) and be done with it.

PSFourKay?

I don't understand why you guys are so interested in the name. Does it even matter?

What else we got to talk about? How about... Since there is no leaks like the slim, maybe it means it's a ways off?

 

[vpance]

I actually think they should downgrade the clock speed to of the GPU to 800MHZ and the CPU to 2.0 GHZ.

Would still give plenty of power, be more heat proof/noise proof and have even numbered clocks. I can't stand odd numbers at all.

You would be happy with 3.68TF? For like $349 I guess?

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I always liked the name PSX.

Dunno, if they called it the PS4X, thats be cool. Then the PS5, PS5X, etc...

 

[joeblow]

So you think there is a greater than .000000001% chance that Sony will borrow the X from MS and use it for the Neo's final name?

 

[Deleted member 465307]

5.5 is a full RX 480. Could be possible.

That seems kind of crazy. The TDP of the 480 is greater than the power draw of the entire PS4. I expect Neo to use more power than PS4, but I can't imagine them increasing power draw by that much.

 

[Loudninja]

2013 PS meeting topic
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511056

Topic during the reveal
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514454

 

[Dinjooh]

PSFourKay?


What else we got to talk about? How about... Since there is no leaks like the slim, maybe it means it's a ways off?

Well, it probably means it's not at distribution yet. Which makes slim in september, Neo in october a likely possibility.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

You would be happy with 3.68TF? For like $349 I guess?

That person is a troll that has no intention to buy a Neo. Thought this was obvious by now. The lower the specs the happier he/she will be. Just oozes the "crabs in a barrel" mentality.

 

[Darklor01]

So you think there is a greater than .000000001% chance that Sony will borrow the X from MS and use it for the Neo's final name?

Why, who had it first. Sony with PSX or MS with that thing I can't remember to which you are referring? Orr...does MS legit own X naming conventions??

 

[x-Lundz-x]

It should just be PS4 NEO, that way it can me marketed as a higher end PS4 but not tied to the stigma that PS4K would leave. PS4K and people are going to throw a shitstorm if every game is not Output in 4K.

 

[thelastword]

$499 for 5.8 teraflops
$549 for 6.6 teraflops
$599 for 7.4 teraflops...

I think the $499.00 option is all they need, stock RX 480 speeds, just make sure the CPU is better than Jaguar.

 

[Metfanant]

It costs them like 15 dollars to make a DS4 and most people are trading in their PS4s (along with their DS4) to get a Neo.

You've got some numbers for that statement?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I think the $499.00 option is all they need, stock RX 480 speeds, just make sure the CPU is better than Jaguar.

I would take 5TF and a better CPU. Whatever it is I think we will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[jbug617]

Zhuge tweeting out GameStop investor call.

They confirmed Neo will be at the September event
There is going to be a trade in promotion for Power Up Members

 

[Boke1879]

Zhuge tweeting out GameStop investor call.

They confirmed Neo will be at the September event
There is going to be a trade in promotion for Power Up Members

Yea Sony may not officially do it but Gamestop will do it anyway.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Zhuge tweeting out GameStop investor call.

They confirmed Neo will be at the September event
There is going to be a trade in promotion for Power Up Members

Starting to grate that everyone and his dog are confirming this event and details thereof, except Sony.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

You've got some numbers for that statement?

I thought it was common sense. I think even Andrew House and Gamestop have acknowledged that there will be a large amount of 2nd hand consoles in the wild this holiday. I'll try to find the quotes.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Zhuge tweeting out GameStop investor call.

They confirmed Neo will be at the September event
There is going to be a trade in promotion for Power Up Members

Well everyone already knew that. Curious to see what the Gamestop trade-in will be. Probably no more than $200 since they dropped it to $150 recently. Sly move there.

Starting to grate that everyone and his dog are confirming this event and details thereof, except Sony.

What difference does it make when we know it is gonna be there?

 

[Boke1879]

Starting to grate that everyone and his dog are confirming this event and details thereof, except Sony.

Well we know Neo will be there. We'll see if this trade in program is something from Sony or if Gamestop will do it on their own.

 

[icespide]

even if there is a trade in program I'd rather just order off of amazon then bothering going to a gamestop

 

[Darklor01]

Starting to grate that everyone and his dog are confirming this event and details thereof, except Sony.

Not totally shocking considering they havent given live stream information or confirmed the existence of PS Slim yet.

 

[wachie]

5.5 is a full RX 480. Could be possible.

No it's not, try again.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

even if there is a trade in program I'd rather just order off of amazon then bothering going to a gamestop

Yeah, im with you. Unless they give a really great deal on it i really dont want to have to deal with them, i hate having to sign up for stuff.

 

[forknknife]

PS4 SS

 

[bidguy]

I think the $499.00 option is all they need, stock RX 480 speeds, just make sure the CPU is better than Jaguar.

what cpu would that be ? zen isnt ready obviously so what else is there at amd ?

its 100% gonna be jaguar

 

[Mula]

PS4 SS

The worst idea ever

 

[onQ123]

what cpu would that be ? zen isnt ready obviously so what else is there at amd ?

its 100% gonna be jaguar

 

[Venom Fox]

What's that gotta do with anything?

 

[vpance]

That person is a troll that has no intention to buy a Neo. Thought this was obvious by now. The lower the specs the happier he/she will be. Just oozes the "crabs in a barrel" mentality.

😕

I'd be alright with 4.2TF, even with just the upclocked Jag at this point. But the rumor of 3cm taller and 10 lbs got me back on the hype train.

 

[ViciousDS]

Well we know Neo will be there. We'll see if this trade in program is something from Sony or if Gamestop will do it on their own.

yes.....got to find my 500GB hdd lol


if the promotion is $150 trade in......fucking done!

 

[gundamkyoukai]

I don't care about them improving the cpu for a mid gen upgrade
For me it's about the GPU and bandwidth .

 

[Darklor01]

You lost me.

 

[bidguy]

bulldozer really ? even amd admitted it was a total failure

 

[RoboPlato]

I actually think they should downgrade the clock speed to of the GPU to 800MHZ and the CPU to 2.0 GHZ.

Would still give plenty of power, be more heat proof/noise proof and have even numbered clocks. I can't stand odd numbers at all.

Inuhanyou pls

 

[thetester77]

i heard its called the ps4neogaf. powered by the power of the neogaf servers!

I hope it's not powered by the e3 time servers...... that would be bad news!

 

[onQ123]

What's that gotta do with anything?

The person asked what AMD had that could go in Neo & I'm saying just like PS4 had plans to use steamroller Neo could also use a desktop CPU.


I don't think it will but the question was what does AMD have so I answered.

 

[onQ123]

bulldozer really ? even amd admitted it was a total failure

What about Excavator?

 

[kostacurtas]

No it's not, try again.

What about 5TF?

According to Digital Foundry that is the performance from the third power state of the Polaris 10 chip.

Second power state is the rumored target for the PS4 Neo.

 

[jayu26]

Oh for fuck's sake! Hardware is what the hardware is. We can only hope that it is reasonable priced. Specifically for us Canadians.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

😕

I'd be alright with 4.2TF, even with just the upclocked Jag at this point. But the rumor of 3cm taller and 10 lbs got me back on the hype train.

If you can't see that is trolling I don't know what to tell you. Someone that has no intention to buy asking for lower specs then rumored...the charade is up.

On topic I'm in for whatever they announce, but I still believe it will be more powerful than expected and $449 or $499. I feel pretty good about that after being one of the few people that was absolutely convinced there would be a slim announced this year...months ago.

Oh for fuck's sake! Hardware is what the hardware is. We can only hope that it is reasonable priced. Specifically for us Canadians.

We don't know what the hardware is. You can take those leaks as gospel if you like. I won't.

 

[joeblow]

Why, who had it first. Sony with PSX or MS with that thing I can't remember to which you are referring? Orr...does MS legit own X naming conventions??

"Owning" a letter has nothing to do with it. I'm just stating obvious, common sense.

There are two letters in the alphabet that consumers currently associate with Sony's primary console competitors, and it is for that reason we can be sure that the Neo won't be named the PS4X or the PS4U, regardless of what happened over 20 years ago.

 

[Celcius]

Instead of them increasing the clocks like many people expect, what are the chances of them simply adding a second identical APU, along with beefier cooling and a slightly bigger chassis to match? Developers could have a several options for leveraging the APUs:

Non-neo mode: disable one and the systems functions as a normal PS4.
Neo-mode A: One functions solely as a CPU and the other functions solely as a GPU. A significant power increase.
Neo mode B: Both function as APUs in a mode similar to SLI or crossfire. Again a significant power increase.

I would say no additional RAM to save costs (you have to cut a corner somewhere to lower the price on a mass-produced machine). Theoretically it would be literally twice as powerful as the original PS4 and simply adding a 2nd APU but keeping everything else the same won't double the price of the console... the APU alone must represent what, 50% the cost of the system?

($350/2) + $350 = $550 for a PS4 Neo.

 

[Kolx]

If you can't see that is trolling I don't know what to tell you. Someone that has no intention to buy asking for lower specs then rumore...the charade is up.

On topic I'm in for whatever they announce, but I'm still believe it will be more powerful than expected. I feel pretty good about that after being one of the few people that was absolutely convinced there would be a slim announced this year...months ago.

Nature always love to balance things, you know.

 

[Darklor01]

"Owning" a letter has nothing to do with it. I'm just stating obvious, common sense.

There are two letters in the alphabet that consumers currently associate with Sony's primary console competitors, and it is for that reason we can be sure that the Neo won't be named the PS4X or the PS4U, regardless of what happened over 20 years ago.

If my comment was offensive, I do apologize. Wasn't intended that way if it indeed read that way. It was a sincere question about which other competitors use it other than Nintendo with NX for example. I don't recall.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Nature allways love to balance things, you know.

I get what you are saying. I'm not against dissenting or opposing opinions if that is what you are implying. It would be boring if everyone was in agreement.