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[Leona Lewis]

Sigh. Yeah. It's hard to disagree.

Man. This bums me out.

It'll blow over a lot quicker than it might appear right now.

Hillary's already recovering nicely as her casual jaunt this afternoon after some Chelsea R&R showed, and she'll quickly emerge from her Batman-esque antechamber as limber as a wild Beyonce on a Super Bowl stage.

Once she does, the media can only carry on this sad narrative to the detriment of its own legitimacy.

But then again, the media hasn't cared much about its legitimacy lately.

 

[royalan]

It is very odd. Pneumonia at 68 is no joke. AND she had campaign stuff planned for this week? Doesn't seem smart for the campaign (because she's hiding something) OR her health.

"Walking Pneumonia" has been detailed over a dozen times in thread.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

You know, if it were anyone but Donald Trump on the opposite side, I bet they would actually try to keep a shred of decency and classiness and wish her for a full recovery. But there is no way Trump will do that, now is there?

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

'Dilbert' author Scott Adams: "Hillary Clinton just became unelectable."

 

[starmud]

Is it really that shocking they would have preferred to not announce she's currently sick? Especially given the crazy shit from trumps side

I've only had it once and spent it in bed, I was in my younger 20's. I think she's doing just fine...

 

[RaidenZR]

Here's the thing, I don't think it's that simple.

Around 3 million Americans get pneumonia each year. Millions more get colds and the flu every year and still have to get up every day and go to work, take care of the kids, and fulfill everyday obligations despite being sick. This idea that you should never get sick, or that you should relax and stay in bed when you are sick is a reality millions of Americans have not experienced. It sucks, but this is a very humanizing moment for Hillary. She gets sick just like the rest of us humans.

Nobody who has ever gotten sick would like or be receptive to the idea that they are permanently incapable because of it.

If Trump attacks Hillary for getting pneumonia, he runs the very real risk of being painted as an out-of-touch bully without a heart. And you could be sure the Clinton campaign would go in full force with that narrative.

We'll see what happens tomorrow, but I somehow doubt that even Trump will touch this. At least, not in the heavy-handed way he usually does.

You all are trying to convince yourselves. Think of everything that has been said by Trump in the past year that would have and should have been campaign-ending, if not reputation-ending, by any other individual. From other politicians in his own party, to the Khans, to veterans, judges, etc... Trump isn't going to suddenly censor himself to be a nice and decent human being towards his main opponent now that a vulnerability is on video. The man has exhibited vile behavior on a weekly basis, what makes you think that suddenly this is THE taboo issue? Because in the spectrum of things that have happened, it's absolutely not going to be taboo for him.

 

[HariKari]

'Dilbert' author Scott Adams: "Hillary Clinton just became unelectable."

He's reading into it too much. But the general point that she has more to lose and be chipped away than Trump (who basically bathes in controversy) isn't wrong. This isn't a bright moment for her campaign. Hardly the death knell either.

 

[Lord Frieza]

'Dilbert' author Scott Adams: "Hillary Clinton just became unelectable."

Well, if the author of Dilbert says it, I am convinced.

 

[BennyBlanco]

You know, if it were anyone but Donald Trump on the opposite side, I bet they would actually try to keep a shred of decency and classiness and wish her for a full recovery. But there is no way Trump will do that, now is there?

I really doubt it. The guy just can't help himself.

It would be the smartest course of action though. The media is blowing this up as it is and people are going nuts on social media. There is really nothing he could say that would score him any points with anyone besides what you described.

 

[echoshifting]

I posted this in the last thread but I guess I will post it again, because Scott Adams is a crazy person and nobody should care what he has to say. From his wiki:

However, Adams officially announced his endorsement of Hillary Clinton in June 2016, stating that Clinton had paired "the idea of President Trump with nuclear disaster, racism, Hitler, the Holocaust, and whatever else makes you tremble in fear" and that he would be "a top-ten assassination target" because he "wrote about his (Donald Trump's) persuasion skills in positive terms."[31]

As of July, 2016, he routinely places variants of the following disclaimer at the bottom of his posts:

"Note: I endorsed Hillary Clinton – for my personal safety – because I live in California. It isn’t safe to be viewed as a Trump supporter where I live. My politics don’t align with either candidate, but backing Clinton reduces my odds of dying at the hands of my fellow citizens. (And yes, I am 100% serious. It just happens to be funny by coincidence.)"[32]

Adams later clarified that his endorsement of Hillary Clinton was purely out of fear for his own life, saying, in part:

"Some of you watched with amusement as I endorsed Hillary Clinton for my personal safety. What you might not know is that I was completely serious. I was getting a lot of direct and indirect death threats for writing about Trump’s powers of persuasion, and I made all of that go away by endorsing Clinton. People don’t care why I am on their side. They only care that I am....If you didn’t believe me that I endorsed Clinton for my safety, perhaps the recent shooting of police officers changed your mind. That’s the sort of tragedy you expect to happen when Team Clinton frames the national debate as a race war."[33]

Adams goes on to say that writing about Donald Trump "ended my speaking career, and has already reduced my income by about 40%, as far as I can tell. But I’m in less physical danger than I was."[33]

 

[Wallach]

'Dilbert' author Scott Adams: "Hillary Clinton just became unelectable."

yeah, he's apparently looking to muscle HA Goodman out of the professional shitposting industry

 

[thepotatoman]

Even if she recovers quickly and cleanly, this isn't going to go away. It's ammunition for so much anti-Hillary press and talking points, and it's close enough to carry towards the debates. Trump and his camp are most certainly going to ride the health issue, and he'd probably even use it during the debates (in jest or otherwise) to diffuse any real points she makes.

The only worry people should have is "what if it's something worse than pneumonia", and if she goes back campaigning perfectly healthy outside a little coughing, those fears would be put to rest.

 

[Lord Frieza]

I posted this in the last thread but I guess I will post it again, because Scott Adams is a crazy person and nobody should care what he has to say. From his wiki:

Lol, holy shit. I don't know why anyone would bring him up to begin with, unless being the author of Dilbert has some kind of significance I'm unaware of. I mean, I like Dilbert and all, but it has fuck all to do with anything.

 

[royalan]

You all are trying to convince yourselves. Think of everything that has been said by Trump in the past year that would have and should have been campaign-ending, if not reputation-ending, by any other individual. From other politicians in his own party, to the Khans, to veterans, judges, etc... Trump isn't going to suddenly censor himself to be a nice and decent human being towards his main opponent now that a vulnerability is on video. The man has exhibited vile behavior on a weekly basis, what makes you think that suddenly this is THE taboo issue? Because in the spectrum of things that have happened, it's absolutely not going to be taboo for him.

You're right, this might not be taboo for Trump. He is, after all, a fucking moron with no tact or restraint.

My greater point is that I'm not so sure that attacking Hillary Clinton for getting pneumonia will help him.

Trump has been unable to poll higher than 42%. He is seen as racist and overwhelmingly negative. Attacking Hillary for something she (and millions of Americans) cannot help would only play into his negatives.

 

[Trouble]

Well, if the author of Dilbert says it, I am convinced.

You guys remember when Scott Adams tried to start a line of vegetarian burritos? Such business acumen, just like his idol Trump.

 

[RaidenZR]

So, what, you think that Hillary is just going to stand there and do nothing? Have you ever seen her debate? Do you think Trump 'spewing garbage' is really going to help him? Do you think pressing hard questions that he can't answer from her is going to help him? Do you realize that the large chunk of America 'eating this up' still has Trump trailing significantly with only an actual slim chance of winning? Do you think Trump doing the same thing that's really not gotten him anywhere in the general election is going to start magically working now? Have you been paying attention?

You misunderstand, I am not underestimating Hillary, I am just imagining the worst when it comes to the perception of what is going to transpire. She's incredibly intelligent, but that can be turned around on someone in the strangest way.

I hope your assumed version of things plays out and he is dismantled for the shuckster he is. I really do. I think I have just seen too many moments this year where he was at a podium and I was saying to myself "this is fucking crazy..." only to regretfully see it get play on news outlets the next day.

 

[FO-totality]

I posted this in the last thread but I guess I will post it again, because Scott Adams is a crazy person and nobody should care what he has to say. From his wiki:

Adams (the licensed hypnotist) must've hypnotized himself to believe that mumbo jumbo.

 

[msdstc]

I hope she can manage to get over this in a little shorter period, but a week is not horrible if it has to come to that. As long as she up and about, doing what she needs to be doing, and has a stellar performance at the debates (which I am sure of she will).

I had pneumonia a few summers ago. I was out far more than a week. The prognosis from my doctor said that with pneumonia you're not truly 100% for 2-3 months. I was down and out for about 2 weeks, and I was able to go back to every day life around the 3rd week. The prognosis was about right in that I still had the occasional coughing fit and fatigue, but for the most part I was feeling better.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I had pneumonia a few summers ago. I was out far more than a week. The prognosis from my doctor said that with pneumonia you're not truly 100% for 2-3 months. I was down and out for about 2 weeks, and I was able to go back to every day life around the 3rd week. The prognosis was about right in that I still had the occasional coughing fit and fatigue, but for the most part I was feeling better.

Pneumonias can vary a ton. I had one when I was about 13, during the summer, and was out for a few days. I was coughing and miserable but I wasn't out for weeks or anything. Before I got diagnosed my parents thought, and I swear this is true, that I was just being lazy. My mom especially, she claimed "you aren't any sicker than the cat"* .

At some point my dad did take me to the doctor, and agreed I wasn't faking it but he was still surprised at the diagnosis. He was under the impression that pneumonia was far more severe than what was ailing me. The doctor explained that there are many types of pneumonias.

* You can bet I threw that back in her face for years after I got diagnosed, lol.

 

[Lord Frieza]

You misunderstand, I am not underestimating Hillary, I am just imagining the worst when it comes to the perception of what is going to transpire. She's incredibly intelligent, but that can be turned around on someone in the strangest way.

You may not be underestimating Hillary, but you're definitely overestimating Trump. He's not a political genius, and a 1-on-1 debate is not going to be any of his strengths or advantages.

I hope your assumed version of things plays out and he is dismantled for the shuckster he is. I really do. I think I have just seen too many moments this year where he was at a podium and I was saying to myself "this is fucking crazy..." only to regretfully see it get play on news outlets the next day.

Sure, but it's really a good thing when crazy things get played on the news the next day. It reminds the block of voters he needs to actually win what he is. It may be disheartening to think he got as far as he did (though I think it will be looked at as less about Trump and more about the situation surrounding the right in later years), but we need to remember how bad he tanked in the general, and still has an overall slim chance of actually winning. Don't be complacent, as everyone says, but don't give in to panic and hyperbole either.

 

[msdstc]

Pneumonias can vary a ton. I had one when I was about 13, during the summer, and was out for a few days. I was coughing and miserable but I wasn't out for weeks or anything. Before I got diagnosed my parents thought, and I swear this is true, that I was just being lazy. My mom especially, she claimed "you aren't any sicker than the cat"* .

At some point my dad did take me to the doctor, and agreed I wasn't faking it but he was still surprised at the diagnosis. He was under the impression that pneumonia was far more severe than what was ailing me. The doctor explained that there are many types of pneumonias.

* You can bet I threw that back in her face for years after I got diagnosed, lol.

This was pretty much the exact opposite for me lol. People were telling me I was sick and I was like nahhhhh I'm fine. I went out fishing with a couple friends one night and ended up nearly collapsing. Came home and my fever had spiked to 104, had to go to the ER to see what was going on.

 

[RaidenZR]

You may not be underestimating Hillary, but you're definitely overestimating Trump. He's not a political genius, and a 1-on-1 debate is not going to be any of his strengths or advantages.

Again, I'm not complimenting Trump. These things have a way of not going the way you'd expect. On paper, Hillary should destroy him, but in reality the perception of him vs her might unravel differently the morning after.

Sure, but it's really a good thing when crazy things get played on the news the next day. It reminds the block of voters he needs to actually win what he is. It may be disheartening to think he got as far as he did (though I think it will be looked at as less about Trump and more about the situation surrounding the right in later years), but we need to remember how bad he tanked in the general, and still has an overall slim chance of actually winning. Don't be complacent, as everyone says, but don't give in to panic and hyperbole either.

Thanks for asserting I'm complacent. Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm jaded by the cycle of this particular election, but there's a big difference.

 

[Brakke]

'Dilbert' author Scott Adams: "Hillary Clinton just became unelectable."

lol this is basically the "shot themselves in the foot" GAF copy pasta, American culture (I'm an expert) edition.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I would think l hillary camp would also point to trum being sick, but no one hardly plays any of this equal on either side.

I had the flu a close of times in like a five month period. Wasn't that bad... But was super weak and my back hurt quite bad. Literally laying and asking people hey please bring me this or that. Tried working but I hurt so much my body was constantly trying to sit on things as I stood.

 

[Eusis]

No.

Well at least not because of this.

Even if Hillary dies (or this makes her freak out and resign) I half expect Kaine to win half from momentum against Trump, half because their slander machine goes off rails as they're caught flat footed against a different candidate they hadn't been trying to ruin the image of for decades.

 

[Monocle]

I posted this in the last thread but I guess I will post it again, because Scott Adams is a crazy person and nobody should care what he has to say. From his wiki:

Wow, all of the murderous douchebags that supposedly had it out for him before are gonna be totally appeased by his insincere faux-pragmatic "endorsement."

 

[Clockwork5]

"Walking Pneumonia" has been detailed over a dozen times in thread.

In spite of the fact that her physician stated she was diagnosed with "pneumonia"

 

[BanGy.nz]

how is that decided?

This is a West Wing reference. 😋

 

[Lord Frieza]

Again, I'm not complimenting Trump. These things have a way of not going the way you'd expect. On paper, Hillary should destroy him, but in reality the perception of him vs her might unravel differently the morning after.

I didn't say you were complimenting him, but you are definitely overselling his abilities and how he's been perceived this election cycle.

Thanks for asserting I'm complacent. Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm jaded by the cycle of this particular election, but there's a big difference.

I didn't say you were complacent. You misunderstand what I said there, that was a general statement.

 

[Lord Frieza]

I would think l hillary camp would also point to trum being sick, but no one hardly plays any of this equal on either side.

I had the flu a close of times in like a five month period. Wasn't that bad... But was super weak and my back hurt quite bad. Literally laying and asking people hey please bring me this or that. Tried working but I hurt so much my body was constantly trying to sit on things as I stood.

Trump isn't visibly sick, physically, so why would they point to that.

Also, the flu and pneumonia aren't really the same, though an untreated flu can lead to pneumonia depending on the situation.

 

[Drazgul]

Pennsylvania Governor Eric Baker.

Awesome, Booty Time across the USA for at least 4 years!

 

[Lord Frieza]

Even if Hillary dies (or this makes her freak out and resign) I half expect Kaine to win half from momentum against Trump, half because their slander machine goes off rails as they're caught flat footed against a different candidate they hadn't been trying to ruin the image of for decades.

Bolded 100% won't happen, the fuck...

But as for the rest of it, no, Kaine would probably be destroyed unfortunately.

 

[thepotatoman]

Even if Hillary dies (or this makes her freak out and resign) I half expect Kaine to win half from momentum against Trump, half because their slander machine goes off rails as they're caught flat footed against a different candidate they hadn't been trying to ruin the image of for decades.

Only problem is Kaine wouldn't have much time getting people to want to vote for him.

It'd be a good test for how important it is to get voters to vote against the other guy, over getting people to vote for you.

 

[Brisal73]

She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.

 

[Permanently A]

She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.

and start trusting random people on the internet :^)

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Trump isn't visibly sick, physically, so why would they point to that.

Also, the flu and pneumonia aren't really the same, though an untreated flu can lead to pneumonia depending on the situation.

If he had a cough and pneumonia?


The point.the that many posters are pointing to holes that the trumo camp shouldn't use it is silly

In my mind they should care the other and show this side as how they help the the country and world. Talk thier pints without deep insults or negativity but neither do. But both sides act like the other is wrong for doing it? Well,whatever. Just how peopke are when they like something

I'd you look at either of tier twitters half of it seems to be what the other is so wrong for or talking a lot things that against the other.

When they say we care property but then point to people they don't like rather they are this or that is not caring for the people in my eyes.

If your racist, a criminal or even worse then you still deserve help? Maybe care and support.

I'd rather try to help all people and have a president that also does the same and maybe spread that care to really make changes in the world.


Forget it, so tired of auto correct and phone use today.

 

[EatinOlives]

She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.

Unless this is a joke post, explain how you faint from "having Parkinson's". Also, please explain why the media is covering for Hillary making up random shit to hide said "Parkinson's".

 

[JeTmAn81]

There's no substantial evidence of Parkinson's or any other serious ailment. That's just baseless conjecture.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Wake up sheeple

Fixed.

This "news" would be a non issue weren't it for the GOP seed that was planted in quite a lot of heads about her having a serious health issue.

 

[MIMIC]

"Walking Pneumonia" has been detailed over a dozen times in thread.

Walking pneumonia isn't going to be the same for a 68 year old as it is a much younger person, right?

 

[Lord Frieza]

If he had a cough and pneumonia?


The point.the that many posters are pointing to holes that the trumo camp shouldn't use it is silly

In my mind they should care the other and show this side as how they help the the country and world. Talk thier pints without deep insults or negativity but neither do. But both sides act like the other is wrong for doing it? Well,whatever. Just how peopke are when they like something

Man, I really don't understand like 3/4 of the shit you post.

 

[minor effort]

She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.

But whom shall we trust?

Guide us, for we are lost.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Unless this is a joke post, explain how you faint from "having Parkinson's". Also, please explain why the media is covering for Hillary making up random shit to hide said "Parkinson's".

They could come out and say she parkinson's and these conspiracy freaks would say she has AIDS. It's this endless game with these people, anything but the published story is the real truth. So if she died tomorrow, they'd say she's not really dead like Tupac and Elvis despite claiming she's dying right now.

 

[Kathian]

Walking pneumonia isn't going to be the same for a 68 year old as it is a much younger person, right?

I'd say the whole collapsing and being unable to walk suggests it's just pneumonia. The fact she lost consciousness is quite serious and shows the concern shes pushing too hard is valid.

 

[Eusis]

Bolded 100% won't happen, the fuck...

But as for the rest of it, no, Kaine would probably be destroyed unfortunately.

Extreme situations can make a person reevaluate things, though I don't think it's likely here and it still isn't as heavy as a death in the family.

And I think the sheer vitriol against Trump would work especially against a candidate that people weren't nurtured to hate.

Only problem is Kaine wouldn't have much time getting people to want to vote for him.

It'd be a good test for how important it is to get voters to vote against the other guy, over getting people to vote for you.

True, he wouldn't get time to energize people so it'd end up more how much Trump energizes people against him to just vote the other guy in anyway. I know that's what I'd do even if some of what I've heard leaves me cold.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Extreme situations can make a person reevaluate things, though I don't think it's likely here and it still isn't as heavy as a death in the family.

I don't think you realize a 1/3 of the shit Hillary has had to endure in her political career.

 

[Sianos]

She doesn't have pneumonia.
They, aka the media should never be trusted. They originally said the cause was overheating.
Then the video came out.
Then they changed the narrative that it was pneumonia.
If it was pneumonia, why is she meeting with a little girl when leaves her daughter's apartment.

She has Parkinson's. They tried to hide it, by calling her health issues a conspiracy.
Now they are forced to report what happened because of the video.

Just now CNN started to blame Trump for not wishing her the best.

Bottom line stop trusting the mainstream media.

do you know what parkinson's is?

because if not, you need to take that L, dopa

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Man, I really don't understand like 3/4 of the shit you post.

It's simple.

If I say

I care the American people

But then I point to people I don't like

Trump, get her out of here. Get him out

Hillary she is just a racist blah blah

Then I can't take this first line of caring the American people seriously.

They care themselves and what they get, that's all.

To be fair this is how most people are, can say and do many things but in deeo reality of you see it straight it's all be and not accurate at all.

I have spent too much time letting people get or have what they want thinking of the persons view and feeling at my expense most of the time. I'm still ok with it cause I constantly consider how they feel

 

[DR2K]

At least republicans can finally say they care about a woman's health.

 

[Vagabundo]

Fuck. If there is one thing that could sink Hilary it is her health.

Luckily it happened now, she has plenty of time to recover, but if it continues or if she gets sick again then this race just got real.