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Red Dead Redemption 2 (Fall 2017, PS4/XB1, Trailer 10/20 @ 11 AM EST) announced

What will ultimately anger people the most about this game?

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Crossing Eden said:
We're talking about a game where cowboys have bullet time yet somehow having a main character that's a woman would be too unrealistic and asking why people care. Welp:
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Get me that bingo.
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This is hilariously sad and accurate. Never change, you cavemen. Nothing on GAF is more embarrassing than when the topic of diversity comes up. More than anything, I'm impressed at people managing to post from 1950. Eden's right though, I'd hate to have a woman distract us from the cowboy who can control the space-time continuum at will.
 
PaulBizkit said:
Wait... so, the first RDR took place during the last days of the old west, right? Now, if this sequel's MC is john marshton's son (jack), then RDR2 would take place 20 years later!

Would still be an old west by that point??
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I think it's highly doubtful that it's an actual sequel. It's far more likely to be a prequel.
 
Alienous said:
I feel like it's a difficult thing to portray realistically.

Either you show that situation honestly, with a tone of belittlement and sexism, at which point that might detract from the story you actually want to tell and get claims of unfair treatment of characters thrown at the creators, or you get the Hollywood 'two guys are shooting at bottles on a fence, then the female character comes along and knocks all the bottles down with one bullet while firing from the hip, and the male characters look dumbfounded at eachother' ugh-ness.

I can see why it might just be avoided entirely.
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uh what? this is so wrong. especially the "honest situation"
 
truly101 said:
I agree that Redemption 2 may not be the most creative but if it does tie in with the previous game, then its understandable. I will disagree that just replacing the last word with something like Retribution, or Requiem or Resurrection or Revelations makes it better, more like it sounds like a crappy sequel to tired action or horror film franchise released in the late 90s
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Yeah! I mean I get it and it does make sense especially if its story links in with the other. I just dont really like it
 
Cornbread78 said:
Who said they are a minority, I'm a married man with 3 daughters and you expect me to think they are a minority? My ass is dominated by woman, lol.


Now back to the virtual gaming world for a moment:

Who was in his "gang" back then and who would have been in his social circle. The point is, would they need that much diversity within his gang to be acceptable?

Again, this is all just based off the artwork and we have yet to see a single clip of the game yet.
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well, not even the ARTWORK shows one prominent woman. And when people were arguing that there better be a playable / prominent female character, you brought up the argument of comically forced hyperdiversity - which is super flawed, imho, because we're not talking about underrepresentation of an ethnic minority here, but about the underrepresentation of an entire gender.
so, to answer your question, no there wouldn't need to be a noah's ark of characters for people to be happy.
But a well developed female character, maybe even playable, in a Rockstar game - that'd be nice. Because these games sell. Those games make history. They shape video game and popular culture. GTA V was the biggest piece of entertainment media ever, and prominent women that aren't 'nagging daughters' 'nagging anal starlets' 'nagging wives' are prominently absent in that game, sadly.
 
it's part of the previous game (that's clearly Dutch's gang) so why not call it Redemption 2?
 
SomedayTheFire said:
uh what? this is so wrong. especially the "honest situation"
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I'll need more than that if I'm going to change my opinion.

More_Badass said:
Just follow the template of history. That's the easiest thing to do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Bullion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Dunn
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I'm skim reading biographies and I'm seeing a lot that would suggest a supporting role for a character based on either of these two, rather than a protagonist. Any particulars to these two people that go against that idea?
 
Vitacat said:
Just because they announced console versions doesn't necessarily mean a PC version won't happen. All the GTA's went to PC.
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PC version will come 1 year later so console players get to feel superior and Rockstar gets to cash 2 times with people who have both console & PC.

Great business model as usual.
 
Don Draper's Hat said:
You know, like robotic cowboys maybe. Or cars instead of stupid horses. Maybe some jetpacks. And rocket launchers. Maybe some helicopters.

Robotic cowboys that can shoot lasers out of their eyes.
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I just hope towers are worked in there somehow so that I can climb them and unlock all the collectible locations on the mini-map.
 
Trigker said:
There's already a petition to release it on PC.

https://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-petition-for-red-dead-redmption-2-release-it-on-pc
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Lol.

OrbitalBeard said:
Because Rockstar will get millions of people to double-dip this way. I wouldn't even expect a PC announcement until early 2018.
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and maybe they want to push consoles sales before GTA VI release.

Ridygo said:
Hmm, release the game only for consoles 2 times and make everyone play twice, then release the game for PC (third release) and expect same sales figures.

Stroke of genious
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There was only a few months difference between PS4/XONE and PC releases.
 
Alienous said:
I feel like it's a difficult thing to portray realistically.

Either you show that situation honestly, with a tone of belittlement and sexism, at which point that might detract from the story you actually want to tell and get claims of unfair treatment of characters thrown at the creators, or you get the Hollywood 'two guys are shooting at bottles on a fence, then the female character comes along and knocks all the bottles down with one bullet while firing from the hip, and the male characters look dumbfounded at eachother' ugh-ness.

I can see why it might just be avoided entirely.
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If they cared about realism or "historical accuracy" in a non historical game about cowboys, there'd be many more black characters than the whitewashed version of reality that media would have you believe. Since a full third of the outlaw population were black. It's pretty insane how little people know about the setting besides what they've been spoon fed by whitewashed media.
 
I was not getting hyped up at all, thinking it was going to be Red Dead Online, or some spinoff, or something non-Red Dead related at all.

Now I am buying 2 tickets first class on the hype train and will pre-order damn near instantly.

I couldn't be more excited about a rockstar announcement.
 
Can't wait to see the PS4/XB1 version and their equivalents Pro/Scorpio versions.... followed one year later by inevitable the PC version, followed two years later by a PS5/XB1-2 version ...
Followed by GVA VI two years later
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Just remember my words!
 
Alienous said:
I feel like it's a difficult thing to portray realistically.

Either you show that situation honestly, with a tone of belittlement and sexism, at which point that might detract from the story you actually want to tell and get claims of unfair treatment of characters thrown at the creators, or you get the Hollywood 'two guys are shooting at bottles on a fence, then the female character comes along and knocks all the bottles down with one bullet while firing from the hip, and the male characters look dumbfounded at eachother' ugh-ness.

I can see why it might just be avoided entirely.
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Yeah, everyone knows it's hard to fit a woman into a story. They are just plotline killers. I mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do with a lady? Did they even exist way back then?
 
darthkarki said:
"Zero excuse"... So you're saying that someone creating a piece of art literally doesn't have the right to deliver their own vision? Obviously you're not referring to any actual legal requirements as there are none, so you must be saying there is some kind of universal moral imperative that any creator must obey regardless of what they actually feel like making?

I cannot stand this kind of entitled attitude. "How dare anyone create something that doesn't prescribe to my particular sensibilities!" Here's the thing: you can absolutely be disappointed if it's not what you wanted. Everyone has preferences, and you should absolutely tell a company that you are interested in (your preferred experience here). They might even do that at some point. But there is a difference between saying "I'm super disappointed this doesn't have a female protagonist! I would have really liked that" and "Fuck you dev you slimy racist bastards how dare you make the game you want and not the one I want!". That's the problem. The complaint is always that it's wrong that they didn't make what you wanted, which is the definition of entitlement.

This angers me because I want to have the freedom to make what I want to make. I don't want to be yelled at because I told a story that was on my heart, but it wasn't exactly what someone else would have created. The greatest works of art come from creators expressing their visions, because it's a story they have to tell, a picture they have to paint, music they have to write.

There is a TON of media that doesn't interest me. Things like the Saw movies disgust me. I think the world would probably be better off without that, so should I campaign to have those banned? Should I form an oversight committee to govern the direction of a sequel so that it's something I want? Or should I leave the creative direction to the people who actually wanted that to begin with?

Rockstar committed a grave sin here by releasing a picture that only has men in it, which means this is clearly going to be a horrible sexist game, right? So I'm curious. Would you go back in time and complain about Seven Samurai because the leads are men? I mean, that's seven lead characters and they are all men. That's bad, right? And yet, for some reason, as summarized by Wikipedia:



It almost seems like it might have actually been a good movie with a good story despite starring only men. How about The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings? Some of the greatest, most influential works of fiction in history, and they predominantly star men. Do you know why? Because these are the stories and the characters that the creators wanted to create.

Here's the truth: there are a lot of video games, that feature all manner of characters. Are there not as many representing what you are looking for? Here's an idea. Don't demand a creator change their vision to match yours. Instead of bitching about it, go make the game you want. That's what I'm doing. I will enjoy what media I enjoy, and will add what I think is missing.
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Cannot be quoted enough.

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darthkarki said:
"Zero excuse"... So you're saying that someone creating a piece of art literally doesn't have the right to deliver their own vision? Obviously you're not referring to any actual legal requirements as there are none, so you must be saying there is some kind of universal moral imperative that any creator must obey regardless of what they actually feel like making?

I cannot stand this kind of entitled attitude. "How dare anyone create something that doesn't prescribe to my particular sensibilities!" Here's the thing: you can absolutely be disappointed if it's not what you wanted. Everyone has preferences, and you should absolutely tell a company that you are interested in (your preferred experience here). They might even do that at some point. But there is a difference between saying "I'm super disappointed this doesn't have a female protagonist! I would have really liked that" and "Fuck you dev you slimy racist bastards how dare you make the game you want and not the one I want!". That's the problem. The complaint is always that it's wrong that they didn't make what you wanted, which is the definition of entitlement.

This angers me because I want to have the freedom to make what I want to make. I don't want to be yelled at because I told a story that was on my heart, but it wasn't exactly what someone else would have created. The greatest works of art come from creators expressing their visions, because it's a story they have to tell, a picture they have to paint, music they have to write.

There is a TON of media that doesn't interest me. Things like the Saw movies disgust me. I think the world would probably be better off without that, so should I campaign to have those banned? Should I form an oversight committee to govern the direction of a sequel so that it's something I want? Or should I leave the creative direction to the people who actually wanted that to begin with?

Rockstar committed a grave sin here by releasing a picture that only has men in it, which means this is clearly going to be a horrible sexist game, right? So I'm curious. Would you go back in time and complain about Seven Samurai because the leads are men? I mean, that's seven lead characters and they are all men. That's bad, right? And yet, for some reason, as summarized by Wikipedia:



It almost seems like it might have actually been a good movie with a good story despite starring only men. How about The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings? Some of the greatest, most influential works of fiction in history, and they predominantly star men. Do you know why? Because these are the stories and the characters that the creators wanted to create.

Here's the truth: there are a lot of video games, that feature all manner of characters. Are there not as many representing what you are looking for? Here's an idea. Don't demand a creator change their vision to match yours. Instead of bitching about it, go make the game you want. That's what I'm doing. I will enjoy what media I enjoy, and will add what I think is missing.
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I needed to read a post like this. Its unbelievable how entitled people are.
You dont like the game? Dont buy the fucking game.
If you have a vision go ahead and develop it; stop telling artists how should they do it smh
 
Xenoxide said:
It's a game set in the Wild West. It reflects the time period. What would you like?
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It doesn't. I'm not going to jump on Rockstar, as I don't know anything about the story and there could be important NPC's who aren't white, but it's a fact there were minorities making a living in the old west. As usual, popular media whitewashes over that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768669

http://listverse.com/2016/04/04/10-african-american-cowboys-who-shaped-the-old-west/
 
I'm so tired about this argues with no-woman, only white characters, etc... The game was announced only hours ago, has no trailer, and people are already complaining about that What the hell?
 
Jb said:
From a marketing standpoint it makes so much more sense, especially considering Red Dead became a household name only with the release of Redemption.
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I think most gamers, even those that are not super hardcore would have an idea of what to expect if the game contains the Red Dead prefix. In fact it could be problematic if Redemption 2 does not tie into the previous game in some way since thats what the average person expects. Nobody wants a Halloween III: Season of the Witch story continuity out the window fuckery. I think if that was the case, they would have picked a different 3rd word.

We'll find out soon
 
Lime said:
I'm just tired of fucking white male characters everywhere in video games, it's so uncreative and uninspiring. It's like 90% of the rest of the world population doesn't exist in video games.

And now you have 7 characters and all of them are guys
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The game is set in the old American west. What are you expecting?

As far as other races, you had the Asians working the rail roads.

Most women were not gun slingers but worked the brothels in these type stories.

Depending on the year, I suppose there could be free black citizens and they could be a side kick. Some Mexican representation would also work here depending on the year the game is set in.

Seriously, what do you want from Rockstar? This is a period piece. White men ruled the world back then in the American west.

Asking for minority's to be at the center of the story of an American Old West Story is like a developer making a game set in 1970's Harlem and making the main character a white guy. It wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Game developers are free to tell the story they want to without the PC crowd forcing them to include every variation of race/gender as a leading role.
 
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