Finn used to be incredibly inconsistently draw, they eventually settled in with a more tube like body which makes him look different since now it's more consistent and not a variable mass blob.
Steven Universe |OT4| Every Rose Has Its Thorns
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Finn used to be incredibly inconsistently draw, they eventually settled in with a more tube like body which makes him look different since now it's more consistent and not a variable mass blob.
NOLA_Gaffer
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Guess I'll have to do the same for Adventure Time soon. The last episode I saw of that was "Breezy" back in 2014.
How can you watch Breezy and have any desire left to watch AT?
They had been undoing major and hyped status quo changes before Breezy, but giving Finn his arm back was the biggest slap in the face to fans ever, Finn losing his arm was something they had been hyping since Season freaking one and they undid it.
Im still salty about it.
It's kind of just been spinning its wheels since they defeated the lich. AT is worth rewatching old classics, but unless you just really like AT, it's never really reached the highs it hit with episodes like Simon and Marcy in the last couple seasons.
Although , I stopped around the start of the newest season, so maybe it got better?
Kor of Memory
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I don't know what it is, but I just love seeing Garnet get so excited over other fusions. The giant grin she gets when she first learns/hears about Stevonnie and Smokey is awesome.
It's like she's been alone as the only member of this super exclusive club that when other people show up she finally has someone to talk to.
It's like she's been alone as the only member of this super exclusive club that when other people show up she finally has someone to talk to.
To me it doesn't seem like Ruby comes out of Garnet a lot. Her personality is mostly Sapphire but I guess her strength is Ruby? I just feel like she would be dumber/rasher sometimes.
EDIT: Although our Ruby seems comparatively smart. I guess it's the being fused with Sapphire for 5000 years
EDIT: Although our Ruby seems comparatively smart. I guess it's the being fused with Sapphire for 5000 years
Kor of Memory
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I've always seen Ruby as Garnet's joy Or playfulness. Ruby is the part of Garnet that plays along with Steven, the part that cheats at card games. But really, Garnet is her own personality. Ruby and Sapphire are parts of it, but remember Garnet is more than the sum of Ruby and Sapphire put together.
Sapphire was shown to be pretty playful in Hit the Diamond. I like to think Ruby is the brasher, more confident side of Garnet.
Looking at the two Garnet fusions we've seen. I think Sardonyx picks up more traits from Sapphire while Sugilite draws more from Ruby.
Kor of Memory
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I feel like we've barely seen sugalite.
I can't stand Sardonyx. Her entire demeanor just doesn't d anything for me. And that pithy laugh drives me crazy.
I can't stand Sardonyx. Her entire demeanor just doesn't d anything for me. And that pithy laugh drives me crazy.
Kai Dracon
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Sardonyx is kind of interesting to me, because she seems to highlight three distinct personality contributions:
- Pearl's bad habit of being condescending towards things she thinks are beneath her.
- Garnet's confidence with herself.
- Sapphire and Ruby's fixation with each other, which comes out as Sardonyx laughing at her own jokes too quickly and cockily.
And you can see how in the last episode with her, Sardonyx would exhibit poor judgement from those traits combined. Pearl's conceit combined with Garnet's supreme confidence would make a personality fit to run roughshod over others. Combine with a touch of Ruby's headstrong nature to act before thinking, and there you go.
- Pearl's bad habit of being condescending towards things she thinks are beneath her.
- Garnet's confidence with herself.
- Sapphire and Ruby's fixation with each other, which comes out as Sardonyx laughing at her own jokes too quickly and cockily.
And you can see how in the last episode with her, Sardonyx would exhibit poor judgement from those traits combined. Pearl's conceit combined with Garnet's supreme confidence would make a personality fit to run roughshod over others. Combine with a touch of Ruby's headstrong nature to act before thinking, and there you go.
Exterminieren
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Adventure Time's problem is that it drip-fed a tonne of lore and background details without any intention to do anything of significance with them until the fans picked them up and ran with them, leading to half-hearted reveals, elastic status quo and consistently spinning wheels. Adventure Time's still more than capable of amazing standalones, but the overarching plot (such that it is) has been a mess for years.
SU, on the other hand, does a great job of advancing story and characters- it doesn't have AT's freewheeling spirit or looseness, but the staff have constructed a story that's been steadily unfolding and characters that have been developing since the very first episode, and it's benefitted the series immensely. It's no coincidence, for example, that the moment that the show really hit the big time was one concluding a series-long character and plot arc (Stronger Than You). I don't foresee any Orgalorg or Breezy-style disappointments coming up for Steven Universe- whatever strengths AT has over it, it's arcs are far more meticulous and satisfying than that.
SU, on the other hand, does a great job of advancing story and characters- it doesn't have AT's freewheeling spirit or looseness, but the staff have constructed a story that's been steadily unfolding and characters that have been developing since the very first episode, and it's benefitted the series immensely. It's no coincidence, for example, that the moment that the show really hit the big time was one concluding a series-long character and plot arc (Stronger Than You). I don't foresee any Orgalorg or Breezy-style disappointments coming up for Steven Universe- whatever strengths AT has over it, it's arcs are far more meticulous and satisfying than that.
Kor of Memory
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Ehh, I could argue the Lars episodes could fall into this area.
I don't mind her, though she is far from my favorite.
part of that is because I hate that type of laugh as it was a very common used laugh for rich girls in 90s/early 00s anime they have toned it down quite a bit in recent years at least.
Acerac
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Oddly enough, it really did. I agree that AT had been weak the last few seasons, but the most recent one really felt like it was on point.
Exterminieren
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Nah, Orgalorg and Breezy had plot developments were built to for months and years, before turning out to be complete fizzles. Lars episodes can be a little dull, but they're rarely pivotal.
User 73706
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Not to mention Lars episodes are either setting the stage for something bigger (Steven mind-controlling people) or have some nice type of self-contained payoff (Sadie defeating the invisible corrupted Gem).
can we just talk about the fact that Sadie is a fucking badass?
like what the fuck
One of my favorite details is she still has the scar from Island Adventure.
I was actually disappointed we finally got a Sadie episode and it was one of the weaker episodes in the series (comparatively).
I got tired of the show doing half-baked attempts at lore literally the episode before Breezy. I just didn't bother to catch the show that week and never caught up. I didn't realize how lucky I was to stop there until a month later.
Yeah, it's like the show just brushed off a human poofing a super powerful Gem Monster. I want to see Sadie do more of that.
It's hard to give her props for that kill when her selfishness and total kidnapping of her two best friends nearly got them all killed, if anything, killing the monster was the least she could do to correct her fuck up.
I still love her to bits tho!
User 73706
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HAVEN'T YOU NOTICED THAT I'M A STAR
Infinite Justice
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I honestly expected them to do something about it since hey he's the "hero"
Way more interested in Simon/Marcy/Betty (as much as that scenario was crazy).
But that whole Gunter thing is where i'm like
....
wait wat?
MisterGrey3000
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Well, "The Answer's" flashback was clearly very stylized.
The fights consisted of one hit kills and the screen fading to black like a cheap anime; those scenes don't seem like they were supposed to be super literal...and they don't make much sense with what we've been shown since "Coach Steven"
Consider this:
Pearl was only able to edge out Amy in the kindergarten fight due to her learned skill, but Amy's unpredictability and raw overcooked quartz strength almost got the best of Pearl near the end of it.
With all that in mind, Amy got creamed by Jasper in "Crack the Whip" and still didn't stand a chance in "Earthlings" even after some much needed training with both Pearl and Steven.
That fire whip attack that Amy used in the "On The Run" fight did a number on Pearl...but the modified version with the spin dash kind of just scuffed Jasper's uniform a little bit.
I think it's safe to assume that Pearl would get crushed by Jasper in a head to head brawl; and even if we consider that non-perfect quartz are Garnet-tier she'd still get creamed.
But Garnet didn't handle Jasper with ease.
It was a pretty spectacular moment for our favorite perma-fusion but she was actually losing that fight. Garnet was on her knees bruised and beaten while Jasper was unscathed looming over her near the end of it; Jasper was winning, and is clearly much stronger than Garnet. Garnet won because Jasper was enraged and reckless; she used her emotional stability and mental capabilities to defeat Jasper.
I honestly don't feel like any of those three fusions are supposed to be physically stronger than Jasper (It really wouldn't make much sense logically or thematically, especially in regards to the 75% human Stevonnie), they all seem to be beating her because they're emotionally and mentally stronger than her; the power of family, friendship, love and all that jazz.
I imagine large hetero-fusions are quite threatening though, that seems pretty certain; I mean...unless she outsmarts her I can't see a gem like Jasper taking on Sugilite or Malachite in a fair fight, and it looks like the latter two are more than a match for the diamonds.
blitzwolf215
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That whole season might has well been called wasted potential.
SolicitorPirate
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For some reason, I thought I was in a WWE thread, thought you were talking about Finn Balor and was really fucking confused
I don't believe them anymore!
MisterGrey3000;215387346[URL="https://youtu.be/6JARVfb-FBg?t=78" said:
Yeah,Garnet won mostly thanks to her cool head and experience fighting in different environments, which allowed her to use her surroundings to defeat Jasper, or at least knock her out temporarily while they escaped.
One thing I appreciate about Jasper is how dumb the writers made her. She lost all of her fights because of her recklessness, and she doesn't have the wits our cunning to manipulate people. She's actually really endearing in that sense.
It also makes pink diamond an even more tragic figure that even vicious brute like Jasper would get so upset over her death.
It also makes pink diamond an even more tragic figure that even vicious brute like Jasper would get so upset over her death.
Gems are indoctrinated from creation into submitting to their diamonds, i wouldn't think the connection would mean anything regarding PD's personality or character.
I don't know about that. We know that strength is pretty much Jasper's most important value, yet she shows no shame in her loyalty to PD, a gem who was killed by an earth born soldier. Maybe it 's just her programming talking, but as we've seen with peridot, gems can turn on their diamonds when they fail to live up to expectations.
I know that doesn't say anything about PD specifically, but it just reminds me of Pearl's devotion to Rose's memory.
Kai Dracon
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That we've only seen Yellow Diamond so far does make me wonder. YD is the military leader of homeworld, and displays the pre-requisite attitude: no-nonsense, purely goal oriented, gruff and little sympathy for anyone who gets in her way.
We don't know what the personality of the other diamonds is like. Obviously they're rulers who have created a society which is too strict and repressive, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're evil or have no capacity for compassion. (And it's rare in Steven Universe for any character to be entirely unsympathetic.)
Because it has been established that Gems are created knowing their singular purpose and immediately perform that function, who is to say that the Diamonds are not the same way? They didn't become oppressive rulers because they were evil and took control, they were made to be that kind of ruler and are only doing what they believe they have to do. Because of this I've had a sneaking suspicion that Pink Diamond, if she is ever revealed via flashback, may be portrayed as a sympathetic ruler, especially since Earth originally seems to have been intended as a peaceful and benign colony. Most Gem ruins look like places for artists, philosophers, and thinkers.
From that the tragedy of Rose shattering PD might be that it was purely a tactical decision, not because PD herself was actually bad - Pink Diamond was just the focal point for local authority. And realizing this after the fact is what taught Rose she'd made a terrible mistake.
We don't know what the personality of the other diamonds is like. Obviously they're rulers who have created a society which is too strict and repressive, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're evil or have no capacity for compassion. (And it's rare in Steven Universe for any character to be entirely unsympathetic.)
Because it has been established that Gems are created knowing their singular purpose and immediately perform that function, who is to say that the Diamonds are not the same way? They didn't become oppressive rulers because they were evil and took control, they were made to be that kind of ruler and are only doing what they believe they have to do. Because of this I've had a sneaking suspicion that Pink Diamond, if she is ever revealed via flashback, may be portrayed as a sympathetic ruler, especially since Earth originally seems to have been intended as a peaceful and benign colony. Most Gem ruins look like places for artists, philosophers, and thinkers.
From that the tragedy of Rose shattering PD might be that it was purely a tactical decision, not because PD herself was actually bad - Pink Diamond was just the focal point for local authority. And realizing this after the fact is what taught Rose she'd made a terrible mistake.
Kor of Memory
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Didn't we get hints at Blue Diamond in The Answer?
TheGreatDirector
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Yellow Diamond obviously is more prone to emotions as she defied logic to satisfy her own personal wish of getting rid of Earth. Blue Diamond got pissed off that Sapphire's vision was wrong and that they fused but decided to punish Ruby instead.
My guess is White Diamond, who I assume from the murals is the leader, is a completely emotionless Gem. I assume she is focused soley on the goal of expanding Homeworld's power and territory and won't tolerate any differences.
I'm betting Pink Diamond, who is all but confirmed to be the youngest of the Diamonds, did something terrible for personal reasons which is what ultimately pushed Rose into killing her rather than finding another solution.
My guess is White Diamond, who I assume from the murals is the leader, is a completely emotionless Gem. I assume she is focused soley on the goal of expanding Homeworld's power and territory and won't tolerate any differences.
I'm betting Pink Diamond, who is all but confirmed to be the youngest of the Diamonds, did something terrible for personal reasons which is what ultimately pushed Rose into killing her rather than finding another solution.
User 73706
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A theory on tumblr also posited that the pyramid mural could be indicating that White Diamond, being the ultimate final boss chessmaster big bad of the series, was actually the one who shattered Pink Diamond (possibly for being too soft or compassionate with earth?) but made it look like Rose shattered her, even to Rose herself. We clearly get a lot of cues that Gems (esp. Rose) can be manipulative, so Rose trying to give the Diamond Authority Pink Diamond's gem after poofing her was originally as far as Rose wanted to go in the name of defending Earth - but White Diamond made a power play and basically sparked the entire extended Battle for Earth conflict and demonized Rose without allowing the Diamonds to appear weak or compassionate.
KenzinFive
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Blue Diamond was all about shattering Ruby for "fusing with a member of her court," so we can safely assume she's still an asshole.
I think Pink Diamond will end up having been a loving dictator who cared about Earth and her Gems...but at the end of the day, she still wanted to turn it into a colony, rule over her Gems and not give them freedom. It's like the "kindly slave owner" archetype. Sure, they're "nice" to their slaves, but they still fucking own slaves and don't want to give them up.
Pink Diamond was "nice," but she had to go if the Rebellion was going to save Earth and give Gems their freedom. That's part of the reason why Rose is so broken up about it.
Kor of Memory
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Ehh, I kind of hope at least one of the diamonds has a more apathetic tone to her.
If Pink Diamond was the youngest, she also might of had that "Something to prove" attitude, and wanted to destroy earth just to show off that she could.
If Pink Diamond was the youngest, she also might of had that "Something to prove" attitude, and wanted to destroy earth just to show off that she could.
TheGreatDirector
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Yeah, I'm getting the feeling Pink Diamond was impulsive due to her lack of experience.
Kor of Memory
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I find it interesting that of all the diamond murals on the moon, she's the only one that didn't have multiple planets surrounding her. I wonder if Earth was all she had.
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I think there's enough evidence to say that PD was either a newbie or the lowest diamond in the hierarchy. Her mural much more simple compared to the other three, and it only has one planet adorning it. Furthermore, her color is on the bottom of the old diamond insignia.
In contrast, blue and yellow are just about equal as far as planets and decorations, and their colors are side by side.
To add more speculation, White Diamond's mural has the most planets, the most decorations, and her color is on the top of the insignia. On top of that, her mural is the only one that doesn't face to the left.
In contrast, blue and yellow are just about equal as far as planets and decorations, and their colors are side by side.
To add more speculation, White Diamond's mural has the most planets, the most decorations, and her color is on the top of the insignia. On top of that, her mural is the only one that doesn't face to the left.
KenzinFive
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I'm pretty sure that's the case. Looking at the mural again, it also looks like she's leaping up as if she's bursting out of the ground. The other Diamonds are stationary. That could be another clue that she's a recently formed Diamond. If the Diamonds are actually close to one another, then it would make sense that they would react to Rose killing their baby "sister" VERY poorly.
Going off of timelines, she wasn't shattered at the start of the rebellion though. Peridot mentions that the Beta Kindergarten was hastily made halfway during the rebellion, and Jasper refers to Pink Diamond as "her diamond". That would mean that PD was still alive when Jasper was formed, or the other Diamonds used propaganda to sell PD as a martyr to all the Gems created on Earth. I think the former is more likely, and honestly more tragic for Jasper.
Kor of Memory
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There was something very well done about Jasper's corruption when she starts screaming "My Diamond! Pink Diamond!"
It seems like Jasper actually had some sort of emotional attachment, granted she had just been defeated and was literally losing herself to corruption, but I like to think that part of that emotion was from memories.
It seems like Jasper actually had some sort of emotional attachment, granted she had just been defeated and was literally losing herself to corruption, but I like to think that part of that emotion was from memories.
Corronchilejano
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So uuuuh... which Diamond did Pearl belong to?
Kor of Memory
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Well, we know Rose and Pearl weren't from Earth, so chances are NOT Pink Diamond. But I think that's about all we could guess at. Though, I am knew to the series and could be totally unaware of some things.
Based on her space suit she was likely in Pink Diamonds court.
Whether she was owned by Pink Diamond or Rose remains somewhat of a mystery.
Rose, Jasper and (likely) Pearl were all Pink Diamond.
Ruby seemed to be a grunt from (Yellow Diamond?) and Sapphire was from Blue Diamond.
Lapis is probably Blue Diamond court and Peridot is definitely from Yellow Diamond's court.
Kor of Memory
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Huh... I just noticed everyone from Blue Diamond's court seems to have a trend of hiding their eyes. Few examples but:
Blue Diamond Herself, her pearl, and Sapphire all seem to hide their eyes behind something.
Blue Diamond Herself, her pearl, and Sapphire all seem to hide their eyes behind something.
KenzinFive
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Maybe Jasper was looked down upon for coming out of the Beta Kindergarten, but Pink Diamond saw something special in her. In a way, PD was her Rose Quartz and helped her believe in herself by giving her purpose. I mean, that purpose was to fight and crush the rebellion, but Jasper has a bunch of issues.
It would be interesting if Steven talks to Jasper to learn more about Pink Diamond and gets her perspective. That's assuming Jasper comes back and gets healed...but come on, she has to come back at some point. They wouldn't have had Amethyst call her "sis" and not build upon that dynamic in the future.
Considering all of the Pearls share the same gem placement as they're masters, either she belonged to White Diamond, or another who's gem was also in their forehead.
Consider what it would feel like to be a refugee. What it's like to no longer have a home because you were on the wrong side of a civil war. She's serving a new diamond, but I'm sure pity is still shown by other gems who know what happened to Pink Diamond. Deal with that for thousands of years and you might have issues too.
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