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I think missingno as a sort of emergent gameplay element that went beyond the software and became this sort of crazy urban legend that even Nintendo had to publicly acknowledge (even if it was to warn people it could mess with their game) is all sorts of cool and interesting, and also pretty unique. For a glitch in a game boy game, the fact that it's a recognizable "entity" makes it feel mysterious and appealing even today.

I'm sure neither Nintendo nor Gamefreak would ever acknowledge it in any explicit way, but I wouldn't doubt to group it with all those weird mysteries in the Pokemon series like the Luimose ghost girl, regardless of whether it was intended or not, it sort of injected the 1st gen games with that sort of flavorful weirdness I really appreciate. I wouldn't call it a meme, but if it is, it has like the coolest origin story ever.
 
Boss Doggie said:
no I was already 10 when pokemania come out so don't lecture me about it

basically I hate that old garbage being regurgitated in modern context despite all evidences that it's just a bad code, it's as bad as mew under the truck meme, it's like people intentionally referring to pluto as a planet because it's nostalgic
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Hey, just because it's not a furry bait doesn't make it a bad Pokemon.
 
Morelull looks so much better if you turn it upside down.
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It's like a spooky mushroom ghost
 
Considering how people were able to replicate missingno there wasn't really a "mystery" to it as people knew it was a code exploit, especially with all the documentation.

I mean I'm not even being an anti-genwun stuff since it is a hilarious thing to see along with type ??? and type Bird, but it just gets tiring to see UB discussion and people spewing it. It's like Harambe.
 
Boss Doggie said:
Considering how people were able to replicate missingno there wasn't really a "mystery" to it as people knew it was a code exploit, especially with all the documentation.

I mean I'm not even being an anti-genwun stuff since it is a hilarious thing to see along with type ??? and type Bird, but it just gets tiring to see UB discussion and people spewing it. It's like Harambe.
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Most kids could replicate it but they definitely didn't understand the exploit underpinning it. They built a mythology for it. In that way, it's less like Harambe and more like a piece of internet myth such as Slender Man. Since the internet was less ubiquitous the myth was shared and proliferated on playgrounds and in magazine pages and the technical truth of the glitch could only be learned online.
 
Boss Doggie said:
basically I hate that old garbage being regurgitated in modern context despite all evidences that it's just a bad code, it's as bad as mew under the truck meme, it's like people intentionally referring to pluto as a planet because it's nostalgic
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Garbage? MissingNo was probably one of the most fun glitches of all time! And probably the second most recognizable after World -1. People love that oblong block for a reason, and I'm in the camp that won't stop fighting until it's canon.

I'd rather it not be an Ultra Beast, though. I want it to simultaneously be something more powerful, while also still being catchable/trainable as a Pokemon. You could put it on your team before, and I'd love to do that again.

Wiseblade said:
Regardless, Game Freak aren't going to legitimise a glitch, especially not one that actively damaged your save file.
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Again, though, MissingNo was one of the most famous glitches of all time, and the aforementioned -1 (The one glitch that's more well-known) has already been legitimized in a legit game, too. Add in the fact that people are feeling nostalgic for RBY, SuMo is borrowing heavily from Gen 1, and MissingNo's that one vein from Gen 1 they've yet to tap, and I think now's the perfect time for it to become canon.
 
there's still hope that they won't "recognize" it because from what I've seen only American players make a big deal about it


Dimmle said:
Most kids could replicate it but they definitely didn't understand the exploit underpinning it. They built a mythology for it. In that way, it's less like Harambe and more like a piece of internet myth such as Slender Man. Since the internet was less ubiquitous the myth was shared and proliferated on playgrounds and in magazine pages and the technical truth of the glitch could only be learned online.
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that's even worse
 
Zubz said:
Again, though, MissingNo was one of the most famous glitches of all time, and the aforementioned -1 (The one glitch that's more well-known) has already been legitimized in a legit game, too. Add in the fact that people are feeling nostalgic for RBY, SuMo is borrowing heavily from Gen 1, and MissingNo's that one vein from Gen 1 they've yet to tap, and I think now's the perfect time for it to become canon.
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Again, MissingNo damaged save files just by running into it. Legitimising it runs the risk of encouraging people to encounter it in the Gen I VC releases, which wouldn't look good when save files start getting corrupted.
 
Wiseblade said:
Again, MissingNo damaged save files just by running into it. Legitimising it runs the risk of encouraging people to encounter it in the Gen I VC releases, which wouldn't look good when save files start getting corrupted.
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I'm not a fan of MissingNo either, but I don't think it makes sense to act like people are such idiots that they couldn't tell the difference between GF acknowledging MissingNo's existence, and the act of legitimizing the glitch. These are 20 year old games, a lot of these people are gonna know the risks that come with MissingNo's existence. Heck, even new players will know the risks as well with the amount of YouTube reviews, and internet coverage in general (compared to the 90s where kids had no idea what it even did to the save file).
 
Wiseblade said:
Regardless, Game Freak aren't going to legitimise a glitch, especially not one that actively damaged your save file.
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Wiseblade said:
Again, MissingNo damaged save files just by running into it. Legitimising it runs the risk of encouraging people to encounter it in the Gen I VC releases, which wouldn't look good when save files start getting corrupted.
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What do you mean by "damaged your saves"? Because this counter-myth that MissingNo was dangerous is supremely lame. The effects of MissingNo are extensively documented and characterized by millions of first-hand experiences. This whole notion of MissingNo "damaging" or "corrupting" your saves carries this completely misattributed sense of doom that is totally devoid of the MissingNo's context.

Performing the MissingNo glitch guaranteed two things: massively duplicating an item of your choice and scrambling your Hall of Fame data. This WAS the glitch. This was its entire purpose. Beyond the novelty of seeing MissingNo, which could be done without saving the game to rid yourself of its effects, this was WHY the glitch was performed.

Therefore, the supposed "corruption" so-often warned by MissingNo's critics is a completely controllable and intentional side-effect. MissingNo was a deal with the devil. It gave you infinite Master Balls or Rare Candies, but it invalidated your championship data. Since no ten year old gave a shit about the Hall of Fame, which did nothing, and the outcome of encounter MissingNo was an enormous and incomparable benefit, MissingNo was widely sought out and exploited experience.

MissingNo may have been a glitch, but it's appeal was much more akin to cheats of the day. And that's it. MissingNo was not dangerous. The language that MissingNo "corrupted" or "damaged" saves is hugely misleading because that was the whole point of the encounter.

Unless you're of the belief that MissingNo erased saves or rendered games unplayable, which simply does not happen.

MissingNo should be sought out. MissingNo should be encountered. It is an incomparable piece of gaming history and childhood lore. The effects of MissingNo on young game culture were numerous and fascinating. Everybody should experience it just to witness history.

MissingNo meant that, just once, the rumors you heard on the schoolyard of the mysterious and the impossible turned out to be true. To appreciate MissingNo, you have to see it through the eyes of a ten year old. Maybe you can't. But it was something to behold.
 
They aren't going to add MissingNo into the game as he is not and never will be a Pokémon.

He's a programming glitch born from Game Freak inexperience of Video game programming as at the time Pokémon was a very ambitious game.

Furthermore we have a glitch Pokémon in the form of Porygon-Z;

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So stop trying to make MissingNo an official part of the series when Game Freak have never acknowledge him and actively removed him from the series as it progressed with the ??? type being removed in gen 5 and the bird type in gen 3, though the Kanto remake still refer to them.
 
I agree that the idea of adding MissingNo as a literal presence in a future Pokémon game is unreasonable. But it would be nice to see it officially acknowledged for what it is. Mario games have repeatedly referenced -1. It would be nice to see MissingNo get some credit.

My dream is a trophy in Super Smash Bros.
 
Mr-Joker said:
So stop trying to make MissingNo an official part of the series when Game Freak have never acknowledge him and actively removed him from the series as it progressed with the ??? type being removed in gen 5 and the bird type in gen 3, though the Kanto remake still refer to them.
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They've never "actively" done anything with it, add or remove. It's one element that escaped beyond their control and took a life of its own. Most people would agree that MissingNo. wasn't seen as a 'glitch', or an 'item', or a 'placeholder', but as an actual Pokémon that "wasn't meant to be". Internet and extreme documentation later de-romanticized it, of course, but that doesn't change history.

I don't think Game Freak must recognize it one way or another, but the assertion that it's "garbage" or lacks value is kind of disrespectful. This endeavor to retroactively "normalize" the first generation to today's standards is pointless. Yes, it would be hard for a phenomenon like MissingNo. to be created today, but that's not a reason to not appreciate it for what it offered at the time.
 
Wiseblade said:
Again, MissingNo damaged save files just by running into it. Legitimising it runs the risk of encouraging people to encounter it in the Gen I VC releases, which wouldn't look good when save files start getting corrupted.
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... Actually, speaking of the RBY ports, that proves GF knows its value. I mean, they also left in the Nugget Bridge glitch, so maybe they just wanted to take the "untouched" route, but as you said, MissingNo is potentially file-corrupting, yet they left it in. It'd be easy to patch it out, but it's still there. I doubt my dream of them letting you transfer it to SuMo will be realized, but it shows GF sees MissingNo as popular and relatively safe enough to leave in a port.

And it's not like all VC games have to be untouched. Just look at the ads in Wave Race, the ghosts in MK64, and the obscene passwords in Metroid (RIP "Engage Ridley"). Leaving in MissingNo was a conscious decision. And as Finale Fireworker pointed out, if you activate MissingNo, you almost certainly know what you're getting into, so it wouldn't be completely awful to encourage people to try it...

Mr-Joker said:
Furthermore we have a glitch Pokémon in the form of Porygon-Z;

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So stop trying to make MissingNo an official part of the series when Game Freak have never acknowledge him and actively removed him from the series as it progressed with the ??? type being removed in gen 5 and the bird type in gen 3, though the Kanto remake still refer to them.
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Porygon Z isn't a glitch Pokemon, though; it's just a glitchy Pokemon. And that typing was never meant to be a way to acknowledge MissingNo, it was just leftover data, just like MissingNo itself. That said, even if MissingNo isn't in the games proper, the Gen 1 ports still have it lurking in the code. Meanwhile, Gen 7 is introducing Eldritch creatures from another realm. And both games can interact, meaning they have something in mind for people that try to transfer MissingNo.

Do I expect MissingNo to become canon? No. But I've wanted it ever since I learned it was only a glitch, the pieces are in place for something to go down, and this is a speculation thread. This is the perfect place to run wild with MissingNo theories!
 
So what do you guys think about the Pokemon Riddler "leaks"? It seems like this person has been on point since before we even got the starters and legendaries.
 
egruntz said:
Usually I'd agree with you on Pokemon related matters but I don't think so here. The fact that Megas revert back to an original form suggests they aren't a separate species. Just a brief and more powerful transformation. How they're marketed doesn't really matter. In the end, after battle, they revert back to their true nature.

These new forms aren't something they can revert back and from to, it's an inherent evolution/adaptation of another version of a Pokemon. New species.
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I'd liken this more to a subspecies than an entirely new species, much like how you have different kinds of elephants and the recently discovered giraffes within a given species of animal. Whether or not they'll be given new Pokédex entries based on these forms remains to be seen, though i'd air on the side that says "yes" because Pokémon has a tendency to give new entries to new evolutions/side evolutions like Slowking and Bellossom, so why not for Alola Marowak and Alola Vulpix when they do exhibit some noticeably different traits from the normal form?

EDIT: NO. No more Gen I pandering. We've had enough for the past decade, let alone this year.
 
I think MissingNo would work much better as a Pokemon akin to Type: Null, than as an Ultra Beast. Just make it normal/ghost, give it a very unique ability, and it's lore can be that of a failed experiment like Type: Null, that ended up alive.
 
entremet said:
I will never understand the attachment to missingno and I've been with the games since red and blue on game boy.
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He gave us infinite rare candies and level 255 Pokemon. Thanks Missingno!
Turbowaffles said:
I just want the games to be here already, man. I am so damn hyped for them!
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Same here. Just eight more weeks. Just gotta get through the rest of this awful month, then another (that's even longer holy god), and then through most of one more where will get a new president. Depending on who it is, we might have to be playing Sun/Moon underground in a nuclear bunker but hopefully wifi still works.
 
Wiseblade said:
Again, MissingNo damaged save files just by running into it. Legitimising it runs the risk of encouraging people to encounter it in the Gen I VC releases, which wouldn't look good when save files start getting corrupted.
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Missingno does NOT damage save files. There are some Pokemon RBY glitches that can corrupt your save, but Missingno is not one of them. And, I'm not positive, but I believe the popular way to get Missingno (the Old Man glitch) is harmless to your save as well. The most damaging things they can do is affecting your Hall of Fame data, which is just aesthetic glitchery.

Missingno is a fascinating example of art taking on a life of its own long after the creators have put it out. I would love nothing more than for SM to give us an official one - not only would it be about the coolest G1 nod they could ever do, but it would also give them a convenient out for anyone who wants to transfer a Mew over from the VC RBY. They could just categorize Mew as a glitched Pokemon and give the players a consolation prize in a very unique, very intriguing Pokemon indeed. Maybe Missingno could even be exclusive to transferring or breeding, making it similar to Zoroark except with the fanbase naturally finding it instead of it being a promoted event.
 
Sandfox said:
It is. That's one of the riddles/hints for an unrevealed Pokemon.
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I've been out of the loop in regards to this leak, so, another question.

Is it chinese, by any chance?

I ask because there was a leaker for the past two WoW expansions who was chinese and did the riddle stuff too. I found it infuriating, if only because I suck at riddles.

(Also going to guess since Yin is a "doll" in DtB lingo, it'll be something doll related)
 
Strimei said:
I've been out of the loop in regards to this leak, so, another question.

Is it chinese, by any chance?

I ask because there was a leaker for the past two WoW expansions who was chinese and did the riddle stuff too. I found it infuriating, if only because I suck at riddles.

(Also going to guess since Yin is a "doll" in DtB lingo, it'll be something doll related)
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Yes.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Missingno does NOT damage save files. There are some Pokemon RBY glitches that can corrupt your save, but Missingno is not one of them. And, I'm not positive, but I believe the popular way to get Missingno (the Old Man glitch) is harmless to your save as well. The most damaging things they can do is affecting your Hall of Fame data, which is just aesthetic glitchery.

Missingno is a fascinating example of art taking on a life of its own long after the creators have put it out. I would love nothing more than for SM to give us an official one - not only would it be about the coolest G1 nod they could ever do, but it would also give them a convenient out for anyone who wants to transfer a Mew over from the VC RBY. They could just categorize Mew as a glitched Pokemon and give the players a consolation prize in a very unique, very intriguing Pokemon indeed. Maybe Missingno could even be exclusive to transferring or breeding, making it similar to Zoroark except with the fanbase naturally finding it instead of it being a promoted event.
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Glitching Hall of Fame data is still damaging a Save File. I remember being really annoyed when I found that out. I think I actually started over because of it. But IIRC, trading MissingNo is where all the real magic happens.

Legitimising MissingNo still risks legitimising the whole library of glitches in Gen I and that would definitely be a mistake.
 
C.Olimar788 said:
Missingno does NOT damage save files. There are some Pokemon RBY glitches that can corrupt your save, but Missingno is not one of them. And, I'm not positive, but I believe the popular way to get Missingno (the Old Man glitch) is harmless to your save as well. The most damaging things they can do is affecting your Hall of Fame data, which is just aesthetic glitchery.

Missingno is a fascinating example of art taking on a life of its own long after the creators have put it out. I would love nothing more than for SM to give us an official one - not only would it be about the coolest G1 nod they could ever do, but it would also give them a convenient out for anyone who wants to transfer a Mew over from the VC RBY. They could just categorize Mew as a glitched Pokemon and give the players a consolation prize in a very unique, very intriguing Pokemon indeed. Maybe Missingno could even be exclusive to transferring or breeding, making it similar to Zoroark except with the fanbase naturally finding it instead of it being a promoted event.
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Glitching Hall of Fame data is still damaging a Save File. I remember being really annoyed when I found that out. I think I actually started over because of it. But IIRC, trading MissingNo is where all the real magic happens.

Legitimising MissingNo still risks legitimising the whole library of glitches in Gen I and that would definitely be a mistake.
 
Lord_Byron28 said:
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This is what I know of from this leak. These are hints of them based on the charts he has made.
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So are we clear that monk looking staff is connected to Jangmo-o or is it another line we havent seen? I see people point to it hinting at the Dragon/Steel or Fighting evo but I wonder if it's the same line.
 
Dimmle said:
You don't find the oral myth phenomenon surrounding missingno even a little interesting? Forget that I mentioned Slender Man.

Canonizing it would do a lot to demystify and maybe de-romanticize the glitch. That wouldn't do.
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it's fine, but when facts are laid down there's no need to hang onto it like people unable to let go
 
Not75Drops said:
Wait what do the transparent sprites mean? I heard people on twitter a while ago saying that they were the Alolan forms but I'm not sure.
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I don't think the leaker ever said, but people have suspected that the faded are Alolan forms and the nonfaded are just Pokemon that appear.

Someone also compiled some past hints and their Pokemon.

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Forkball said:
I don't think the leaker ever said, but people have suspected that the faded are Alolan forms and the nonfaded are just Pokemon that appear.

Someone also compiled some past hints and their Pokemon.
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The Squirtle and Charmander lines not getting Alolan forms while Bulbasaur line getting them would be really weird.

Charizard gets two megas and Venusaur gets an Alolan form. Blastoise ignored again.

Actually, the faded ones might be Pokemon that appear in the regional dex? The starters are a bit suspect, but I think most of the non-faded sprites are Pokemon (or part of the same line) we've already seen footage of?
 
brinstar said:
Drowzee's definitely in, it's shown up in a trailer.
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Oh joy! Hopefully this time around they're finally going to let it learn Dream Eater naturally. I hated how I caught one in previous games and had to wait all the way until late in the post game to teach it Dream Eater. I mean that ability is in its pokedex description. It makes no sense that it can't learn it leveling up.
 
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