Electret
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Late to the comparisons:
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I can't believe you've done this. A better comparison:
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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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I can't believe you've done this. A better comparison:
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Negotiator
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As I said, growing the 3DTV pie didn't help them, so they ditched it... I don't know why people think that 4K is going to become as ubiquitous as 1080p.
It's the same thing with DVD vs Blu-Ray: Blu-Ray never managed to become as ubiquitous as the DVD, despite the huge quality difference.
You know what? I'd rather have a 1080p60 OLED TV than a 4k30 LCD one.
Are you really sure that Xperia won't have the same fate as Vaio?That's like saying Sony shouldn't advertize their smartphones cause people buy iPhones and Samsungs anyhow...
Sony puts a lot of effort in marketing 4k TVs, of course they are going to push 4k with Neo.
Have you wondered why the Remote Play app is only available in Xperia phones? How come they don't release it for iPhones and Samsungs?
6 years ago when they still had a PC (Vaio) department, the PS3 Remote Play didn't support non-Vaio PCs. Now that they ditched the Vaio brand, the PS4 Remote Play app is available for PC & Mac computers.
Seriously, it's not that hard to understand business motives behind these moves.
If they are that desperate to push 4K, it should be for video playback only (UHD Blu-Ray, streaming services). There's no market need to push
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What have you done Proelite.
What did he do?
that's not entirely true
Theonik
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Because it already has. No-one actually made new 1080p models for 2016. In 2017 no-one will actually be making 1080p sets by 2018 all 1080p sets will be in clearance. Unlike 3D that was a way to push up adoption which it was partially successful in doing. 4K sets are replacing existing sets. And even until quite recently it was impossible to buy a good TV that wasn't 3D. It took a while to be truly abandoned.
PS5 is years away and right now there are millions of 4K TV owners who don't have consoles that are capable of outputting 2160p games.
It's the best time to start driving 4K adoption which is where the entertainment industries are headed.
StrongBlackVine
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Late to the comparisons:
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Jordan was better than Lebron period. There is no controversy.
vicious696
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take this for what it's worth but yesterday talking to little birdie in the know at COD XP, final dev kits wont go out until the Sept 7th reveal and expect NEO to be higher than the original rumored specs. Late September/Early October launch.
I've had a few other winks and nods that NEO is out in Sept/Oct this year but this was the first time I've heard specs closer to Scorpio from some one on the dev side of the fence.
I've had a few other winks and nods that NEO is out in Sept/Oct this year but this was the first time I've heard specs closer to Scorpio from some one on the dev side of the fence.
Darklor01
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Interesting, taken with a grain of salt, but lines up with some things I'd read and some recent comments.
Crimson_Gold
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This should be interesting. I'm buying one no matter what, but definitely excited to see what they show off on Wednesday
TheKastorian
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Sounds promising. We'll find out soon enough!
shinobi602
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TetraGenesis
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You're a goddamn madman bringing that shit into this thread but I fucking love you for it.
Darklor01
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So it looks like the drawings? Ugh. Not a fan, but hopefully it looks better in person."No leaks, I'm surprised"
Besides sitting on official specs, chassis drawing from production floor, weight, internal documentation...
EdReedFan20
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How soon?
Paging Bish...
Don't stop...we're a welcoming bunch here. Share more, please.
Darklor01
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I wasn't prepared for this question.
Negotiator
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Really? I remember a lot of people saying it. The MHz myth is still strong.
Back in 2000 AMD had launched a 1 GHz Athlon. It was way better than the Emotion Engine and yet, I don't remember any similar "outrage" at that time. Maybe because as I said social media didn't exist back then.
Agreed. It's a shame that a GameCube remastered game (Resident Evil) run at 30fps on consoles, while Uncharted Trilogy and TLOU (PS3 era games) run at 1080p60.
It's just lazy (single-threaded) coding.
Uncharted 4 has open maps, it's not as linear as the previous ones. It also has lots of physics & destruction. I'm pretty sure that ND could make an equally good looking open-world game if they wanted to. And it's not like we haven't seen how exclusive open-world games look & play on the PS4 (Infamous Second Son)...
My point is that programming the Jaguar to do physics & destruction has nothing to do with open-world vs linear design. It's just lazy coding. The Jaguar is not designed to be an SIMD beast like the Cell was. We have a fully programmable Radeon GPU for a reason.
Fine, you want another comparison?
There's a 3rd party studio that is the equivalent of ND/ICE Team in multiplatform development... I'm talking about DICE.
How come they deliver open games with lots of players and physics/destruction at an acceptable performance? It's because they have a tradition of low-level coding, just like ND/ICE. Is it a coincidence that studios that utilized the Cell SPUs are also able to utilize GPGPU/Async Compute? No, it's not. It's basically the same concept.
Seriously, there are no excuses in 2016, GPGPU should be a thing by now. It's a decade old technology. 10 years is enough for programmers to become accustomed to this paradigm shift.
If it's a matter of having a 2160p output, then an upscaler should suffice for games.
There are already people who believe that XB1 Slim can render 4K games... just like the XBOX 360 always had a 1080p output, despite the framebuffer being at sub-720p. Many people believed that XBOX 360 games run at 1080p compared to "inferior" 720p on the PS3.
TL;DR: the Average Joe couldn't know any better. Just give him a decent upscaler and call it a day.
I don't care where they are headed, some people say that they are headed towards VR. Doesn't mean I should invest in PSVR.
Specs close to Scorpio with a year head start is huge if true. I am sure ms will boost its specs before launch next year as well to make it the most powerful console.
I have good news for you. Nobody is forcing you to invest in anything.
Now you can sleep better at night!
But it would already be the most powerful console.
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I'd also expect that to mean the system would not be cheap. But really, if the system launches in 2016, I can't imagine it having close specs to Scorpio because Scorpio will probably have a Zen CPU while Neo would be stuck using what PS4 has. I'd believe Neo having comparable power if it launches in Q1 2017.
vpance
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Boom
Crimson_Gold
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P(s)4at ass. It has a nice ring to it
GravityInsanity
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Late to the comparisons:
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But 6 rings = 6TFlops? So it's more than 3 TFlops.
Negotiator
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Your sarcasm is uncalled for.I have good news for you. Nobody is forcing you to invest in anything.
Now you can sleep better at night!
I invested in motion gaming and now my Move controllers are collecting dust... why should I do the same mistake again?
Just because the industry is heading somewhere, doesn't mean I should follow the same route. I can just wait and see if it becomes mainstream. Do you get my drift?
uh isn't that literally what's he's saying?
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14-16nm wafer yields will improve in 2017, so I guess this makes sense. Unless both Neo and Scorpio release at the same time.
Theonik
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Yes, but then even the upcoming Scorpio would look weak so people who were holding out will just buy a Neo until the inevitable 'spec bump' by MS. The entire gamble MS is hinging on is that the 5.5-6TF of the Scorpio will look powerful enough that people don't switch to Neo and instead think jumping to Scorpio, that is already a hard sell.
e: I'm not saying they will match Scorpio, the closer they get the better as long as they don't bump the price too much.
Like I said, that's your call and you can wait. Nobody has a gun to your head.
But the 3D/motion gaming comparisons with 4K makes no sense. The TV, film and game industries aren't suddenly going to revert back to 1080p. 4K is a permanent shift, until 8K or whatever comes along.
DragonKnight
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Would love an October launch. Would make for an awesome bday gift alongside my copy of Chamber of Secrets Illustrated Edition.
Really, really hope ds3 is patched on day one. Love that game.
Really, really hope ds3 is patched on day one. Love that game.
vpance
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Doesn't matter. Once you go past 6 no one can tell the difference. Diminishing returns
-ImaginaryInsider
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"Higher than the original specs" and "closer to Scorpio" likely don't mean 5.5 teraflops, a bump of any kind puts Neo closer to Scorpio technically, and that's if it's even true.
krackerjack
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PS4
NEO
NEO
mangochutney
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That's what she said.
Late to the comparisons:
PS4:
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You dun fucked up
gundamkyoukai
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The closer Neo look to Scorpio the harder it is for MS .
Now being closer to Scorpio can mean anything so i expect a modest bump to 5.
That is if we get any bump.
You would be able to tell the difference .
The problem is that they can't make exclusive for Scorpio.
Now being closer to Scorpio can mean anything so i expect a modest bump to 5.
That is if we get any bump.
You would be able to tell the difference .
The problem is that they can't make exclusive for Scorpio.
Negotiator
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Just like Blu-Ray was meant to be a permanent shift? Everyone has a DVD player, but not everyone has a Blu-Ray one, let alone UHD.
There's something called diminishing returns... we see this phenomenon in camera megapixels as well. Technology progress is good, but if it doesn't offer something substantial compared to older technology, then the majority won't invest on it. As simple as that.
DragonKnight
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Really feel sorry for those of us who seem to be so preoccupied with Scorpio and what Microsoft is doing (speaking on the rumored power bump). However do these people manangeknowing that people exist who are better looking, stronger, smarter, etc than they are?
The only games I even expect to be taking advantage of the neo are first party games. All other games will still cater to the mass market which is the base ps4 and xb1 models.
The only games I even expect to be taking advantage of the neo are first party games. All other games will still cater to the mass market which is the base ps4 and xb1 models.
this is what i meant. ms will boost the specs even further to make it meaningful because they are hedging their bets on being the most powerful so they will try their best to be a good bit ahead because if it is minimal, not many would bother switching
This is correct. Whatever Sony do, tech will advance and get cheaper over the next year, and MS have that time to use it to come up with something more powerful. In the end, we win.
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