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[TheGreatDirector]

Police are now using teargas on the protestors..

https://twitter.com/ESPortillo/status/778427682359050240
https://twitter.com/AdamRhew/status/778427648213131264
https://twitter.com/AdamRhew/status/778427895190519812

I'm getting déjà vu.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

And with this statement, I'm out.

Seeing as how your contibution to this thread was nothing more than #notallcops...

...Bye.

FUCK

THE

POLICE



There are no good ones.

Tell em.

 

[LiK]

At some point violent protests will be the only way to get back at these idiots and make them fear the public enough to change.

we all know sitting and kneeling doesn't work.

 

[Skittles]

can't let them black men get educated...

these fucked up stories just keep coming out

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So the actual story appears to be that:

He was in his car reading and waiting for his son when one or more non-uniformed cops rolled up on him, perhaps failing to identify themselves. As a result, he assumed the worst and grabbed his gun preparing to have to defend himself. He was then shot 4 times.

That look like about the measure of it here?

If they didn't sufficiently identify themselves, they put the safety of everyone involved in jeopardy. Poor training and discipline leading to a "worst case" scenario of their own creation that resulted in them being scared and shooting a citizen. It's inexcusable. You don't get to create a fearful environment then execute someone.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

Even the good ones? That blanket statement. We as blacks should know about that blanket statement.

Am I saying this is right? Hell no, but I'm not going to say all of them because that's a Trump.

When a black dude goes full Don Lemon in a thread.
He even tries to pull the "as a black man" bs to discredit our voices. smh

 

[Prototype Viktor]

Chris Rock was right "Nikka who taught you octagon"

 

[therealist]

Depending on the circumstances, calling the cops can yes, escalate the situation, but let's not waste time arguing about all the hypotheticals about that. But yes, until I see some change, I'm just gonna take my chances protecting myself

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

If you live in a neighborhood with a quickly responding police department that won't escalate the situation, sure!

But that's like, a lot of ifs.

 

[Aselith]

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

You're taught to call 911 as a kid so that an adult comes to help (hopefully it's an ambulance so they don't shoot nobody)

 

[FTF]

So the actual story appears to be that:

He was in his car reading and waiting for his son when one or more non-uniformed cops rolled up on him, perhaps failing to identify themselves. As a result, he assumed the worst and grabbed his gun preparing to have to defend himself. He was then shot 4 times.

That look like about the measure of it here?

If they didn't sufficiently identify themselves, they put the safety of everyone involved in jeopardy. Poor training and discipline leading to a "worst case" scenario of their own creation that resulted in them being scared and shooting a citizen. It's inexcusable. You don't get to create a fearful environment then execute someone.

Where is that bolded part info coming from?

 

[thenight11]

[sorry it seems they are r-airing the newscast from earlier

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

What you say is technically true, no one can deny it.

And yet we live in a world where this happened.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748

"Black Indianapolis man shot by cops after calling police to report robbery "

 

[rjinaz]

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

I'll teach my kids to call 911 but I'll make sure they know that cops aren't automatically the good guys. Their biggest concern is their authority and taking people to jail, not to help people. As a kid you're probably fine, but as a teen or adult, don't call the cops unless you feel it's a last resort.

 

[dankir]

Oh, black. Okay. Business as usual. Thanks cops.

Yup, sadly this is the truth.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Where is that bolded part info coming from?

his brother.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

that's an irrational fear considering 99% of black people interact with cops and don't get shot at all. That's like saying you fear muslims because some are terrorists that kill people.

99%

?

 

[Mr. X]

Where is that bolded part info coming from?

Probably because his brain is failing to comprehend he had nothing threatening but was executed by cops anyway.

Stop thinking of them as cops but instead as assassins for the state and town against the black menace.

 

[wumster3000]

When a nigga goes full Don Lemon in a thread.
He even tries to pull the "as a black man" bs to discredit our voices. smh

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

USC-fan in here like "boom boom boom" beating that drum

Heh..

 

[commedieu]

Its a black off!!!

Food for thought If you're a good police officer, you aren't included by people saying fuck cops because you're not one of them. You don't take offense to people saying police execute people, and have no accountability because you dont. Like the ex police/lawyers/judges of the national bar association, who are working on solutions for this problem we have. Included in that is my pops. They all dont go crying and taking offense to people saying fuck the justice system. There are severe problems, and they are doing their part.

This whole pearl clutching at generalizing an institution which has a proven track record of its racial problems is rubbish. Generalizing a group of people is wrong because there is data to prove otherwise. Generalizing a body if the government which had records of its behavior isnt the same thing. Same with political bodies, like the GOP. Good Leo knows what's up. And they also know they can't get out of line for fear of their own safety or careers.

Which is why people say, fuck cops.

 

[FTF]

his brother.

Ok, you worded that oddly in your post is all.

 

[rjinaz]

Its a black off!!!

lmao.

 

[Heaven Shard]

with the intent to kill.

you damn well better intend for that person to die as a result of your action.

because your intent should be to kill

But this is police training, it should be different, no? I hear a cop shooting to eliminate a threat, but not end a life. But if that shot is justified, the target may or may not die as a result. But I don't think police training is 'shoot to kill', nor should it be.

As for not firing first, even if it puts the officer at risk, I still believe in that. An officer volunteered for this job and being put in dangerous situations is is something a person signs up for. Danger is part of the job, and so you expect a cop to behave differently than a citizen using a gun for protection.

...wow, people still come into these threads to defend the police. Far too many Americans are enabling this sort of policing.

This is a completely moot and stupid point that doesn't contribute anything to the conversation. Are there people who seriously come to such discussions saying "not all people are bad" and other obvious nonsense? Of course not. We aren't talking about 'the good ones' (which I call fucking normal ones. You don't get a star for NOT killing somebody). There is a problem and it needs to be discussed. What the hell would such a stupid thing as saying 'not everyone is...' help?!

What is more infuriating is the stupid thing that some say "well, it is worse somewhere else". So because there is a more serious situation somewhere else this suddenly negate the horror that is happening over here?!

I don't understand the logical process that some people have.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Ok, you worded that oddly in your post is all.

oh np. I figured it may have been missed among the various links being posted.

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be.

:jnc

 

[metalslimer]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

Oh lord

 

[Aselith]

Its a black off!!!

I'll black you off. I could black off two dudes at the same time if I wanted. Three without my shoes on!

 

[Banana Aeon]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

Get out of here with that bullshit. That is legitimately one of the worst things you can even post.

Next time, don't go full Don Lemon mode, homie.

 

[LiK]

thread is going places.

 

[WetWaffle]

Your chances are lower protecting yourself than if you called law enforcement. There's a reason why every kid is taught to call 911 in the case of an emergency. It's historically proven to work way better than everybody fending for themselves.

You're right, it's the job of the police after all to protect others, and it's true that they're more likely to do more than the average citizen. It's too bad the current police force is nothing like the one I learned of when I was a kid. This shit is still happening, regardless of historical data. Look at Randolph's link

 

[Chie Satonaka]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

I'm so, SO glad you came back to say this.

 

[MGrant]

I'll black you off. I could black off two dudes at the same time if I wanted. Three without my shoes on!

The secret is going from the middle out.

 

[Dai101]

Son of a bitch. We going to need some super black or something.

 

[TheStruggler]

 

[wumster3000]

I'm so, SO glad you came back to say this.

I mean no disrespect to you. Obviously, we've been through things that give us a different perspective. If you feel that way, alright. But if I feel different, I get called out. Just because I don't agree with somethings, doesn't mean I don't understand.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

wumster3000 got this piece hangin on the wall tho fam

ya'll don't even qualify to discuss these matters with him.

real life stays sadder than fiction.

 

[LiK]

holy shit

 

[therealist]

What you say is technically true, no one can deny it.

And yet we live in a world where this happened.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...cops-calling-report-robbery-article-1.2762748

"Black Indianapolis man shot by cops after calling police to report robbery "

I think we are all in agreement that calling the cops would be the smart thing to do in an emergency situation. I also understand the fear of police that people can have right now.

All I'm saying really, is that when there is a imminent threat to your safety, don't think that you can handle it by yourself. Unless you can run away safely, call the cops 100% of the time. Likewise, if you see someone screaming for help, calling the cops should be one of the things you absolutely should do.

 

[VanWinkle]

I want to ask for opinions about this without sounding like I'm taking an opposing side. I'm looking for understanding. Truth is, I haven't looked into police killings and stuff a lot. I also want to say I have absolutely zero bias toward the police, and hate hearing about these killings, particularly when it comes to it unnaturally leaning towards black people, in terms of adjusted population.

I was trying to look into this a little bit just now, and I saw that, since January 1, 2015, 1,502 people have been killed by police. I'm not seeing the amount of unarmed people total but 24 of them were black men and 18 were white men. My question is, with ~1,000,000 or so police officers total, wouldn't it be fair to say that the ones that have factually shown their racism in this form in the severe minority (meaning way less than 1%)? Of course, we also know that black people are 2.5 times as likely to be shot and killed by police than white people, but looking purely at numbers, I do find it hard to condemn the police as a whole. A lot of you guys have done way more research than me on this, so I look forward to learning from that perspective, perhaps on the reasoning beyond just killings.

I was also wanting to know if you guys believe that every time an unarmed black man is killed, it's a racial crime and whether you automatically treat it is racial, or if it's just more likely to be a result of racism. And the reason that I ask is because of that fact that unarmed white men also get killed by police.

Any articles would be cool, or just your opinions. I feel like I need to be more educated on this stuff.

 

[kAmui-]

Scarier than if you are in real danger from someone trying to harm/assault you that you would be afraid of calling for help? Or if you saw someone else being assaulted would you say "no i'm not calling the cops, i'm afraid of them".

You're saying that you are more fearful of a chance that a cop is a bad one, than the certainty of whatever threat you are facing at the moment that would make you think about needing help.

Sometimes it can actually be more scary and even harmful to call the cops.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/letter-from-black-america-police-115545

 

[Opto]

Note: North Carolina is an open carry state, no permit required

 

[wumster3000]

wumster3000 got this piece hangin on the wall tho fam

ya'll don't even qualify to discuss these matters with him.

My best friend is a cop which is why I said that not all are bad. But feel free to keep on. I can take it.

I never said that this was wrong. I simply said, not all cops are bad.

 

[Krejlooc]

But this is police training, it should be different, no?

It's basic gun training. That the police are using the gun is no different. Anytime you ever fire a gun, your intent needs to be to kill, because guns are not weapons intended to merely injure.

 

[InfiniteBento]

got me fucked up

 

[Banana Aeon]

My best friend is a cop which is why I said that not all are bad. But feel free to keep on. I can take it.

Is he working to change the toxic and overtly racist system?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be.

This is now the greatest thread EVER!

 

[Wolfe]

This shit is making me cry, so fucking tired of this bullshit.

I can't even imagine how the guys family feels right now.

 

[WetWaffle]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

This reminds me of back in my freshman year of high school, when my Hispanic friend said he was "blacker" than me cause he listened to more rap music. This ain't a competition friend. We're all black.

 

[FallingEdge]

First off, please don't compare cops to race/religion. Second, if that's irrational, then fuck it, let me be irrational, black people have been killed for less(one couple was killed, sleeping in their car iirc, another was shot even though he was on the ground complying). The fact that I might end up a corpse on the ground because a cop might have a pre-conceived notion about me because of this institutionalized racism is fucking scary alright?

Race I can understand but why not religion?

 

[Forerunner]

My friend, I'm blacker than you'll ever be. You have no idea who is behind these messages. I don't know either which is why I'm respecting your opinion. I won't call you out like you did me. I'll just leave it be and hope you realize the people you speak with on message boards may have been through things that give them a different perspective than yours.

lol I'm done.