gundamkyoukai
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I think they will since it will be in there best interest .
Plus if not that hard certain devs will put in the extra work like DICE for eg .
PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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I think they will since it will be in there best interest .
Plus if not that hard certain devs will put in the extra work like DICE for eg .
Although I get most multiplatforms on console, just due to the conveniences of it, and friends playing on it etc. I've occasionally considered and gone through with holding off on buying a game on ps4 to play on the pc, and have been burned a few times by poorly optimized pc ports making me wish I had gone for the ps4 version. The neo for me means that basically means that the times that I go for the pc version are going to be even more rare now.
whos best interest ? sony ? no one is gonna touch old releases unless they get paid
mordecaii83
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We'll see obviously, but I'm hoping it will happen.
Not trying to say one person matters or that everyone will think the same as me, just pointing out that there are people who would use NEO as a reason to buy more PS4 games.
Then I think in terms of hardware we know exactly what will be presented tomorrow.
Primethius
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I think some will, but not most.
Studios like CDPr I can see because they are super receptive to the fans and it seems right up their alley.
Most others, I expect will do the minimum required of the Neo mode requirement and be done with it.
Darklor01
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The only reason I think it is a one off is because of comments that Sony have said that there will continue to be traditional generations of their console.
That's why I think this one is to fix some unstated issue.
It may result in a more iterative structure if it is successful. If marginally successful, maybe not.
To patch old games for a system that even Sony doesn't expect to set the world on fire?
For new games, perhaps, if it turns out to be not that hard but I still doubt existing games from 3rd party will do that unless Sony begged them and offered some cash.
gundamkyoukai
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For 3rd parties and Sony .
Certain people might buy a game \dlc if the performance gets better .
Of course this going to depend on the game , it's legs and the company .
vpance
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Actually I didn't mean to come across as sarcastic, lol. There's definitely many like yourself who are on the fence.
Crimson_Gold
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I believe the traditional structure will be maintained, but seeing product refreshes will become more common. Many have suggested the neo as the baseline once the PS5 is released and I can see that happening. A new console every 3 years with 6 years of support.
mordecaii83
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No worries, hard to tell sometimes around here lol!
gundamkyoukai
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Yeah this what i expect also .
It will depend on the games legs and company for the older games.
Still i do expect some but not most will do it .
EDIT another point i forget is if certain pubs do it and put effort into it makes other pubs look bad if they don't .
LifEndz
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Maybe RDR "remastered" and available tomorrow following the conference on PSN?
For the conference, I'd love a and a showing of the Neo versions of Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne.
So excited I took tomorrow off!
wapplew
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Sucker punch game have to save for next E3, or else no more new first party game announcement left.
Calm waterfall
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If anyone here watched the Vita and PS4 announcements, you would know the first 15 minutes will be gibberish lol.
TLOU2? Bloodborne 2?
gundamkyoukai
Member
We could see something from ND next year E3.
Also if i remember right was there not a rumour that FROM making another game for Sony .
Also maybe Sony Japan will give us a big AAA game for E3 lol .
Jesus. Some of you actually think devs will just leave the games at either 1080p or 4K up scaled and call it a day? You guys clearly don't know ANYTHING about what gets devs excited or what publishers want.
I recommend that you either speak to a few devs first before commenting. Easily done by twitter or if you know them then message them etc. In regards to publishers it should be easy to know what they want.
Do the above and then come back to me and tell me with a straight face that devs will do what you're claiming.
I recommend that you either speak to a few devs first before commenting. Easily done by twitter or if you know them then message them etc. In regards to publishers it should be easy to know what they want.
Do the above and then come back to me and tell me with a straight face that devs will do what you're claiming.
YuriLowell
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Did they say that all of the E3 demos were running on current PS4s?
Remember when people found it disgusting that publishers didn't optimise their games for the higher powered console (PS4)? Guess not any more.
Crimson_Gold
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Yes. Several times
TheKastorian
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Yes.
schaft0620
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You still have PSX, and E3 next year.
mejin
Member
Yep. Just because you don't know about future projects it doesn't mean they don't exist.
We live in the real world. At the end of the day, game development is a business, regardless of how exciting new tech is. Publishers want to see returns on their investments or they won't invest in the future. Maximizing ROI means they'll do whatever they believe they can get away with to not hurt future profits.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I can see that too, but is that "traditional" anymore then?
Crimson_Gold
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I believe so. In 3 years time comes the PS5. There'll be support for Neo, but we often see support for previous consoles as the new generation starts up anyway. Once neo is phased out we have pS5 and neo 2. Keep the cycle going and allow for generational advancement and within generation advancement to take place.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I just think more frequent console releases is a step backwards. I applauded Sony's stance last gen when they touted a 10 year lifecycle for the PS3 (7 yr span between PS3 and PS4 release).
I just don't get the iterative hardware strategy, so I will need to see how everything plays out before I get on board. It just seems to be a wrong move when Apple reported a drop in iPhone sales this year. Making PS Now more attractive to consumers seems to be the smarter play to remain profitable.
For me, last gen was the best time to be a console gamer. This gen, it's the best time to be a PC gamer.
-ImaginaryInsider
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To me, Neo is an answer to the issues Sony started to run into last generation. The generational power gap keeps shrinking, and raising the price to put in more expensive components isn't an option, $599 is not a price-point the masses will support for a console.
The 6 or 7 year console lifespan many have come to expect is not feasible with a $399 (now) underpowered console without potentially losing total relevance to the plethora of other competing devices or emerging trends aka VR or 4k.
IMO, if the PS4 could have been successfully sold at a higher price-point, we likely would have had a 2+ possibly even near 3 teraflop console at launch, and I honestly don't think in that scenario we would have ever seen a Neo type model introduced.
If the Neo is even remotely successful, I expect it to be bolted onto the normal generation model, it keeps things at the traditional price, with the traditional lifespan, while allowing them to course correct mid-generation to stay relevant.
gotstrangepowers
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Will the Neo definitely support HDR?
I'm trying to tell people we live in the real world.
Which means they'll upgrade graphical features because they know it's a premium product. If consumers don't get discernable differences between OG and Neo they'll loose out on sales.
Publishers push sales and the publisher that have spoken about Neo and Scorpio are excited. The reason why is they see more sales.
I'm not talking about super advanced stuff. Just stuff that will add to the look of the game. Things the general public will notice and go "hey that looks really good". It's a simple step in selling a product. If you can grab people's attentions and make them feel this version of a game is worth it, they will buy it.
Imagine say Cyberpunk comes out and there's no difference between the OG and Neo other than a res bump? Shit storm waiting to happen and they'll kill sales.
Edit: As well. In business things constantly have to be pushed forward otherwise things become stale and die. Pushing the graphics of Neo games pushes things forwards and shows that games on there are better and people will buy it.
Plague Doctor
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I may make the plunge then depending on price and final specs. We will see.
ShadowKingpin
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The day that new consoles are announced, aren't they available for pre-order the next day?
No reason for it not to. Even Xbox One S supports it and developers are including HDR support in their games, so yeah, Neo has to.
Kill sales of what? The games? No one is going to say "I'm not buying Cyberpunk unless the grass is taller on Neo!" And for the people who will say that, I doubt pubs and devs will miss their money.
Bitch Pudding
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Definitly? No. But a one-legged squirrel has much higher chances of surviving a crossing of a German Autobahn than Neo not getting HDR support.
Theonik
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Well. No-one expected most third parties would patch. New games are required to offer neo support. There is a select few first party games that will be patched. And some like the witcher 3 that seem likely for third party.
That's not 100% certain. The PDF leaked relatively recently, but is really old by now, much older than the leak. That's how we know about the neo existing and where 4.2TF comes from. Insiders have talked of possible boosts to this spec hence speculation. Boosting clocks to say support 5TF is realistic but we don't know. 1 day left either way.
DeadlyVirus
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The Matrix: Path of Neo Remastered.
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Heard it here first
gotstrangepowers
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Heh, I was getting nervous about my TV purchase after not finding confirmation. I thought it was in the Giant Bomb leak.
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gundamkyoukai
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That will depend on how much Neo sells IMO.
Then there also the bad press when other pubs putting in the effort .
Cory Barlog has already said we won't see the game for the rest of the year.
It's highly unlikely you'll see anything far away like GoW, Spider-Man, or Day's Gone tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/corybarlog/status/771003861230379008
funkystudent
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My final predictions before shit leaks for real.
4.2tflop is the number or slightly above. (4.5 max)
$399. Late October or super early November.
A awkward amount of time spent talking about 4k movie streaming.
Games shown
Uncharted 4k
Detroit
NBA 2k
Watch Dags 2
COD + Destiny.
Some random previously PC only darling.
(and a big IF considering how attached MS and EA are) Mass Effect Andromeda.
4.2tflop is the number or slightly above. (4.5 max)
$399. Late October or super early November.
A awkward amount of time spent talking about 4k movie streaming.
Games shown
Uncharted 4k
Detroit
NBA 2k
Watch Dags 2
COD + Destiny.
Some random previously PC only darling.
(and a big IF considering how attached MS and EA are) Mass Effect Andromeda.
Off-Kilter
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Are we expecting any game announcements or just Neo and sales talk?
Do you think there will be new games there? Games we haven't seen before?
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