Steven Universe |OT4| Every Rose Has Its Thorns

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I could totally see Tiger Philanthropist being something in similar vein to Hit the Diamond, except it's a platoon of Amethysts that arrive in Beach City and they have to wrestle only for it to horribly backfire or something. That being said, SU has a tendency to fuck with our expectations, so the descriptions are probably:

Gem Harvest
Steven teaches Lapis and Peridot how to farm so they can buy more art supplies.

Last One Out of Beach City
Steven tries creating a board game.

That being said, "Gem _______" episodes have a tendency to be big ones (Gem Glow, Mirror Gem, Ocean Gem, Gem Drill, etc.) so it could be something major.
 
I could totally see Tiger Philanthropist being something in similar vein to Hit the Diamond, except it's a platoon of Amethysts that arrive in Beach City and they have to wrestle only for it to horribly backfire or something. That being said, SU has a tendency to fuck with our expectations, so the descriptions are probably:

Gem Harvest
Steven teaches Lapis and Peridot how to farm so they can buy more art supplies.

Last One Out of Beach City
Steven tries creating a board game.

That being said, "Gem _______" episodes have a tendency to be big ones (Gem Glow, Mirror Gem, Ocean Gem, Gem Drill, etc.) so it could be something major.
Innocuous descriptions tend to be big reveals too.

The description for Catch and Release was:
We finally see inside Steven's bathroom.
 
The big thing I'm wondering is if Steven is going to develop his own form of Future Vision.

Would be weird. Rose is already crazy overpowered for a 'Common Quartz'.

By the way, are we still buying that? There is no way that can be true.

'The Perfect Quartz' Jasper is no where near as broken as Rose seems to have been.
 
Would be weird. Rose is already crazy overpowered for a 'Common Quartz'.

By the way, are we still buying that? There is no way that can be true.

'The Perfect Quartz' Jasper is no where near as broken as Rose seems to have been.

Perfect Earth Quartz, do we have any confirmation Rose is an Earthling?
 
Would be weird. Rose is already crazy overpowered for a 'Common Quartz'.

By the way, are we still buying that? There is no way that can be true.

'The Perfect Quartz' Jasper is no where near as broken as Rose seems to have been.
As we can see with Jasper and Peridot, they don't really try to do anything but what they were born to do. However, Peridot shows us that given time to learn about themselves, new powers can come about.

I mean, Pearl apparently is a goddamn killing machine, and she's the equivalent of a night lamp.
 
Im wondering now how pearl handled two quartz soldiers pretty easily in "The Answer" but then didn't stand a chance against jasper. I guess jasper was just way more powerful? It just highlights how ridiculously OP fusions are considering Stevonnie, Garnet, and Smokey Quartz dealt with jasper with ease. Even the "perfect quartz" didn't stand a chance.

I wonder if there's any other soldiers that are more powerful than jasper, or if the diamonds are the only thing on the latter thats a legitimate threat against crystal gem fusions.
 
Would be weird. Rose is already crazy overpowered for a 'Common Quartz'.

By the way, are we still buying that? There is no way that can be true.

'The Perfect Quartz' Jasper is no where near as broken as Rose seems to have been.
Since Rose being Pink Diamond is out of the question for the time being there are really no other explanations as to why she was so strong and had the amount of abilities she did. Also let's assume Rose was somehow Pink Diamond, why would she have so many abilities centered around organic life ? Plant powers, Healing bodily fluids and Dream powers. Gems don't dream, well at least the ones on homeworld don't.
 
Would be weird. Rose is already crazy overpowered for a 'Common Quartz'.

By the way, are we still buying that? There is no way that can be true.

'The Perfect Quartz' Jasper is no where near as broken as Rose seems to have been.
Rose surpassed basic quartz strength thanks to her tireless regimen of 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and 100 squats plus running 10 km every single day.
 
Rose surpassed basic quartz strength thanks to her tireless regimen of 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and 100 squats plus running 10 km every single day.
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Rose surpassed basic quartz strength thanks to her tireless regimen of 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, and 100 squats plus running 10 km every single day.
You say that as a joke but what if somehow when rose was on Earth she broke her gems fundamental programming and gained life centered abilities ?
 
Im wondering now how pearl handled two quartz soldiers pretty easily in "The Answer" but then didn't stand a chance against jasper. I guess jasper was just way more powerful? It just highlights how ridiculously OP fusions are considering Stevonnie, Garnet, and Smokey Quartz dealt with jasper with ease. Even the "perfect quartz" didn't stand a chance.

I wonder if there's any other soldiers that are more powerful than jasper, or if the diamonds are the only thing on the latter thats a legitimate threat against crystal gem fusions.

Remember, Jasper is the ultimate quartz and the quartz that came from the beta kindergarten didn't come out right. The soldiers Pearl defeated were most likely from the beta kindergarten.
 
I think one reason Rose was so powerful is that, based on what we know, the versatility of Gem powersets tends to scale upwards based on the Gem's base "power level" to begin with. More specialized castes like the Rubies don't really do much outside of summoning weapons or fire powers, whereas someone like Jasper has a few extra abilities (mainly the spindash, but her ridiculous durability should probably count too). I mean hell, outside of the limb enhancers, from what we know homeworld Peridots aren't even meant to have powers.

But that's the thing: Gems seem to have a pretty wide variety of potential abilities they can unlock, but they're also explicitly related to what they're doing. In a society like Homeworld where a Gem is born and taught that they're explicitly designed for their purpose and nothing else, there's really not a lot of room for them to discover new abilities. Stepping out of line means getting poofed or worse, as with the Gem Destabilizer tech and the energy-fields blocking the holding cells on the hand ship. One of the biggest contributors, though, is also being a society where very little emphasis is placed on the individual, and - based on what we've heard - modern Homeworld has next to nothing resembling social support networks outside of "spires for thinkers to think in".

We even get a potential confirmation of this in Garnet and her Future Vision: while Sapphire's is more linear and its accuracy is inversely proportional to how active she is in a situation, Ruby's passion and impulsiveness allow Garnet to see a lot more possibilities, albeit at the cost (gain?) of being able to sift through them by choice. In this sense, since in an interview Rebecca Sugar specifically noted that it was Ruby who influenced the Future Vision and not that it's something exclusive to a hypothetical "Garnet" homeworld caste, we could see it as Ruby having Gem programming baked-in somewhere that would allow her to modify an ability that she didn't even have.

When Gems are allowed to move past their informed boundaries, we get people like Pearl and Peridot, who - despite what they were told about their capabilities on Homeworld - have gone on to develop tons of additional powers and understanding of once-alien concepts (like Peridot more or less getting her metal powers through empathy for her technology and the power of friendship). So, keeping in mind that Rose:

- Is apparently a very powerful and versatile Gem even prior to rebelling, on par with Jasper and Bismuth if not more powerful
- Gained an understanding (to an extent) and appreciation for organic life
- Gained an understanding of the conditions necessary for organic, Earth-relative life (food, water, shelter, vegetation to provide oxygen, animals for hunting and as beasts-of-burden)
- Led a rebellion that allowed her to fuse with, understand, empathize with, etc. other Gem castes in a major way
- Was specifically noted to have developed deep relationships with humans, mainly men

It makes total sense that Rose's power set is absurdly wide. She's basically the perfect storm of human and Gem innovation in that she started out as a powerful Gem, but also exceeded her imposed limitations and as a result of that she gained (or rather learned how to articulate) powers specifically related to plant life, healing Gems, etc. Then, if you take someone like Jasper who's still mostly operating in the same bounds as before (not including fusion) and was the "ultimate Quartz", she may not have a very extensive powerset, but she's also really good at what she does, which is fighting.

Steven's power set going on to exceed Rose's also makes sense in a way, when you consider that most of Steven's powers are defensive or healing-related, it's because he's also living out plenty of experiences as a human, so his empathy and understanding of organic life is probably going to eventually surpass Rose's.

We even get a taste of this in Bubbled: part of the reason Rose was able to fight off Homeworld for so long was because she gained her healing powers through empathy for her fellow Gems, and empathy is pretty much not taught at all on Homeworld.
 
I wonder if Rose's rebellion actually made life worse for all gems created after it happened. I'm sure free thinking is even more taboo now then it was then, and with peridot, we see that the diamonds are now convincing gems into believing they have no powers when this is not the case.

The diamonds probably don't want to risk another repeat of what happened with Rose.
 
I know this is just me being dumb but did anyone find Stevonnie having a yellow triangle and the yellow bird that flies away before Stevonnie lands weird...like not that the bird is yellow diamond or anything but that our attention was brought to the color yellow.


idk
 
I know this is just me being dumb but did anyone find Stevonnie having a yellow triangle and the yellow bird that flies away before Stevonnie lands weird...like not that the bird is yellow diamond or anything but that our attention was brought to the color yellow.


idk
Yeah someone pointed that out earlier, obviously it was intentional but why ? Stevonnie really has no link to YD so maybe it is just an Easter egg.
 
This thread has outdone itself, it will be hard to top this.

So, I did a rewatch over the weekend, and is it just me, or are Pearl-focused episodes on average the best in the series? And does that cement her as best gem?
The answer is yes to both.
 
Future Boy Zoltron could be one of those "light" episodes that takes a sudden extremely serious turn in its closing moments. Steven fills in for the broken Zoltron machine (with or without Garnet's loaned future vision powers) and learns a lesson about telling people what they need to hear versus what they want to hear. Near the end, he talks to Garnet about telling the future and she has a nice chat with him. But then she ends up seeing something very bad with a very high probability of happening in their very near future.
 
Wonder if we'll even see Steven grow to how he was in that Birthday episode. Imagine it would a lot easier for his voice actor to voice him since he is getting older lol.
 
$10 steven sees a future where yellow diamond returns and activates the cluster, and the earth is in ruins

Fuck now I'm going to be disappointed aren't i
 
Wonder if we'll even see Steven grow to how he was in that Birthday episode. Imagine it would a lot easier for his voice actor to voice him since he is getting older lol.

They'll have to do it soon, or else we'll have a case where the sound team have to auto-pitch Zach's voice and it's going to sound unnatural. I really wished that Steven's "growth spurt" wasn't a shape-shift trick, for the sole reason that they could avoid this issue.

Zach sounded natural when he was voicing Steven with his actual voice in that episode, rather than to force himself to be squeaky.
 
They'll have to do it soon, or else we'll have a case where the sound team have to auto-pitch Zach's voice and it's going to sound unnatural. I really wished that Steven's "growth spurt" wasn't a shape-shift trick, for the sole reason that they could avoid this issue.

Zach sounded natural when he was voicing Steven with his actual voice in that episode, rather than to force himself to be squeaky.

As much as I want there to be a moment where Steven literally grows up like in Steven's Birthday and it sticks, changing Steven's design would mean having to put his new design in every single episode. Animators and storyboard artists have been drawing the current Steven for a few years already. If they had to learn how to redraw him from now on, it would be pretty time-consuming and difficult, especially if you're dealing with Korean and other animators who don't have constant communication with the main staff.

Would I love to see a season finale with Steven getting taller and allowing Zach to talk in his normal voice from now on? Absolutely. But I understand why they wouldn't do it. I think best case scenario is a flash-forward final episode where he's a young adult/adult with Connie.
 
They'll have to do it soon, or else we'll have a case where the sound team have to auto-pitch Zach's voice and it's going to sound unnatural. I really wished that Steven's "growth spurt" wasn't a shape-shift trick, for the sole reason that they could avoid this issue.

Zach sounded natural when he was voicing Steven with his actual voice in that episode, rather than to force himself to be squeaky.

One of the reasons I would be for a Connie period episode, Steven feeling more mature/choosing to age with her seems like the obvious choice.
 
I am glad to see people wanting Steven Prime to return for good. I don't think animation would be a problem, Stevens height changes all the time and I wouldn't mind a shaky few episodes to adjust.
 
So over the weekend I finished up the entire series. I had seen a few episodes here and there and caught most of the recent ones but I hadn't seen like 90% of the show.

Peridot for best Crystal Gem. There I said it.

I was talking to the fiancee about it over the weekend and one of the big takeaways I got from the show is that there are very few unlikable characters. Outside of maybe Marty and Kevin, everyone else is likable, especially all the residents of Beach City.
 
So over the weekend I finished up the entire series. I had seen a few episodes here and there and caught most of the recent ones but I hadn't seen like 90% of the show.

Peridot for best Crystal Gem. There I said it.

I was talking to the fiancee about it over the weekend and one of the big takeaways I got from the show is that there are very few unlikable characters. Outside of maybe Marty and Kevin, everyone else is likable, especially all the residents of Beach City.

Did something similar. The wife and I binged everything we could between Hulu and our Cable's On Demande service.

We've seen everything but last weeks episode so far.

I feel like I have Garnet as a favorite, but the wife seems to like Pearl. She said she likes Pearls growth and potential more than the others.

We're both kind of "bored" of amethyst, and I feel bad saying that, but I just feel like her character has been lacking any sort of "fun" since the first season or something.

Funny enough, for the barn gang, we prefer different gems there as well. I'm a Lapis fan, and she likes Peridot.

I laughed my ass off when Lapis' name for the Baseball team was Bob. Loved that call back.
 
I wish they went the adventure time route and just let his voice change while keeping the design the same.
Didn't Finn change though? It's subtle, but i'm pretty sure he's taller.

They're probably just waiting for something Lore-specific for Steven, they did make a pretty big deal about how Steven has looked the same for 6 years now. I bet it has something to do with reforming after getting poofed(or reforming because of some Steven specific power), it's not like they're afraid of doing character updates (eg Pearl and Amethyst).

So over the weekend I finished up the entire series. I had seen a few episodes here and there and caught most of the recent ones but I hadn't seen like 90% of the show.

Peridot for best Crystal Gem. There I said it.

I was talking to the fiancee about it over the weekend and one of the big takeaways I got from the show is that there are very few unlikable characters. Outside of maybe Marty and Kevin, everyone else is likable, especially all the residents of Beach City.
You forgot about Lars in that list of unlikeable characters. I hate Lars episodes, he's such a massive douche.

Other than that, went through a similar binge when I found out the show had more to offer than the wacky antics of a fat kid and his 3 magic aunts. It sucks that it's mostly 10 minute episodes, when I started it seemed like 50 episodes would take me a while to get through, but I finished up in just a couple days.

Also, Pearl is best gem
I feel like I have Garnet as a favorite, but the wife seems to like Pearl. She said she likes Pearls growth and potential more than the others.
For the same reasons listed here. Her growth episodes are the best. Your wife has great taste.
 
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