Fox News reporter: Hillary Clinton left 9/11 ceremony with 'medical episode'
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Rabbi_Vole
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I hope she reads this.
Anyone who faints in 80 degree weather and low humidity isn't healthy. That's kinda obvious, no?
Yup. And people are unsophisticated enough to hear a line like that and think, "wow, that's true, her tendency to overheat would be a threat to national security."
I don't think the argument is that she is dying. The argument is that this episode will hurt her public perception and might give Trump an edge.
Lord Frieza
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The attempt to bring back panic and fear-monging to the political threads is sad. I'm getting a very pre-DNC feel from the posting lately, and much like then, it's based on misinformation, kneejerk reaction, and just plain silliness.
Do people just forget the primaries existed? She debated during them. She'll be fine.
Do people just forget the primaries existed? She debated during them. She'll be fine.
You Are Viewtiful
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I've fainted in 30C/86F before.
RocknRola
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Well...shit. Did nto know things could get so bad with the media :S
Good luck dudes, you're gonna need! And the rest of the world too, nobody wants a wannabe Putin running the US.
Extra Sauce
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Seems like wearing a pantsuit on top of a bulletproof vest would be an aggravating factor there.
entremet
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Confirmation bias mixed with alt-right bullshit is pretty gross to witness. Stop gloating.
It's been hot as hell in NYC this weekend, but it seems to have cooled off somewhat this morning. But I'm sure as shit not going outside in a pantsuit.
TheLostBigBoss
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I like how this thread has turned into a hotly contested debate on local weather
Pamplemousse
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Yeah, taking 14 hour naps. She's a wild one.
Already Torn
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The primaries happened before we all realized that she's been at death's door for years now.
excelsiorlef
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Anything to prove she's dying... *sigh*
If it was just this, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But her health was already constantly being talked about. She just recently had a several minute long cough spell. MSNBC is talking right now about how she had blood clots. If she keeps having issues, Trump is winning.
Fantastical
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There is no way a nominee for the next president of the United States left a 9/11 memorial unless it was something serious.
Mental Atrophy
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Well, if it comes down to it then you guys can vote for me when Hillary completely melts in 85F weather. I promise not to blow anything really important up.
shadowsdarknes
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I don't think those comparisons are apples to apples.
Obama being a secret Kenyan Muslim really only scares those who are truly xenophobic.
Hillary being potentially in poor health can scare anyone. And while it's clear that the conclusions about her health are coming from some terrible evidence, an event like this is indeed playing into their narrative.
This is not something I'd want all over the Monday morning news.
broncobuster
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Can somebody please breakdown this conspiracy du jour? Reads as if folks believe she's got a terminal illness. That's too silly to be what it is actually about.
exmachina64
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Sure, this could be signs of a greater illness, but your reaction is exactly what Trump is aiming for. Trump has no evidence or idea whether Hillary actually has an illness.
I could believe that.
In American politics, there are all sorts of unwritten rules about what you can or can't say about your opponent, what you can or can't do, etc. That all depended on being part of "the establishment" and being conditioned; examples of this are Hillary, Jeb, and Rubio. In addition, there's lot of coded language -- e.g. black women on welfare are "welfare queens."
On top of being generally incompetent, Trump isn't aware of these rules and norms. So when Trump entered the race and built large parts of his campaign on personal attacks, Republican voters praised him for "not being afraid to speak his mind" and "saying what he means." A traditional politician would say "my opponent's policies aren't the best policies for minorities," whereas Trump literally says "Hillary Clinton is a bigot!"
All of this is to say: yes (to your questions). People are actually falling for Trump's tactics regarding her health. If Hillary Clinton actually was seriously ill, the party leadership would know and she (most likely) wouldn't be running for president. However, all politicians are held to unrealistic standards and one bout of illness becomes a confirmation of Trump's spurious attacks. The U.S. media has lot their ability to mitigate this sort of thing, so they just feed into it for ratings.
This is actually what this is about.
It may be a strike against the lizard theory, but it is a check mark on the theory that she is a robot. First her "malfunction" and her constantly assuring people that she is human, and now she overheats? I guess she needs a better liquid cooling system for her cpus.
To be fair, it's more controversial than the actual topic.
TheLostBigBoss
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"If Clinton faints and gets one more concussion, she dies! Lets make sure that doesn't happen team! Goooooooo Secret Service!"
No one is saying she's dying.
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aygomyownroad
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Overheated? That's not good news as from the weather it didn't seem that hot in New York.
This isn't a good look for her, Trump looks like he is caring about 9/11 a lot more. I hope he doesn't win but this isn't great about her health
This isn't a good look for her, Trump looks like he is caring about 9/11 a lot more. I hope he doesn't win but this isn't great about her health
She needs to put a fan on that CPU.
TrueSpartan
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Well to be fair, over-heating and or fainting are serious medical episodes. So in that in case she and her team made the right call by leaving.
Maintenance
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26-27°C isn't hot, plus it's dry.
Right now it's 26°C here and it is a cool day.
Right now it's 26°C here and it is a cool day.
Aaronology
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The health and physical fitness of the person tasked with leading the nation for four to eight years is a legitimate issue.
There are two concerns I have right now. Clinton's actual health and the political ramifications of her appearing to be unhealthy on 9/11. On the former, none of us know anything and speculation ranging from weather to the common cold does not particularly reassure me. On the latter, there is going to be fallout from this and that is an unavoidable reality of the situation.
Until more information surfaces I will remain cautiously calm. I am worried, though.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Who? Who in this thread is saying these things in order to try and prove she's "dying"? Name and shame.
Already Torn
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80 degrees isn't hot at all (it's pretty pleasant), but I could see how it could be pretty bad when you add in stress and formal clothing and the heat from all the machines are cars and shit you have in a city.
Clockwork5
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No. The first page of this thread is gross to witness.
Lord Frieza
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It depends on the situation, really. You have to factor in things like stress, what she had done for the day, overall rest being getting, etc. Overheating or "fainting" (has been confirmed she actually fainted? I'm not sure, I'm seeing conflicting posting) isn't necessarily a sign of bad health per say.
Rabbi_Vole
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IF her health is an issue, I see us with either Kaine or Pence as our next president. If it truly is bad, but she still wins, she'll bow out and let Kaine take the reigns. If Trump wins, I foresee a quick resignation.
IIRC he was immediately impeached and thrown in jail. America don't play when it comes to health issues. Much less for folks in their late 60s
I imagine that ceremony had a proper beginning and end.
TheCochese
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The uneducated public does not give a shit about VP candidates. They look at the name on the masthead and make a split-second decision. If the narrative is pushed that Clinton is weak and Trump is strong, they vote for Trump.
Too many of you look at your own situation and think it applies for everyone. As a former die-hard Republican, Rush-listening, Fox-watching white boy, listen to what I say. If all three networks run stories about Clinton's health, it's absolutely something that will sway voters, particulalry those who are undecided.
This is probably nothing. It's not a good look, and will play into perception to the unwashed masses. This isn't something to brush off and say it won't matter. Nothing has really stuck to Trump, and Clinton's relatively clean campaign has been covered for every seemingly innocuous transgression. This will be in the news cycle for awhile.
excelsiorlef
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Y'all are acting like it... hyperbole... y'all are acting like this is a sign of some seriousness illness and not say a wee bit of exhaustion.
Coughing and now taking a rest and people are calling it the end of her campaign.
Triplicates
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I assume it must have been serious because otherwise it would have clearly been preferable to power through it. From the standpoint of the optics, leaving before the end of the 9/11 memorial should have been avoided at all costs.
entremet
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It was started by an alt right media personality named Mike Cernovich.
It spread to Drudge, Alex Jones, Dr. Drew, and then Fox News.
Hillary had a recent coughing fit and now this and the kindling of the theory continues.
Hillary overheated during the terror attacks on 9/11, showing she is unfit to be commander in chief. She will resume her campaign from a temperature-regulating chamber like Mrs. Freeze.
Meanwhile Donald Trump becomes The Human Torch, burning away all the minorities in his path and using their ashes to build a wall.
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Care to include why? Fox News is an arm of the Trump Campaign.
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