PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)

Right before the Neo's unveil, how do you feel about the system?

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The God said:
Kill sales of what? The games? No one is going to say "I'm not buying Cyberpunk unless the grass is taller on Neo!" And for the people who will say that, I doubt pubs and devs will miss their money.
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Yes it'd kill sales. People are trading in their PS4'S for a Neo. If there's no apparent differences between versions of the game people will not buy it.

It's pretty simple really to understand. It's Alienating your userbase or customers which ever term you want to use. Some people will either jump ship or go back to the OG. The time and money they've spent on the Neo version will eat into their profits due to lost sales. It's not that hard to understand really.

It's not even just about missed sales in the short term. Devs and publishers would risk losing customers who feel they've been cheated which in turn stops then from buying future games. It's a very real threat in a business.

Games are a business. The aim of making a game is to provide entertainment and make money. Saying devs (publishers) will not miss any missed sales is plain stupid.
 
gundamkyoukai said:
That will depend on how much Neo sells IMO.
Then there also the bad press when other pubs putting in the effort .
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Sorry, I just don't see a scenario happening where there are enough Neo owners pissed about of lack of upgrades to their games to cause publishers to worry about game sales.
 
-ImaginaryInsider said:
To me, Neo is an answer to the issues Sony started to run into last generation. The generational power gap keeps shrinking, and raising the price to put in more expensive components isn't an option, $599 is not a price-point the masses will support for a console.

The 6 or 7 year console lifespan many have come to expect is not feasible with a $399 (now) underpowered console without potentially losing total relevance to the plethora of other competing devices or emerging trends aka VR or 4k.

IMO, if the PS4 could have been successfully sold at a higher price-point, we likely would have had a 2+ possibly even near 3 teraflop console at launch, and I honestly don't think in that scenario we would have ever seen a Neo type model introduced.

If the Neo is even remotely successful, I expect it to be bolted onto the normal generation model, it keeps things at the traditional price, with the traditional lifespan, while allowing them to course correct mid-generation to stay relevant.
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I think you and Crimson_Gold are on the same page. Personally, I like the mid-generation upgrade as long as it remains an option and the vanilla system can run the same system software reasonably well. If most post upgrade console released software struggles to the point where upgrade seems more necessary than optional, I would stop seeing it as "traditional" anymore.

At this point, it seems like a good option for certain types of buyers and I like it.
 
BlizzKrut said:
Do you think there will be new games there? Games we haven't seen before?
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Not sure about game(s), but there was a whisper that a new IP might show up at this event. Too low of a whisper though, so I don't fully trust it.
That being said, do not expect new IPs at this event.
 
The God said:
Kill sales of what? The games? No one is going to say "I'm not buying Cyberpunk unless the grass is taller on Neo!" And for the people who will say that, I doubt pubs and devs will miss their money.
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The market tends to reward those who are willing to put in the extra effort to differentiate themselves. You could claim nobody is going to pick what movie to see based on whether it's in color, presented in a wide format, has surround sound, or any other evolutionary metric and the market would prove you wrong. The noteworthy exception is when the underlying advancement wasn't actually compelling (it's arguable that 3D will fall into this category along with smell-o-vision and other dubious gimmicks.)

So if people like games that take advantage of newer technology, and we know they do, there will be a market and publishers will compete to satisfy that demand. HDR and wide color gamut will make games pop in a way that people haven't seen before and they'll want to share in that experience.
 
BlizzKrut said:
Wait is this confirmed? As in, actual new game announcements or just Neo graphical enhancements?
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Have you seen Sony talk hardware this gen without software to show?

Even PSVR GDC talk this year which lasted like 15 minutes had a game announcement (Battlefront VR Mission)
 
Venom Fox said:
I'm trying to tell people we live in the real world.

Which means they'll upgrade graphical features because they know it's a premium product. If consumers don't get discernable differences between OG and Neo they'll loose out on sales.

Publishers push sales and the publisher that have spoken about Neo and Scorpio are excited. The reason why is they see more sales.

I'm not talking about super advanced stuff. Just stuff that will add to the look of the game. Things the general public will notice and go "hey that looks really good". It's a simple step in selling a product. If you can grab people's attentions and make them feel this version of a game is worth it, they will buy it.

Imagine say Cyberpunk comes out and there's no difference between the OG and Neo other than a res bump? Shit storm waiting to happen and they'll kill sales.

Edit: As well. In business things constantly have to be pushed forward otherwise things become stale and die. Pushing the graphics of Neo games pushes things forwards and shows that games on there are better and people will buy it.
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I believe I understand what you're trying to say and it seems to be that publishers believe that if they can add more to their games through the power of Neo and Scorpio, they can convince more people to buy their games and thus higher profits.

If that's the case, I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree but I think this needs to be broken down a bit.

I agree with you that Neo/Scorpio mode in any 3rd-party game will be attractive to a segment of the market.

However, the people who were going to buy the game anyway but like it even more because it looks or runs better are already accounted for. If Neo/Scorpio mode didn't exist, they would still buy the game. Purely from a predictive analytics standpoint, these people are essentially money in the bank already.

The value of spending the extra effort to go above and beyond the minimum certification requirements for Neo/Scorpio will rest on the number of sales picked up from people who would otherwise NOT buy the game. In terms of key performance indicators, I strongly believe this is very high on the list.

That's not say there aren't other direct or indirect ways to measure the value of the time spent going beyond the minimum requirements, but this is a very important distinction to make when discussing Neo/Scorpio from the business view point of publishers.

As I originally mentioned, publishers will want to maximize ROI. When you're dealing with tens of millions of dollars per game in a fiercely competitive market, it's not just about passion anymore. If in a few years down the road publishers really don't feel like Neo/Scorpio are bringing in a suitable return on the time spent producing multiple certifications, then they will certainly make an issue of it with Sony and Microsoft.

What a time to be alive though, eh?
 
Lady Gaia said:
The market tends to reward those who are willing to put in the extra effort to differentiate themselves. You could claim nobody is going to pick what movie to see based on whether it's in color, presented in a wide format, has surround sound, or any other evolutionary metric and the market would prove you wrong. The noteworthy exception is when the underlying advancement wasn't actually compelling (it's arguable that 3D will fall into this category along with smell-o-vision and other dubious gimmicks.)

So if people like games that take advantage of newer technology, and we know they do, there will be a market and publishers will compete to satisfy that demand. HDR and wide color gamut will make games pop in a way that people haven't seen before and they'll want to share in that experience.
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I very much agree with this. I'dlove a TV that can provide HDR and with minimal lag, but that's not in the cards for me for a long time. For those that have one or can get one, should be awesome!
 
shinobi602 said:
You can go ahead and scratch that off your list.
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Ah poo.


My Logic was maybe EA and Sony could use this as a excuse to try and shake hands again. Andromida is the only thing EA has coming that isnt currently knee deep in Xbox marketing. And its probably time to show Andromida if they are still trying to pretend its going to hit that early 17 release date.


Maybe someone from DICE can walk out and talk about how nice Forstbite runs on NEO instead of the traditional console reveal Unreal Engine demo. Or maybe EA is awkwardly absent again like they where from the PS4 reveal.
 
FelipeMGM said:
Have you seen Sony talk hardware this gen without software to show?

Even PSVR GDC talk this year which lasted like 15 minutes had a game announcement (Battlefront VR Mission)
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There's a difference in what I said though, I meant new games, like a new installment in a series or a new IP, not just showing software already announced.
 
Venom Fox said:
Yes it'd kill sales. People are trading in their PS4'S for a Neo. If there's no apparent differences between versions of the game people will not buy it.

It's pretty simple really to understand. It's Alienating your userbase or customers which ever term you want to use. Some people will either jump ship or go back to the OG. The time and money they've spent on the Neo version will eat into their profits due to lost sales. It's not that hard to understand really.

It's not even just about missed sales in the short term. Devs and publishers would risk losing customers who feel they've been cheated which in turn stops then from buying future games. It's a very real threat in a business.

Games are a business. The aim of making a game is to provide entertainment and make money. Saying devs (publishers) will not miss any missed sales is plain stupid.
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You're basically saying everyone who upgrades to Neo will only be purchasing games that are upgraded which doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if they go back to the OG or jump ship to another platform because they'll be buying the game anyway. How can these customers feel cheated? They weren't promised that every game they have will look better or be upgraded.
 
funkystudent said:
My final predictions before shit leaks for real.

4.2tflop is the number or slightly above. (4.5 max)

$399. Late October or super early November.

A awkward amount of time spent talking about 4k movie streaming.

Games shown
Uncharted 4k
Detroit
NBA 2k
Watch Dags 2
COD + Destiny.
Some random previously PC only darling.
(and a big IF considering how attached MS and EA are) Mass Effect Andromeda.
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This is basically my prediction as well, except im hoping they also show Horizon.
 
BlizzKrut said:
There's a difference in what I said though, I meant new games, like a new installment in a series or a new IP, not just showing software already announced.
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Battlefront VR was not announced prior to that event. Its a small thing, but so was that event

I do think something will be announced tomorrow, prob from a third party like Warner or something
 
sirronoh said:
I believe I understand what you're trying to say and it seems to be that publishers believe that if they can add more to their games through the power of Neo and Scorpio, they can convince more people to buy their games and thus higher profits.

If that's the case, I somewhat agree and somewhat disagree but I think this needs to be broken down a bit.

I agree with you that Neo/Scorpio mode in any 3rd-party game will be attractive to a segment of the market.

However, the people who were going to buy the game anyway but like it even more because it looks or runs better are already accounted for. If Neo/Scorpio mode didn't exist, they would still buy the game. Purely from a predictive analytics standpoint, these people are essentially money in the bank already.

The value of spending the extra effort to go above and beyond the minimum certification requirements for Neo/Scorpio will rest on the number of sales picked up from people who would otherwise NOT buy the game. In terms of key performance indicators, I strongly believe this is very high on the list.

That's not say there aren't other direct or indirect ways to measure the value of the time spent going beyond the minimum requirements, but this is a very important distinction to make when discussing Neo/Scorpio from the business view point of publishers.

As I originally mentioned, publishers will want to maximize ROI. When you're dealing with tens of millions of dollars per game in a fiercely competitive market, it's not just about passion anymore. If in a few years down the road publishers really don't feel like Neo/Scorpio are bringing in a suitable return on the time spent producing multiple certifications, then they will certainly make an issue of it with Sony and Microsoft.

What a time to be alive though, eh?
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I recent trend in games (usually through Internet and word of mouth) is that when there's a stink there's an even bigger stink to be made so that the majority knows.

Think of all the downgrade threads etc. If people think they're being left out they'll just not buy the product. Obviously it's hard to tell whether any loss of sales will have an impact so I agree with what you're saying also. I'm banking on traditional models of business and I think with recent events in games. Batman shitshow, watchdogs downgrade, witcher downgrade, No Man's Sky etc it'll make publishers wise up and think twice about pissing people off.

Yep, what a time to be alive :)

Edit: I do agree with the ROI comments. It's definitely something which so could see games only hitting the cert requirements. We will have to see though.
Crimson_Gold said:
I don't see why it wouldn't be. Might as well let the masses get there hands on time with it
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I hope it is.
 
My final predictions:

500GB PS4 Slim: $249, available immediately
500GB PS4 Neo: $399, available October 13th

PS4 Neo's official name will be Playstation 4X, or PS4X.
 
funkystudent said:
My final predictions before shit leaks for real.

4.2tflop is the number or slightly above. (4.5 max)

$399. Late October or super early November.

A awkward amount of time spent talking about 4k movie streaming.

Games shown
Uncharted 4k
Detroit
NBA 2k
Watch Dags 2
COD + Destiny.
Some random previously PC only darling.
(and a big IF considering how attached MS and EA are) Mass Effect Andromeda.
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This seems so utterly bland yet I could completely see this going down this exactly way. Don't forget 'exclusive beta for some dull looking moba thing with space marines' or similar.
 
In a perfect world, Deep Down has been changed into a Dragon's Dogma game.

In a less perfect world, I hope Deep Down resembles what it was before it went into deep hibernation. I really liked the look and gameplay loop they were showing off. It just needs a bit of variety and a ton of RPG elements, and it would be amazing.
 
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