Behold Nintendo Switch (March 2017, Hybrid w/ Dock, Detachable Controllers, Nvidia)

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I hate how the plus and minus controllers aren't symmetrically identical. One player's joystick is in the center of the pad. Wtf mate?

Looks more interesting than Wii U, but still feels like a gimmick. Hulking around that tablet, plus controllers bits, along with games carrying case.. It's going to be a burden past the first week when it's fresh.

This does not look like a product ideal for spontaneously playing with others while out and about. It really doesn't, and that seems to be the main draw.
 
I wonder if the center part of the controller features touch functionality
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That might be where you put your Amiibo on it
 
Didn't stop devs from going sub 720p on 360 and PS3.

Back when 720p was the standard. Your analogy works with devs releasing 900p games in a 1080p standard world now. No way in hell will Nintendo release a system that runs 540p on a TV in 2017. Give them more credit.


The more interesting discussion about power is happening here.

Click to see how the "insider" Zlatan doesn't really know what Nvidia Parker is.
 
What about buying a game once and having it on two platforms?

No need to weigh buying Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U. No buying NSMB2 and NSMBU. No Kart 7 and Kart 8.

No wishing you could play Pokemon on your big screen TV. No wishing Monster Hunter could run in HD instead of this little portable device.

Everything you buy is already on two different devices, conceptually.

what? i dont buy consoles for games, i buy them for their specs obviously
 
I'm excited.

1. I've been looking to get back into handhelds.

2. I already have a PS4. I don't need another console that does the same shit as my PS4.
 
The other route for Nintendo, for the same damn price (if this thing is priced around 250-350$) would have been an AMD Polaris semi-custom chip, with a CPU stronger than XBO/PS4, for a home console between PS4 and PS4 Pro level of performance.

This would have meant: easy port from current consoles (if the architecture Nintendo chooses isn't wonky), breathtakingly beautiful first-party games, a console capable of VR if Nintendo decides to do it in the future.

No wonder RDR2 isn't on Switch.
And it will be the same for Mass Effect Andromeda, and every other big multiplatform game.

Now entering BORING CITY
 
The other route for Nintendo, for the same damn price (if this thing is priced around 250-350$) would have been an AMD Polaris semi-custom chip, with a CPU stronger than XBO/PS4, for a home console between PS4 and PS4 Pro level of performance.

This would have meant: easy port from current consoles (if the architecture Nintendo chooses isn't wonky), breathtakingly beautiful first-party games, a console capable of VR if Nintendo decides to do it in the future.

No wonder RDR2 isn't on Switch.
And it will be the same for Mass Effect Andromeda, and every other big multiplatform game.

Nintendo, you were so dumb once again, you have a new CEO and Head of Engineering available here.
 
I was talking to a friend today about the Switch and he mentioned to me that he hates the new direction for the Star Trek TV show. So much so that he told me he was shitting all over it on a forum someplace to people who were excited about the show. I said, "If you don't want to watch the show and you've told me you will never watch it, then why shit on everyone else who will like it? Why waste your time?" Don't be like my friend. If you have no intention of buying Nintendo hardware and just want Nintendo to fail so you can buy Nintendo games on non-Nintendo hardware. Take that agenda someplace else.

Are you some kind of mod or something ?

Don't tell me to take my opinion about the Switch, just because I have a negative outlook on it, elsewhere because for some reason Nintendo can't be doubted in your perfect fanboy world.

This is GAF, you should go somewhere else yourself, maybe a Nintendo focused forum, if you want everyone to agree with everything Nintendo.

If you're not happy with my posts, don't reply to them.
Don't dare tell me to leave, this forum, this topic, don't belong to you nor me.
 
You're right, I'm just expressing frustration at this point and I'm honest about it.

I miss Nintendo's roots, from the NES to the Gamecube, this Nintendo.

The Wii showed them that they could make bank by targeting other markets, less interested in gaming, and they seem stuck now in the desire to recreate that perfect spark that happened with the Wii for it to be so successful in terms of sells.

You're right, current Nintendo isn't for me anymore, they changed so much if you look into it with an objective eye.

...and yet they have Skyrim, a game nobody thought would touch Nintendo hardware. There wasn't a single child in the promo materials. The device doesn't look like a child toy. They are literally catering to teens and young adults - the same demographic as PS4 and XBO. There will be AAA ports for this device. It supports the same engine that Gears of War 4 runs on, which can scale. I think you aren't upset that the Switch isn't for you, I think you fear it will do well and you won't be able to play Nintendo games on non-Nintendo systems if this thing takes off - and it most likely will.
 
One thing I don't understand is if Nintendo has come out and said this is a home console first and foremost, why would people be forced to buy all the mobile tech including screen that would sit useless 90% of the time. Doesn't it make it essentially a Kinect if the vast majority of the time you wont use it but still have to pay for it.
Of course you'll use it. All the juice is under the screen.
 
Nintendo, you were so dumb once again, you have a new CEO and Head of Engineering available here.

I actually read some posts here on GAF during the Wii U reveal period that would have probably solved a lot of the problem the console seemed to have.
Including the horrendous marketing.

I am not that intelligent at all, but some people can clearly do a better job than what I've seen from Nintendo on several aspects lately.
 
Look at the number of Pokemon Go players dropping really fast though.

This market you're talking about it extremely volatile, maybe they'll sell a lot of Switch during the first few months because of excitement/hype/word of mouth, but without third party support it will be left to die because most of these people won't buy the first party Nintendo games, just like they did for the Wii.

I feel like you're looking at everything around what it is and not actually straight at it.

It's a machine that plays home console quality games, but can also play them on the go. People are mindblown at the prospect of playing Skyrim or any massive recent-gen game at any place, at any time. There's no forced gameplay gimmick, as everything is controlled with the same buttons, sticks, bumpers and triggers. There is a unified, and overall traditional, setup to what this console is doing, and there's no strings attached. The visuals are wildly impressive for what it is, and nothing to shrug off on a TV either (unless if you're really that hard pressed all-or-nothing for top of the line 4K HDR 60fps gaming etc, but good luck finding people like that outside of Gaf).

Whatever strings people think are attached however are mostly due to telling themselves there is. Constantly repeating to one's self that it's a glass-half-empty situation ('an underpowered handheld with a tv output', for example) to act as if it's not doing anything to cater to it's home console audience, even though multiple things in the very trailer did just that.

The Wii U's biggest troubles was in a combination of extremely poor marketing, splitting game development between itself and the 3DS (since quality / effort / budget on handheld titles were getting much higher) which led to less games, hilariously weak specs in comparison to it's competitors (where the gap between it and PS4/XB1 was so big that there was no way ports would work out well), and emphasizing it's gimmick to the point of requiring games to use it extensively over traditional controls (a turn off for everyone).

This, as we were able to figure out from one trailer alone, addresses and fixes each of these problems.

Nintendo for the longest time (since the NES) has been about taking video games the next step. The developers of the original consoles weren't gamers, because they weren't born into it. They created it. Nintendo continues to look out the box as they always have, taking it the next step and trying to look into other avenues that may actually help enhance and spread it out to newer audiences, while also keeping the old.

If you grew up thinking Nintendo's intention from the get-go was to put games on a box with a controller and that's it, then you probably missed that.
 
The other route for Nintendo, for the same damn price (if this thing is priced around 250-350$) would have been an AMD Polaris semi-custom chip, with a CPU stronger than XBO/PS4, for a home console between PS4 and PS4 Pro level of performance.

This would have meant: easy port from current consoles (if the architecture Nintendo chooses isn't wonky), breathtakingly beautiful first-party games, a console capable of VR if Nintendo decides to do it in the future.

No wonder RDR2 isn't on Switch.
And it will be the same for Mass Effect Andromeda, and every other big multiplatform game.

Another poor victim of SMD64 and 10k.
 
Are people seriously trying to make claims that Switch will be weaker than Wii U even in handheld mode and on par or only a tiny bit better when docked?

And this 504p crap? Nintendo wouldn't waste money on 720p screens if their tech couldnt handle that. I can't believe this.

Yeah, the Wii U is built on tech that hasn't been considered cutting edge in a solid decade. Running games better than that, even in a portable form factor, should be pretty trivial.

My main question is "is this powerful enough that current-gen AAA titles can scale down to run on it?" That's not a super-high bar when you consider the minimum specs of their respective PC versions (which is probably a terrible point of comparison but it's all I got,) but it will probably be a little too high for the Switch. Indies and mid-tier Japanese titles like what Bamco, Koei-Tecmo, NIS, etc. put out will run just fine on it, I'm sure, which means it'll probably be the "lead platform" for those sorts of titles.
 
So is the tablet what houses all the power? Is the dock just a dock? Does the Tablet stream the image or is it a completely separate computer unit?
 
The other route for Nintendo, for the same damn price (if this thing is priced around 250-350$) would have been an AMD Polaris semi-custom chip, with a CPU stronger than XBO/PS4, for a home console between PS4 and PS4 Pro level of performance.

This would have meant: easy port from current consoles (if the architecture Nintendo chooses isn't wonky), breathtakingly beautiful first-party games, a console capable of VR if Nintendo decides to do it in the future.

No wonder RDR2 isn't on Switch.
And it will be the same for Mass Effect Andromeda, and every other big multiplatform game.
Ain't no one buying that 3 and half years after its competition with nothing noteworthy in the hardware to stand out.
 
What a nuke. I know from the instant GAF failed to load this morning that something big had went down.

Someone just has to sell a version of the left controller thingy with a d-pad. VC games on the go is going to be a real selling point with this thing, and no proper d-pad on the portable form would be a detriment.

Other than that, bring on more non-gold/baby characters in Mario Kart. More customizable options in Splatoon. The return of Ice Climbers.
 
Another poor victim of SMD64 and 10k.

I've been wanting this since the Wii actually.

I mean, similar ideas.
I've been dreaming about Nintendo trying a Gamecube/N64 once again. They did it in the past and most here remembers these piece of hardware very fondly, compared to Wii and Wii U.
 
I'd say just having Bethesda as a partner means something. Bethesda has thoroughly criticized Nintendo for ages and their last developed title for a Nintendo system was Home Alone on the NES.
 
So what are all the ways Nintendo could be absolute rat bastard sharks with this concept? Just judging from past precedent in hardware revisions down the line...

- Release a ton of side controller addons like in the cool concept seen earlier. I think most people would be ok with this, outside of "goddammit Nintendo, not more tubs of plastic crap."
- Identify that most people seem to want to play it portably and release a Switch Solo version, a little cheaper with a smaller screen, no swappable controls, no bluetooth for extra controllers, no dock, maybe some unnecessary horsepower stripped out. But keep releasing games that look gorgeous on a giant TV and local multiplayer stuff these people will miss out on to make them jealous and want to upgrade...
- Identify that most people seem to just want a solid home console and release a Switch Home version, a little cheaper with no screen, no battery, no side controls necessary. Pro controller included. But keep releasing games intended for connecting with others' systems locally, streetpass type things, portable-leaning games that might make these people want to upgrade...
- Larger screen version with better battery, possibly with a higher resolution and built in upscaler. The dock is open on both sides and it could still slot in the same controller halves.
- If there's no touch, a touch version.
- VR headset you slot the screen into, motion sensing addons you slot the controller halves into.
- A cheaper screen section designed just to stream video from the docked console, giving it identical functionality to the Wii U, possibly intended for friends who need their own screen for some games, or just a form of Wii U BC. Or stuff like enabling Mario Maker when docked.
 
Do you guys not wear seatbelts in the back?

This whole picture is insanely stupid. Who is going to hear anything out the speakers except the driver whose head it is next to? Kids will be hunching out of their restraints to peer at the screen when they could have instead just been given a pair of 2DS consoles. It is batshit insane. The whole thing is.

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Ain't no one buying that 3 and half years after its competition with nothing noteworthy in the hardware to stand out.

You could have used the SCD patent as a major innovation.

Basically improving the AI/graphics/computing in general of each NX user if they decided to put their NX in the cloud to do computing for other NX devices in the area.

Just like it was described in the patent. That was genius.
 
I'm pretty sure that most games will be 720-1080p native, regardless of what Zlatan says.

Even if the Switch is 3 times less powerful than the Xbone, let's remember that it is still more powerful than the Wii U.



wat

People calling it "Pathetic" in that thread, like they forget Switch its still pretty impressive piece of tech for a handheld :/

though i want native resolution, less than 720p would be unfortunate.
 
Do you guys not wear seatbelts in the back?

This whole picture is insanely stupid. Who is going to hear anything out the speakers except the driver whose head it is next to? Kids will be hunching out of their restraints to peer at the screen when they could have instead just been given a pair of 2DS consoles. It is batshit insane. The whole thing is.

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It might have bluetooth audio.
 
I've been wanting this since the Wii actually.

I mean, similar ideas.
I've been dreaming about Nintendo trying a Gamecube/N64 once again. They did it in the past and most here remembers these piece of hardware very fondly, compared to Wii and Wii U.

It's like wishing your friend was someone they aren't. This is obviously who Nintendo is. You either accept them as they are or you move on. If you love Nintendo games, you support Nintendo systems. I too would have enjoyed a super power Nintendo system, but that's not who they are. I accept Nintendo however quirky they may be.
 
The other route for Nintendo, for the same damn price (if this thing is priced around 250-350$) would have been an AMD Polaris semi-custom chip, with a CPU stronger than XBO/PS4, for a home console between PS4 and PS4 Pro level of performance.

This would have meant: easy port from current consoles (if the architecture Nintendo chooses isn't wonky), breathtakingly beautiful first-party games, a console capable of VR if Nintendo decides to do it in the future.

No wonder RDR2 isn't on Switch.
And it will be the same for Mass Effect Andromeda, and every other big multiplatform game.
I do not mean this dismissively but I think I am more willing to trust the judgement of Nintendo R&D than a forum poster. I'm sure AMD was explored, but maybe this custom chip is better for the portable nature of the console. It could be anything.

Also I think it's a bit too early to write off those ports when we still don't know everything about the console yet. One or two games not getting ported isn't going to tank a console.
 
I've been wanting this since the Wii actually.

I mean, similar ideas.
I've been dreaming about Nintendo trying a Gamecube/N64 once again. They did it in the past and most here remembers these piece of hardware very fondly, compared to Wii and Wii U.

Yeah, you wanted a Polaris GPU since Wii. Right.
 
Been salty in all the Switch threads all day...

I'm extremely disappointed, I admit it.

There's nothing wrong with voicing my opinion though, I don't understand that mentality that only positivity towards Nintendo and their choices in business are allowed.

I don't believe Switch will succeed in finding a strong market, and I am free to voice this opinion.
 
Is there any precedent for "console games" being played on tablets? When I think of tablet games I think of quick pick-me-up time wasters not something like Skyrim. Also, who is actually carrying around things like this in public?

I mean, I'm gonna get it sooner than later (maybe at launch, idk yet) because gots to have those Nintendo games...but I can't see getting much use out of the portable aspect. I guess it's more useful than having a ton of horsepower though, I don't think their first party games would get a lot of benefit from that.

Having said that, I know people are absolutely playing 3DS and whatnot. I guess the portable aspect is just not for me.
 
You could have used the SCD patent as a major innovation.

Basically improving the AI/graphics/computing in general of each NX user if they decided to put their NX in the cloud to do computing for other NX devices in the area.

Just like it was described in the patent. That was genius.
How do we know that the SCD stuff is anywhere near consumer ready? Sounds like a pipe dream to me. The patent could be covering R&D they've done.
 
Yeah, you wanted a Polaris GPU since Wii. Right.

Seriously ? I said, "I mean similar ideas", exactly to outline that the actual specific words and architecture don't matter, it's the idea behind it that I'm expressing that's relevant.

Of course I didn't want a Polaris GPU since the Wii.

I'm saying, a traditional, powerful home console.
 
I'm extremely disappointed, I admit it.

There's nothing wrong with voicing my opinion though, I don't understand that mentality that only positivity towards Nintendo and their choices in business are allowed.

I don't believe Switch will succeed in finding a strong market, and I am free to voice this opinion.

Negativity is fine. Agenda-driven negativity is another thing entirely. You have already stated your implied agenda is for Nintendo to fail so you can have Nintendo games on your hardware of choice. That's not cool. Then it simply isn't your opinion, but your agenda. That is an important distinction.
 
Nintendo if you want to sell a bunch of these...here's how

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Unrelated, but I've only just noticed the two lights on the dog. This tends to tell you which controller is for what player which makes me wonder if in order to use the joycons detached, you will still need the centre piece that does the actual communication with the console.
 
Don't dare tell me to leave, this forum, this topic, don't belong to you nor me.

Chill dude, he's just giving you advice on how to make life more joyful for you and for others, it sucks that things you've been anticipating for more than a year to turn out not on par with your expectations, but being aggressively angry about it isn't going to help you.
 
Do you guys not wear seatbelts in the back?

This whole picture is insanely stupid. Who is going to hear anything out the speakers except the driver whose head it is next to? Kids will be hunching out of their restraints to peer at the screen when they could have instead just been given a pair of 2DS consoles. It is batshit insane. The whole thing is.

Maybe they are hooked up to the bluetooth of the car stereo, or maybe it's just an ad showing you can play games in the car.
 
You're right, I'm just expressing frustration at this point and I'm honest about it.

I miss Nintendo's roots, from the NES to the Gamecube, this Nintendo.

The Wii showed them that they could make bank by targeting other markets, less interested in gaming, and they seem stuck now in the desire to recreate that perfect spark that happened with the Wii for it to be so successful in terms of sells.

You're right, current Nintendo isn't for me anymore, they changed so much if you look into it with an objective eye.

I would argue that even if Nintendo were to do what you're suggesting - a high-end machine on par with the others - then it wouldn't really change their fortunes a whole lot.

I would also argue that some of Nintendo's greatest games have come in the post Gamecube era you decry - be it on the DS, Wii, 3DS or Wii U. Whether or not you consider them to be true to Nintendo's roots is up to you I suppose.

Hell, Nintendo going third party would contrast greatly with their roots to begin with.

But, I'm not going to try and change your mind - fair play to you and whatnot, it's cool.
 
I've been wanting this since the Wii actually.

I mean, similar ideas.
I've been dreaming about Nintendo trying a Gamecube/N64 once again. They did it in the past and most here remembers these piece of hardware very fondly, compared to Wii and Wii U.

....didn't those consoles flop?
 
What about buying a game once and having it on two platforms?

No need to weigh buying Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U. No buying NSMB2 and NSMBU. No Kart 7 and Kart 8.

No wishing you could play Pokemon on your big screen TV. No wishing Monster Hunter could run in HD instead of this little portable device.

Everything you buy is already on two different devices, conceptually.

Man, this is like targeting a niche of a niche. How many people owned both a Wii U and 3DS and were complaining about buying the same game twice?
 
Reveal trailer is now sitting at around 3,5 million views and 250k likes 10 hours after release.

Never expected this kind of response to be honest. Seems like the reveal itself has been a huge success and hopefully they can translate that into a successfull product.
 
It's like wishing your friend was someone they aren't. This is obviously who Nintendo is. You either accept them as they are or you move on. If you love Nintendo games, you support Nintendo systems. I too would have enjoyed a super power Nintendo system, but that's not who they are. I accept Nintendo however quirky they may be.

This is what Nintendo became since the Wii era though.
It's absolutely not what they were before.

NES/SNES/N64/Gamecube are all consoles that fit the traditional, powerful home console I loved about Nintendo hardware.
 
Do you guys not wear seatbelts in the back?

This whole picture is insanely stupid. Who is going to hear anything out the speakers except the driver whose head it is next to? Kids will be hunching out of their restraints to peer at the screen when they could have instead just been given a pair of 2DS consoles. It is batshit insane. The whole thing is.

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the digital foundry video analysis really shat all over this feature "a bunch of people huddled over a small screen playing videogames".

Its a curious case of is this scenario really gonna happen. I guess if its available as a feature, sure. But the controllers are also so small. If they also simulataneous designed this system to pair to ipads/ipad pros - you get a much larger screen real estate which sort of makes this less onerous.

what would be a killer app if if the tiny controllers can sync to ipad and be used to control mario jump (but then it highlights the "pointlessness" of the switch" so that's probably not going to happen
 
The people thirsting for AAA 3rd party content already have a XBone, PS4, or souped up PC by now. Aside from Nintendo IP, the portability of this thing is the key selling factor. If you're not in the market for either of those things, then oh well.
 
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