How, that's not something Nerdleaks released is it?
PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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How, that's not something Nerdleaks released is it?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All of them.
Raiden1018
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Graphics Horse' pic?
Spot on minus bottom layer.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=58313002&postcount=1424
That one too but someone came even closer. It looked just like it almost
EDIT: Found it!
PanicFreak
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They won't even mention it.
Raiden1018
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Nerd leaks posted a picture of a waterfall hinting that there is a leak to come.
Yep. Have they posted anything else?
c'mon dude.. more like a Community account. "joke account" sounds so condescending.
wapplew
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This.
Anything lower than Scorpio won't get mention. They'll show real performance and that alone will be the arguement they make for Neo.
"God of war will run at 60 fps on Neo, $449"
Raiden1018
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joke account joke account joke account
Just kidding
This whole time and Im just finding out that its your account
wapplew
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Cancel Neo, denounce it.
THE:MILKMAN
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Sorry, mate. I didn't check the account out and thought it would be like the Kaz Hirai Twitter!
If developers' focus for Neo enhancements is largely (or exclusively) on 4K output, I will indeed be very disappointed. I want 1080p with high frame-rates and other IQ enhancements, at least as an option.
I would still be interested in a Neo for PSVR enhancements, if nothing else.
my only issue with the idea of 1080p + effects as an option is, who would bother with the 4k mode then? wouldn't everyone just opt for the 1080P + bells and whistles mode and just let their TV upscale it?
Kwansu Dudes
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My understanding is that the cpu isn't good enough for 60fps and most developers will opt for prettier graphics.f
This is my main concern. I hope every game either has an option, or you can force 1080p for games so they get the better effects sacrificing resolution. Mostly because I assume there are a lot less 4k displays out there to take advantage of the resolution anyway.
It would be incumbent upon developers to create a 4k mode that could compete favorably with an upscaled-1080p mode for players with 4k tvs.
Hopefully, most devs will give us preferences/options.
I think that has been the assumption, but I think Durante even said something against this. then again, watching the i5 PC build video on digital foundry, it sure taxed that cpu. (not sure if higher settings caused that or not, though)
I'm guessing all games will have a higher than 1080p base res and if you are on a 4k display it'll do the reconstruction while 1080p will be down sampled. Effects and framerate the same between both outputs.
Oh yes lesssgooo
wapplew
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That would be so disappointing for none 4K tv owner, what's the point?
BRocknRolla
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This is likewise what I'm guessing. 4k reconstruction is going to be the biggest push for Neo.
To push people toward a 4k future.
But they also need to differentiate from PS4, while not bringing it down too much.
Ergo, not going into details, I could imagine they'll still throw a vague "graphic technology more than 2x more powerfull than a PS4".
To which fake Kaz will tweet
"We have devlopped the PS4K for you all, who want a PS4 more than 2x as powerful, to play the same games."
serversurfer
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"Let's force 4K on users, because obviously nobody would choose it." Wut? If 4K is less desirable, why even use it, much less force it? =/
it depends on what they are trying to achieve with Neo. if they would rather Devs do 4k-ish gaming, or 1080p + better graphics. I don't think they can do both IMO
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...-games-our-dev-teams-love-what-theyre-seeing/
I'm still confused about "neo mode". Does that mean every game should look different than og ps4 from september and forward?
I'm still confused about "neo mode". Does that mean every game should look different than og ps4 from september and forward?
Improved effects, improved image quality, and more stable framerates than the standard PS4. They just won't get as much of a boost in IQ and will miss out on HDR support.
Backfoggen
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I wonder if we are going to see for real "better graphics" or if it's just small differences like PC on high vs ultra. That shit would be super hard to show and sell to people.
also a concern of mine. I don't think anyone is expecting night and day differences right? when people say "omg they gonna show god of war on neo" do they actually think they'll notice a difference on a crappy internet stream?
CloudyTuba
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IIRC
Starting on a certain date, every game released from that point on is required to have a Neo mode.
What that neo mode means for each game is up to the dev, I think. So games wont necessarily look different every time. It could mean a lot of things. It could be as simple as a framerate bump for some games I expect, for others it could mean better textures/effects/resolution/whatever.
I'm interested in seeing if Neo-mode Battlefield 1 will match the reflections and foliage of the PC version. There's a lot of shrubbery missing from the console version I noticed.
Agreed. The benefits arent as great as people might expect. It'll be a better experience but no one is going to get blown away. It's just an upgrade, and some improved aspects like resolution or framerate wont even be all that visible on an internet stream.
Makes me wonder how they're going to market the thing. Maybe they'll be pushing the 4k media angle of it pretty hard alongside the gaming stuff.
BRocknRolla
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Absolutely going to be an issue.
How do you show something off in 4k on a stream if most people are going to be watching it in resolutions much lower than that? 4k it really one of those things you have to actually see to appreciate. Kiosks at a Best Buy are likely going to be better sellers than the stream.
wapplew
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They need very high bitrate stream to show that Ultra vs high, because I can't really tell the difference on my own PC.
If that's all Neo can do for 1080p TV, why even bother.
Disagree. They know spec is important to the target market, and it can and will be marketed as the most powerful console ever. The whole point of this sku is to offer a power bump for those looking for more power - that has to be quantified.
On the conversation above re. marketing 4K over streams, do we think 4K will be the main USP here? I expect you may be seeing more general fidelity improvements offered at 1080p or other more modest resolutions than 4K. Or at least the ones they choose to showcase initially may skew in that direction rather than a pure res bump.
Pretty sure the stipulation was it has to run at least 1080p and have same or better fps that OG PS4 version. Anything after that is up to devs
I think this is exactly what it will be, except standard PS4 is medium settings and Neo will be high settings. Only gaming PCs will be capable of "ultra." It's why I never understood why so many people freaked out in the beginning about the standard PS4 becoming obsolete.
If it comes with significant frame rate improvements then I'm 100% ok with that, provided it's priced accordingly, of course.
Definitely hope it looks closer to this one. With the right finishes and colors, this could look really nice.Is this the latest drawing from that Chinese forum A9VG?
the word teraflops won't be mentioned at all. the phrase "most powerful console ever" won't be mentioned either
Omnistalgic
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Said that this morning..I wouldn't get hopes too high
Darklor01
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We will see, but I disagree. They're not going to pass up a clear run at that for a year IMO. I expect a 'the most powerful just got even more powerful' kind of tack in its positioning. Sony has never shied from releasing and hyping their specs as 'the best' even when competitors were coming later.
Well it really depends on the developer. There's twice as many resources available now so of course they do have room to improve things drastically. It just remains to be seen how feasible this is
if they really don't want to alienate standard PS4 owners, we absolutely won't see night and day differences
Raiden1018
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wapplew
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A 5TF card can play most 1080p games ultra setting at 60 fps, we just need a CPU that won't bottleneck that 5TF.
So, ultra setting not nessasory only on gaming PC.
Darklor01
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hype truck?
ROFL! Perfect
NEO is not intended to turn 30FPS games into 60FPS games. It is to enhance the GPU to better scale to 4K resolution, in line with the change to HDMI 2.0 and the push of UHD BR and HDR. They are putting everything into higher fidelity IQ, higher res, and then higher graphical presets in terms of PC like graphical updates to go in line with their 4K media push.
FPS is pretty down on the list, and this is also not intended to be a generation changing graphical upgrade, just far more refined than current PS4's capability.
I thought we had already all figured this for months now
personally I am not expecting 60fps for all games, but it's clear there are several people who are
Omnistalgic
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Lol sweet tooth is still Cool
NotSmartEnough
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I would happily opt for 1440p or 1800p resolutions in HDR, not too bothered about 60fps.
If devs use a high resolution for their render target, wouldn't they then be able to super-sample it down to 1080p for non-UHD displays, improving anti-aliasing?
If devs use a high resolution for their render target, wouldn't they then be able to super-sample it down to 1080p for non-UHD displays, improving anti-aliasing?
BRocknRolla
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Could they? Possibly. Will they? That's a whole other question.
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