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[thelastword]

Who cares about the slim?

"Heres a different looking PS4! Does the exact same thing..... Ok bye!"

If Sony only had the slim, and the Neo didn't exist, there would be no PS Meeting right now.

Neo is the main event. Plus some new games me thinks.

There's VR however, and they have to show that and make a splash about it before October. Do people really think that Sony is not going to do anything to push VR.......before it's release.

Why launch it if you're not going to get people excited about it or give them an exposition where they can sample near released and very polished VR software.????

 

[Inuhanyou]

So basically, you want it to suck enough that nobody really wants it — especially you — and you also want it to be affordable in case you do want it. Sure, that seems like a reasonable set of design goals for Sony.

You think a 4.2 tflop GPU with a jaguar CPU clocked at 2.4(my own final spec) sucks? I just want it to be affordable for those looking to buy so the reception is good, i don't care about upping the graphics potential, like those obsessed with 5tflops are, when its already high to begin with, especially just to fight an invisible moving target like Scorpio, when Sony obviously has their own intentions for the device. They should stick with those intentions.

He's said as much several times.

Remember he's the one that thinks that the leaked specs are too high and doesn't want an upgrade because he doesn't want to be tempted to buy it.

I never said anything like that, and i'm surprised you are also becoming like that Robo, putting words in other people's mouths they did not say. I said i'm not interested in the thing, but i might buy it one day if my current PS4 breaks depending on the circumstances

I said i don't want an upgrade GPU wise for this unit because it would be pointless for what the machine is for, and would just have Sony take part in a perpetual spec war they are not going to win with iterative hardware.

I honestly don't care about the specs being high or low, that does not entice me towards a purchase. I want the positioning, price and marketing of this thing to be on point.

Even though Sony are winning in terms of consoles sold, and beating the other competition, i don't think they can price a unit like this however expensive they want just because they call it a premium device.

 

[Eel O'Brian]

$499 because they know they can sell every single one at that price to early adopters throughout the holidays. Will drop to a mass-friendlier price late next spring.

 

[Hawk269]

Getting my bets in before the week begins:

• The new slim PS4 will get more than passing attention. The success of the PS4 and software lineup past and future will be highlighted alongside hardware refinements like the >30% size reduction and improved WiFi. The accompanying price reduction won't be as extreme as many here would predict, most likely dropping to $299. If Sony's feeling aggressive the new retail price could be $279 but $249 is wishful thinking and $199 simply isn't realistic just yet. Availability could be immediate, definitely within a week or two.
• PSVR will be covered with one last look at the launch lineup and prominent launch window titles. No change to pricing or launch date, and any changes to Move or Camera will be minimal. Sony will emphasize that the 40 million existing owners can add PSVR as an affordable path to a compelling VR experience.
• PS4 Neo will be unveiled last with a focus on taking advantage of new display technologies. Sony will emphasize wide color gamut and high dynamic range as much as resolution. Side-by-side footage or screen shots will be shown magnified and gamut normalized to demonstrate the differences. There will be one noteworthy hardware feature that wasn't leaked which Sony has been carefully hiding, and I have only wild guesses about what that could be. We'll see current and already announced titles, but we'll also get at least one software significant announcement. Pricing is harder to pin down. I'll put my guess at $499 with availability no later than mid-November, but probably no earlier than PSVR's launch.

Kind of agree with your assessment of the PS4 Slim price. I said something similar many pages back. I think Sony is going to maintain making a good profit off of the hardware.

As far as the "secret sauce", what do you think might it be? Outside of an upclock to the GPU and CPU, what could they have added that would be beneficial?

 

[Memento]

But does it allow me to automatically preorder for Metal Gear Solid 5 Survive?

It will be the first free game of PlayStation Plus Neo, the all new PlayStation Plus subscrition, starting at $49 for 1 month (YES, THE ENTIRE MONTH FOR LESS THAN ONE NEW RETAIL RELEASE YOU HEARD IT RIGHT), $69 for 3 months and Five Hundred and Ninety Nine Dollars for 1 Year.

 

[Raiden1018]

I'll second this prediction as it's one of the few that is realistic.

Yep. Everything about this sounds realistic

 

[Memento]

Yep. Everything about this sounds realistic

How does $500 sounds realistic with the rumoured specs?

 

[inner-G]

Most of it will probably be about NGP 2 (Vita successor) and its slew of exclusive software
Then like 20 minutes of NEO stuff, including a new version of folding@home to take advantage of the baller GPU
Then they'll say "oh yeah, we also have this slim thing for the cheapasses and grandmas"

/s

 

[Raiden1018]

How does $500 sounds realistic with the rumoured specs?

Anything can change. I believe it'll be 4.5 or more TFLOPS
And plus, this is a premium console. Andrew House says this is meant to attract PC gamers. Im not betting on this being a minor upgrade

 

[Lady Gaia]

As far as the "secret sauce", what do you think might it be?

I'm honestly at a bit of a loss. I would have written it off from the random source originally cited, except I've heard exactly the same vague statement from someone with extremely close ties. The completely off-the-wall guess I included earlier in this thread, which I give stupidly long 1-in-50 odds to, is a way to chain two Neo systems in an SLI-like configuration. Everything else that comes to mind is similarly improbable, so I guess we'll just have to find out Wednesday.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Anything can change. I believe it'll be 4.5 or more TFLOPS

And plus, this is a premium console. Andrew House says this is meant to attract PC gamers. Im not betting on this being a minor upgrade

What does an upclock have to do with charging more? Your saying it makes sense for them to even price it 499 because they did a marginal upclock of the GPU that cost them nothing?

Also, i'm gonna bash my head into a wall the next time someone says the word 'premium' as an excuse for paying out of their arses.

House never said this was a unit "to attract PC gamers", he said that this was a unit to slow what would usually be considered generational fatigue as the hardware got older and games had to become more compromised. It was to slow some gamers going to PC like the 7th generation, not attract PC users over to console.

If they were actually looking to bring PC users to console, they lost before they started, because there's nothing to do for that.

 

[Dranakin]

So many deals for the Samsung UBD-K8500 and the Xbox One S...please wow me Sony so I hold off on buying a UHD BR player.

 

[Darklor01]

I'll got with Lady Gaia's predictions for the most part. All are realistic. I personally disagree with launch month, but that's semantics. Pricing, $450 is my hope for maximum, though I could see $499.99. I don't think it will be a Scorpio contending powerhouse like some wish it to be. I think that is just not Sony's goal with this one. I think it is a bumped up PS4. I've said late September and I'll stick with it thinking October being just as equally likely. I think they want it launched before PSVR.

 

[Raiden1018]

What does an upclock have to do with charging more? Your saying it makes sense for them to even price it 499 because they did a marginal upclock of the GPU that cost them nothing?

We never got grounded specs in the first place. CPU and GPU is still up in the air. Along with RAM

 

[Hispanic! At the Disco]

All this $450 and $500 talk has me worried although just speculation.

I assume its due to people's wishful thinking of a bigger spec increase? If it really is just what the leaked documents have shown, it should only be around $400? Hopefully?

 

[Inuhanyou]

We never got grounded specs in the first place. CPU and GPU is still up in the air. Along with RAM

We got grounded specs from the leak, that according to those leaks, were directly referenced as final spec. You can't get any more grounded than that.

All this $450 and $500 talk has me worried although just speculation.

I assume its due to people's wishful thinking of a bigger spec increase? If it really is just what the leaked documents have shown, it shouls only be around $400? Hopefully?

Yeah basically. What we have as a minimum spec would be very reasonable and affordable. While the slim model would also clean house and be competitive at the lower level.

 

[Memento]

All this $450 and $500 talk has me worried although just speculation.

I assume its due to people's wishful thinking of a bigger spec increase? If it really is just what the leaked documents have shown, it shouls only be around $400? Hopefully?

Hopefully

 

[Hawk269]

I'm honestly at a bit of a loss. I would have written it off from the random source originally cited, except I've heard exactly the same vague statement from someone with extremely close ties. The completely off-the-wall guess I included earlier in this thread, which I give stupidly long 1-in-50 odds to, is a way to chain two Neo systems in an SLI-like configuration. Everything else that comes to mind is similarly improbable, so I guess we'll just have to find out Wednesday.

Interesting. I been thinking of what they could add outside of the slight overclocks. Being that these things need to be planned out so far in advance and if the device does come out this year, there probably was not enough time to do something drastic. I am just not sure what could they add that would help with overall system performance. Like you said, we will know come Wednesday. I am just hoping that it does come out this year and what software (existing & new) they will have that take advantage of the capabilities.

 

[Chris_Rivera]

It will be the first free game of PlayStation Plus Neo, the all new PlayStation Plus subscrition, starting at $49 for 1 month (YES, THE ENTIRE MONTH FOR LESS THAN ONE NEW RETAIL RELEASE YOU HEARD IT RIGHT), $69 for 3 months and Five Hundred and Ninety Nine Dollars for 1 Year.

Wow, they had really put a lot of thought on that pricing structure.

 

[Raiden1018]

What does an upclock have to do with charging more? Your saying it makes sense for them to even price it 499 because they did a marginal upclock of the GPU that cost them nothing?

Also, i'm gonna bash my head into a wall the next time someone says the word 'premium' as an excuse for paying out of their arses.

House never said this was a unit "to attract PC gamers", he said that this was a unit to slow what would usually be considered generational fatigue as the hardware got older and games had to become more compromised. It was to slow some gamers going to PC like the 7th generation, not attract PC users over to console.

http://wccftech.com/playstation-4-n...nt-core-audience-gravitate-back-high-end-pcs/

As reported by The Guardian, Andrew House revealed that one of the key motivations for the PlayStation 4 Neo was to prevent the core audience from abandoning the original PlayStation 4 too soon and gravitate back to high-end PCs.

“We’ve traditionally seen that some of the core audience tends to gravitate back to high-end PCs at some point because these are the people who want the finest graphical performance. So here’s a great opportunity to have them stay within our ecosystem.”

This isnt going to be a minor upgrade.

 

[Burglekutt]

Getting my bets in before the week begins:

• The new slim PS4 will get more than passing attention. The success of the PS4 and software lineup past and future will be highlighted alongside hardware refinements like the >30% size reduction and improved WiFi. The accompanying price reduction won't be as extreme as many here would predict, most likely dropping to $299. If Sony's feeling aggressive the new retail price could be $279 but $249 is wishful thinking and $199 simply isn't realistic just yet. Availability could be immediate, definitely within a week or two.
• PSVR will be covered with one last look at the launch lineup and prominent launch window titles. No change to pricing or launch date, and any changes to Move or Camera will be minimal. Sony will emphasize that the 40 million existing owners can add PSVR as an affordable path to a compelling VR experience.
• PS4 Neo will be unveiled last with a focus on taking advantage of new display technologies. Sony will emphasize wide color gamut and high dynamic range as much as resolution. Side-by-side footage or screen shots will be shown magnified and gamut normalized to demonstrate the differences. There will be one noteworthy hardware feature that wasn't leaked which Sony has been carefully hiding, and I have only wild guesses about what that could be. We'll see current and already announced titles, but we'll also get at least one software significant announcement. Pricing is harder to pin down. I'll put my guess at $499 with availability no later than mid-November, but probably no earlier than PSVR's launch.

This sounds about right to me. I expect the tone of the meeting to be about the playstation brand in its entirety, as opposed to a particular reveal. In that regard, I expect to hear not just about neo and slim but also about psvr, how ps now works on pc and the vision for the future for the playstation brand.

 

[Inuhanyou]

http://wccftech.com/playstation-4-n...e saying that they were attracting PC gamers?

 

[MazeHaze]

Yeah nothing about those specs would make any pc gamers switch to ps4. My 2 year old gpu and cpu smoke the leaked neo specs by a wide margin.

Still want a neo to replace my ps4 tho, mostly to have a uhd player.

 

[Raiden1018]

Its going to be a marginal upgrade just based on the parts they are using outside of the GPU. Whether they were to upclock the GPU or not doesn't really factor into that. This is not going to be a high end PC period.

Even if they upclocked the GPU to as high as they could, it would still only be a mid range GPU at this point.

Also...do you acknowledge that you were wrong about House saying that they were attracting PC gamers?

No I wasn't wrong. I worded it differently but it meant the same thing.

Also, what can we expect from the neo realistically? 60FPS? More graphical features?

 

[Chris_Rivera]

I'm honestly at a bit of a loss. I would have written it off from the random source originally cited, except I've heard exactly the same vague statement from someone with extremely close ties. The completely off-the-wall guess I included earlier in this thread, which I give stupidly long 1-in-50 odds to, is a way to chain two Neo systems in an SLI-like configuration. Everything else that comes to mind is similarly improbable, so I guess we'll just have to find out Wednesday.

Like you said, they would need some improbably magical shit to pull that off. Like a customized bus and modularized APU. A simple clustered pair of machines wouldn't have the latency to both render a frame and deliver it.

 

[Dynomutt]

So to all Gaf specialists what is the feasibility they add thunderbolt or some proprietary port that allows for external GPU enclosures?

I.E.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thewolfe/the-wolfe-supercharge-your-laptop

Or the one from Dell.

Edit: Dumb question. The QC and level of testing would be bonkers. So many variables. Can't wait till the 7th.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No I wasn't wrong. I worded it differently but it meant the same thing.

Also, what can we expect from the neo realistically? 60FPS? More graphical features?

Okay, so you don't, fine.

As for what we can expect, we can expect, much higher native resolutions, much better antialiasing methods, more refined lighting techniques and possibly more advanced graphical rendering methods that are forced to be pared back for X1 and PS4. Basically, far higher visual fidelity both from an IQ and a straight graphical perspective.

And we can expect much stabler framerates than current PS4. But i don't think expecting games to suddenly run at 60fps compared to games that run at 30 on PS4 is likely or reasonable to expect.

 

[Raiden1018]

Okay, so you don't, fine.

As for what we can expect, we can expect, much higher native resolutions, much better antialiasing methods, more refined lighting techniques and possibly more advanced graphical rendering methods that are forced to be pared back for X1 and PS4. Basically, far higher visual fidelity both from an IQ and a straight graphical perspective.

And we can expect much stabler framerates than current PS4. But i don't think expecting games to suddenly run at 60fps compared to games that run at 30 on PS4 is likely or reasonable to expect.

Thats good enough for me! Yeah maybe $499 is a little optimistic. It'll probably be $399 or $450

 

[paolo11]

Got a question. Realistically for FFXV on Neo mode, what are your expectations? Is it farfetched to expect Neo to run FFXV on 1080p stable 30fps with vastly improved IQ and AA?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Got a question. Realistically for FFXV on Neo mode, what are your expectations? Is it farfetched to expect Neo to run FFXV on 1080p stable 30fps with vastly improved IQ and AA?

Expect fluid 1440p scaled to 4k or rock solid 1080p with great AA

 

[MchugN]

I really do love keeping up with this thread. All the speculation. All the armchair analysts. The ones that shout about how it will cater to their personal preference despite reality and their irrelevance. Reality is, it is unknown. The reveal may disappoint many, but make many more happy. I bet I'll be in the happy camp regardless. I'm a sucker for new game consoles, especially from Sony.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Got a question. Realistically for FFXV on Neo mode, what are your expectations? Is it farfetched to expect Neo to run FFXV on 1080p stable 30fps with vastly improved IQ and AA?

Even with the minimum specs of PS4 NEO that we know about, it would most likely run at solid 30fps at 1080p(non variable) with a very high quality post process AA AT MINIMUM.

And that's not to take into account actual graphical upgrades to reverse a lot of the graphical downgrades needed to make the game run on X1 and PS4.

As it stands now, the game on XB1 goes between 720p and 900p(very blurry and dirty). PS4 goes between 900p and 1080p(much clearer visually from what we see in the videos but still compromised). Its actually required that games run at native 1080p minimum from the leaked documents on NEO, so that would help IQ significantly with that one thing by default. No more dropping resolution.

 

[zkorejo]

Im not expecting red dead. Simply because that is not how Rockstar does announcements. If they tease with a timer on their website that ends at psm then I will believe.

I remember being disappointed so many times for a gta v announcement.

 

[paolo11]

Even with the minimum specs of PS4 NEO that we know about, it would most likely run at solid 30fps at 1080p(non variable) with a very high quality post process AA AT MINIMUM.

And that's not to take into account actual graphical upgrades to reverse a lot of the graphical downgrades needed to make the game run on X1 and PS4.

As it stands now, the game on XB1 goes between 720p and 900p. PS4 goes between 900p and 1080p. Its actually required that games run at native 1080p minimum from the leaked documents on NEO, so that would help IQ significantly with that one thing by default.

Hmm.. I'm happy about this.

What does non variable 1080p if I may ask?

 

[jrcbandit]

Got a question. Realistically for FFXV on Neo mode, what are your expectations? Is it farfetched to expect Neo to run FFXV on 1080p stable 30fps with vastly improved IQ and AA?

It's way too much speculation until we see the Sept 7 reveal and actual 3rd party game results. There is the possibility that Neo mode will basically be 4k with HDR and that 1080p wont see much improvement other than increased frame rates (although having a consistent 30 FPS without any dips and native 1080p on all titles would still be a nice change). Also, even if Neo launch titles have great 1080p improvements with additional graphic fidelity, there is no guarantee that this will continue with 3rd party games. I can't imagine that developers will be happy having to deal with making their games run smoothly on both PS4 and Neo so minimal effort could be put forth in the future. I'm sure first party games like Uncharted 4 will get an amazing patch to try to entice buyers, but I really wonder what will happen in the future, especially Japanese developers who are still putting out PS3 and Vita versions along with the PS4 version of games.. I doubt Persona 5 will get much of a boost from Neo, especially if you don't have a 4k television.

 

[Lady Gaia]

All this $450 and $500 talk has me worried although just speculation.

I assume its due to people's wishful thinking of a bigger spec increase? If it really is just what the leaked documents have shown, it should only be around $400? Hopefully?

It's the larger and heavier case with a significantly heftier power supply that has me thinking the technology is more aggressive than the PS4 was at launch, which makes sense considering they were constrained by having a reasonable price of entry at the time and now they have the slim PS4 to cover that angle. Just that and nothing more concrete.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Hmm.. I'm happy about this.

What does non variable 1080p if I may ask?

Mind rephrasing that?

If your asking what variable res(also known as dynamic res) is, its when resolution is programmed to drop or go up depending on what is on screen to keep FPS above a certain level.

THere are certain games and engines that implement this feature because they want a strict FPS performance profile,but sometimes it doesn't help as much as it should because the game is hitting CPU bound scenarios, not GPU bound scenarios(the areas where variable res would help).

FF15 uses variable res on the consoles to keep the framerate up in certain scenarios, but a potential NEO version would have so much extra GPU power that a native 1080p game with no resolution drops is what you could expect at the absolute minimum.

 

[sense]

What does an upclock have to do with charging more? Your saying it makes sense for them to even price it 499 because they did a marginal upclock of the GPU that cost them nothing?

Also, i'm gonna bash my head into a wall the next time someone says the word 'premium' as an excuse for paying out of their arses.

House never said this was a unit "to attract PC gamers", he said that this was a unit to slow what would usually be considered generational fatigue as the hardware got older and games had to become more compromised. It was to slow some gamers going to PC like the 7th generation, not attract PC users over to console.

If they were actually looking to bring PC users to console, they lost before they started, because there's nothing to do for that.

Jesus Christ, You are dead set in your beliefs which is fine but stop speaking like you know everything that is going on or what Andrew house exactly meant with his comment... If they stick with the rumored specs then 399 makes total sense. Most people are predicting 449-499 expecting a further bump in specs in gpu and cpu. Now you may think it is not possible or parts are not available etc... but let people predict whatever they want rather than going after everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. No one is dumb enough to think they are going to charge 499 for a marginal upclock in gpu that cost them nothing.... If Sony charge 499 it will most likely be worth it.

 

[Calm waterfall]

Anyone who thinks that the Slim would not be featured and headlined like the Neo does not understand how Sony or this industry operates. The slim will replace normal PS4 at a cheaper price, which makes it more accessible to the masses. Of course it will be talked about for more than 2 minutes like people suggesting. It´s important Sony strategy, and ingrained with the design of the PS4 that it will be reduced in size and become cheaper, while being still profitable.
The Neo won´t be more than 399. Sony understand pricing nowadays, or at least the PS division does.

 

[Iacobellis]

Foxconn is just a contractor for multiple companies.
That PSP-like device might just as well be the NX and not a Sony product.

I'm just waiting until Sony's TGS conference. Could just be a Vita-3000 for all we know.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Jesus Christ, You are dead set in your beliefs which is fine but stop speaking like you know everything that is going on or what Andrew house exactly meant with his comment... If they stick with the rumored specs then 399 makes total sense. Most people are predicting 449-499 expecting a further bump in specs in gpu and cpu. Now you may think it is not possible or parts are not available etc... but let people predict whatever they want rather than going after everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. No one is dumb enough to think they are going to charge 499 for a marginal upclock in gpu that cost them nothing.... If Sony charge 499 it will most likely be worth it.

Your right. I apologize.

I've been overly aggressive ,but my defense is, that i get really into technical matters and debate and attempting to set realistic expectations even though i come off overbearing in practice, and that is not my intent when i enter a thread.

I will definitely tone it down.

 

[Irishonion]

Your right. I apologize.

I've been overly aggressive ,but my defense is, that i get really into technical matters and debate and attempting to set realistic expectations even though i come off overbearing in practice, and that is not my intent when i enter a thread.

I will definitely tone it down.

I believe your specs prediction cause you analogy of Trunks and Vegeta power wise was spot on.

 

[onQ123]

3 more days before Sony unleash Cell 2

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Is there a possibility that plus price hike was due to a lower profit margin on Neo? Maybe they upped the power while maintaining the 400 to 450 price point. Or they just wanted to up the price..

 

[Bad_Boy]

i dont think theres any point to multiple hdd skus when you can swap the hdd easy.

 

[funkystudent]

3 more days before Sony unleash Cell 2

Emotion Engine 2.0 is gonna have so many more emotions.

 

[disco potato]

Is there a possibility that plus price hike was due to a lower profit margin on Neo? Maybe they upped the power while maintaining the 400 to 450 price point. Or they just wanted to up the price..

They upped the price to match what MS was charging for the same service.

 

[duhmetree]

You are getting what you pay for. Some people don't understand that.

If the NEO costs $499 there will be close to $499 worth of tech/equipment. Once again, you are getting what you pay for. The NEO will not be $499 with a Jaguar cpu (leaked devkit).

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Sony initially sold the NEO at a break-even price.. or even at a minor loss... They stand to make money off of software and possibly even TV sales.

 

[anothertech]

i think they'd get tons of backlash with that price too, cause of the XB1's original price.

Increasing PS+'s price without any tangible benefit or concession for that increase is already having people call Sony arrogant and cocky again.

I think 449 would be the absolute limit for the tolerance of most core people looking at the NEO, and even then would have to come with something above 500GB HDD.

No. 5.5tf machine, and no one would bat an eye at $499

4.2tf and $499 would be the deal breaker. But that's as unlikely as an i7 CPU upgrade in the Neo.

4.2 $399
5.5 $499

That's my prediction.

 

[kennyamr]

No. 5.5tf machine, and no one would bat an eye at $499

4.2tf and $499 would be the deal breaker. But that's as unlikely as an i7 CPU upgrade in the Neo.

4.2 $399
5.5 $499

That's my prediction.

you can add 5.1~ $449 to the list.

those 3 options seem reasonable.

I'm still expecting a $399 or $449 price tag.
I'd love more power but I think Sony will try to lower that price to $399. I don't think they will sell it at a big loss but maybe they can provide more than 4.2 for $399.