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[Mael]

Who would want to play as a black girl, everyone knows that only white males play pokemon anyway.

 

[Phu]

What are you asking in the bolded? Are you asking why you should have to be burdened with choosing your gender? If so, that's what you've done since the third generation. All people are asking for is a third option, or perhaps just to skip all of that and unlock clothing options a la GO's system, a system that 99% of the world didn't care about either.

Also, if you wouldn't want to explain to your kid what gender neutral is, that's your personal problem, not the world's.

T_T

 

[Roni]

Believe it or not, despite me having a vagina I can wear men's outward clothing. Yes indeed, pants and shorts do not inhibit the efficiency of my genitals. The same is also true for people with a penis wearing skirts and dresses. Magical, isn't it? If anything, you people with all that junk down there should appreciate a breeze every now and again.

Also, if the models are significantly different in 3D that you literally can't just plop the clothes on without clipping or any other errors, all you have to do is scale the clothes properly. Seriously, there's like a little scale option in every 3D software that allows you to reshape models. This isn't hard. You're making it hard.

Mhmm, sure, whatever you say. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about... But it doesn't seem like that matters any to you when you consider whether or not you should argue with someone.

 

[clo1_2000]

I don't se how, as i have posted before, even tho Animal crossing does lock your default avatar in a sex, the game also allows you to dress according to your gender identity regardless and also allows to customize what the villagers call you.

If they have done it before, i don't see how current sociological norms would stop them from extending that much gender expression freedom into pokemon games.

Thanks for the clarification; I completely agree It would be nice to get more customization in this regard and easy enough to implement.

 

[Fliesen]

I think people for the most part have the right to act as they please. Logistically speaking, I don't see how any sort of interactive media could possibly consider every type of gender people relate to. Fact is, they could add 300 different possibilities. But that 301st that was left out has just as valid an argument as those wanting their options. So how is that to be handled?
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exactly the way it should be handled for the 3rd gender option:

"other" "none of the above" (m / f / x) pretty much covers the entire spectrum. I would think (cmiiw) genderqueer people would rather be shoved in the 'X' bucket than having the system propagate the flawed dichotomy of binary gender

or don't bother asking in the first place, if you're not going to give me a complete set of options.

 

[purseowner]

Mhmm, sure, whatever you say. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about...

Good lord the mansplaining is strong here. Could you be any more condescending?

At least explain why you disagree.

 

[ViolentP]

exactly the way it should be handled for the 3rd gender option:

"other" "none of the above" (m / f / x) pretty much covers the entire spectrum. I would think (cmiiw) genderqueer people would rather be shoved in the 'X' bucket than having the system propagate the flawed dichotomy of binary gender

or don't bother asking in the first place, if you're not going to give me a complete set of options.

If an "other" option is all that is being asked for, I don't see what the big issue is to implement. I just think it would be important to get that message out in the right way and it shouldn't be long before it's there.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

No skin color options is actually kind of a problem and I am annoyed it gets talked about mockingly.

I had to play as a maybe-black/maybe-tan/maybe-ganguro character in XY because apparently people think more options is giving in their little war to SJWs.

 

[Captain Europe]

Personally, I don't think it's bad. But as with most things, it has an ability to become extreme. I would gladly teach my child gender neutrality and allow them to choose freely. But I won't lie, if my child starts telling me they relate as a pig or a dragon, I will create boundaries.

I don't even see anything wrong with kids thinking they're dragons, as a kid a thought I was raccoon Mario, I turned out just fine. That's just kids being kids.

 

[clo1_2000]

Good lord the mansplaining is strong here. Could you be any more condescending?

At least explain why you disagree.

Why use mansplaining? I get that the individual is trolling, but as a male who tries to be aware that my point of view is unique to me, this just seems like trying to go with "two wrongs make a right". Just call the poster out for their tactic without labeling it with a loaded term.

 

[Roni]

Good lord the mansplaining is strong here. Could you be any more condescending?

At least explain why you disagree.

Why? For people to take a quote from my explanation and run with it in a completely different direction from the one the argument was originally in? Just in this thread alone this has happened twice. I'm not obligated to tutor everyone who crosses my path and happens to disagree with me. In fact, my life is happier when I pick and choose who I do that to.

I thought the user knew what he was talking about, so I engaged in a conversation; they proved they don't, I'm out. Good luck changing the world!

 

[pastrami]

I think people for the most part have the right to act as they please. Logistically speaking, I don't see how any sort of interactive media could possibly consider every type of gender people relate to. Fact is, they could add 300 different possibilities. But that 301st that was left out has just as valid an argument as those wanting their options. So how is that to be handled?

The only thing I can realistically come up with is a singular, predetermined character that everyone will share removing the feeling that you are that character entirely. It's the only fair option I can think of.

It's not an all or nothing deal. Since we can't account for every single individual, we shouldn't bother trying? What a horrible attitude to have in life.

 

[ViolentP]

I don't even see anything wrong with kids thinking they're dragons, as a kid a thought I was raccoon Mario, I turned out just fine. That's just kids being kids.

I get that. Imagination is a wonderful thing. But if I say to an adult "thank you, miss" and she tells me she's no miss, she's a dragon, I think that's when the attempt for true equality has shifted into an unproductive place. I am saying this solely as a potential parent, and of my child. I'm not here to tell anyone else how to raise their kids.

It's not an all or nothing deal. Since we can't account for every single individual, we shouldn't bother trying? What a horrible attitude to have in life.

You missed the point I was making entirely. And your aggressiveness is doing your cause more harm than good.

 

[Makki]

What if... the question was reworded so it didnt imply gender but the mechanics didn't change, so instead it could ask "what do you look like?" and you choose a boy or a girl. What you look like is independent of your gender according to the modern times so it should please both sides.

 

[Venfayth]

What if... the question was reworded so it didnt imply gender but the mechanics didn't change, so instead it could ask "what do you look like?" and you choose a boy or a girl. What you look like is independent of your gender according to the modern times so it should please both sides.

I think this would be better than what they do now. Pokemon Go's "what's your style" thing works too.

 

[pastrami]

You missed the point I was making entirely. And your aggressiveness is doing your cause more harm than good.

Your point seemed to be that we can never account for every possible individual, so the only fair thing to do is not give character options. Am I wrong?

 

[ASIS]

I'm probably gonna get hammered for saying this, but what does a person with no gender look like?

 

[Lebon14]

The issue here is that GameFreak actively refuses to stray away from "Politically Correct" choices. So, for them, you are either male or female. Birth issues, gender identification/transgender, etc. don't exist.

It could be solved by carfacther customization and allow to wear anything from any sex in the customization. Now, if GameFreak could at least carry new features instead of re-inventing them each goddamn time, it would be a good start.

As for the base question, I'd like them to keep "Are you a boy or girl" coz I like to play as a female (given the choice) although I'm male.

I'm probably gonna get hammered for saying this, but what does a person with no gender look like?

You can't make a decision on either because they could be both. And they exist. See this Wikipedia article.

 

[ViolentP]

Your point seemed to be that we can never account for every possible individual, so the only fair thing to do is not give character options. Am I wrong?

Yes. I'm a cis male and I do not understand the plight being discussed. It's the sole purpose I involved myself in the discussion. Without knowing what the right move would be, I offered the only solution I could conjur. Someone then mentioned to me that an amicable solution to this issue is much simpler to attack than the way I was thinking. And now here I stand with a better understanding of what is being asked.

Again, I don't understand the problem therefore I cannot rightfully propose solution. I'm simply trying to understand.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

What if... the question was reworded so it didnt imply gender but the mechanics didn't change, so instead it could ask "what do you look like?" and you choose a boy or a girl. What you look like is independent of your gender according to the modern times so it should please both sides.

This is the exact question I was wondering and it makes sense to me. The idea that it presses you to choose whether you're a girl or boy rather than do you want to play as a girl or boy is a bit silly even outside of gender identity IRL.

 

[Yellowflashdude]

I'm not trying to start a fight here but I'd just like that say that there's a consistent theme of Japanese games being expected to be more inclusive or or progressive whilst the majority of Western games don't even get half that amount of scrutiny.

 

[PSqueak]

The issue here is that GameFreak actively refuses to stray away from "Politically Correct" choices. So, for them, you are either male or female. Birth issues, gender identification/transgender, etc. don't exist.

There is at least one undeniably canon transgender character in X/Y.

I mean, not saying that's enough, but hey, it's a start.

 

[DNAbro]

I'm not trying to start a fight here but I'd just like that say that there's a consistent theme of Japanese games being expected to be more inclusive or or progressive whilst the majority of Western games don't even get half that amount of scrutiny.

JP games are popular to talk about on GAF and often have more problematic issues than Western ones. Though I don't think Pokémon really falls into that.

 

[bj00rn_]

I find it sad that the idea of a game asking if you're a boy or girl is becoming an offensive concept :/

Yeah it's definitely pinch-worthy. I don't quite understand where society is supposed to go from here, a point where we actually are offended by everything, it's not just a saying anymore.

 

[Abilidebob]

Believe it or not, despite me having a vagina I can wear men's outward clothing. Yes indeed, pants and shorts do not inhibit the efficiency of my genitals. The same is also true for people with a penis wearing skirts and dresses. Magical, isn't it? If anything, you people with all that junk down there should appreciate a breeze every now and again.

Also, if the models are significantly different in 3D that you literally can't just plop the clothes on without clipping or any other errors, all you have to do is scale the clothes properly. Seriously, there's like a little scale option in every 3D software that allows you to reshape models. This isn't hard. You're making it hard.

The lack of good clothes for the male trainer in X&Y made me delete a 35 hour save and make a female trainer. If the male trainer could use any clothes(same for female trainer) it'd be damn great.

 

[Rasamune]

There is at least one undeniably canon transgender character in X/Y.

I mean, not saying that's enough, but hey, it's a start.

And would you believe that people tried to deny her identity too, lmao

I remember a big thread on tumblr where someone tried to argue that it was a mistranslation, so someone dug up the original text and it was even more explicit

 

[Ekai]

I thought the user knew what he was talking about, so I engaged in a conversation; they proved they don't, I'm out. Good luck changing the world!

The fact you're misgendering them tells me you didn't even read your posts before dismissing them.

I think people for the most part have the right to act as they please. Logistically speaking, I don't see how any sort of interactive media could possibly consider every type of gender people relate to. Fact is, they could add 300 different possibilities. But that 301st that was left out has just as valid an argument as those wanting their options. So how is that to be handled?

The only thing I can realistically come up with is a singular, predetermined character that everyone will share removing the feeling that you are that character entirely. It's the only fair option I can think of.

So first someone brings up "there's over 50 genders!" and posts a FB image where most everything either means the exact same thing or is a slur about transgender individuals and now we have you saying "there's over 300 genders!". When will the exaggerations end. Exaggeration doesn't help your argument and makes you seem insensitive because you're purposefully blowing something out of proportion and acting like simply including more options would be troublesome.

The issue with your "realistic" solution is it often caters to young white cis-men. They're benefiting from it regardless of character creation or not. It's all about power-fantasy there. It's not a fair solution. It removes fairness.

This thread is giving me flashbacks to that Max thread from a few weeks ago. Jesus fucking christ.

What was the Max thread?

 

[ishibear]

Thread is on a train ride to the abyss.

And over a simple question of all things. Smh.

It does seem outdated. I'm sure there's a way to inquire about players without leaving others feeling excluded.

 

[PSqueak]

And would you believe that people tried to deny her identity too, lmao

I remember a big thread on tumblr where someone tried to argue that it was a mistranslation, so someone dug up the original text and it was even more explicit

Yeah, the Japanese text was blatant, but the people trying to deny it argued against it because the US text only explains her as being trans for people who have deep knowledge of the game (IE, BlackBelt being a male trainer class among the NPCs, thus her explaining that she transitioned).

 

[optimiss]

I'm right there with you. Maybe I'm getting old, but I really don't see the issue. Choose whichever one you feel closest to, there are only two physical genders, after all. It's not like it defines you as a person.

There is no such thing as a "physical gender". "Physical sex", yes.

 

[Roni]

The fact you're misgendering them tells me you didn't even read your posts before dismissing them.

Or that I don't care whether I'm talking to a man or a woman, so I revert back to neutral gender. We still call it mankind, last I remember. I, personally, refer to unknown individuals as 'he' instead of 'it'. That also applies when the gender is not particularly important.

 

[Captainbojanglesiii]

I'm young, but even I struggle sometimes with the idea that a question like 'Are you a boy or a girl?', or even 'Do you identify as a boy or a girl?' is offensive to a substantial group of people. I can only imagine it being more difficult for the older generations. Gender is pretty ingrained into most cultures though, so it's difficult for me to imagine a scenario in which the question is dropped entirely just to appease what is in reality a small, albeit very vocal minority. That being said, there could be accommodating ways of making that group feel a bit more included.

The simplest solution is a character creator, but with the way the Pokemon has gone about the past. The whole shindig of questions is how the games always open, and getting rid of such would in fact change the way the games flow. While I could eventually see 'Do you identify as a boy or a girl?' make it into the games, I don't think that is going to be broken anytime soon. I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't be fixed because a character creator should be fully instated into this game even without considering this issue.

I find it sad that the idea of a game asking if you're a boy or girl is becoming an offensive concept :/

I concur to an extent. Gender is a really ingrained aspect of society, so the idea of essentially getting rid of it is strange to me.

At the same time, I don't like that the question could upset people.

 

[Ekai]

Or that I don't care whether I'm talking to a man or a woman, so I revert back to neutral gender. We still call it mankind, last I remember. I, personally, refer to unknown individuals as 'he' instead of 'it'.

But they didn't make their gender unknown. Their neutral gender would be that of a woman. >_>

 

[Mael]

Yeah, the Japanese text was blatant, but the people trying to deny it argued against it because the US text only explains her as being trans for people who have deep knowledge of the game (IE, BlackBelt being a male trainer class among the NPCs, thus her explaining that she transitioned).

So it pretty much was the Localization team being all "Woah, we can't really be that explicit" and you have people in the community denying it was even there.
Pretty lame that they felt the need to obscure it in the translation.

 

[ViolentP]

So first someone brings up "there's over 50 genders!" and posts a FB image where most everything either means the exact same thing or is a slur about transgender individuals and now we have you saying "there's over 300 genders!". When will the exaggerations end. Exaggeration doesn't help your argument and makes you seem insensitive because you're purposefully blowing something out of proportion and acting like simply including more options would be troublesome.

The issue with your "realistic" solution is it often caters to young white cis-men. They're benefiting from it regardless of character creation or not. It's all about power-fantasy there. It's not a fair solution. It removes fairness.

Jesus. I am not claiming there are 300 genders. I was looking at the logistical hurdles in a unified solution to make everyone happy. What I proposed wasn't what I believed to be the end all solution, it was solely the only thing I could think of without fully understanding the issue. You need to calm down a bit and actually try to have a discussion about intention before you start jumping down peoples throats with what you believe their intentions to be. Please look at my last reply above if you actually care about where my intentions lie.

 

[PSqueak]

Or that I don't care whether I'm talking to a man or a woman, so I revert back to neutral gender. We still call it mankind, last I remember. I, personally, refer to unknown individuals as 'he' instead of 'it'. That also applies when the gender is not particularly important.

Come on, this is an english speaking forum, english has this totally fucking awesome and convenient wildcard pronoun "They", you don't have to default to male.

Do you know how handy would be for other languages to have "they" as a wild card too?


Also, it's Human kind, not mankind.

So it pretty much was the Localization team being all "Woah, we can't really be that explicit" and you have people in the community denying it was even there.
Pretty lame that they felt the need to obscure it in the translation.

Yeah, pretty lame indeed, but i take that over the localization team downright erasing her identity, baby steps i guess.

 

[Dreavus]

Maybe it could be phrased differently. A lot of games don't phrase it like a question it's just an option between different avatars. Fire emblem for example. For the player character/avatar, you're not in a conversation with an NPC or anything, it just lets you pick. Is that what you mean?

I think it could also be construed to be referring to what you identify as without too much of a stretch. "Are you...?" doesn't necessarily mean "Are you biologically...?". While the game presents itself as being "you ARE the trainer!" there are lots of players who just take it as an avatar choice. I know a ton of people who are CIS male but go with the girl avatar anyways. I suppose it's all how you read into it and how much of intend to role play off of this choice.

 

[Mael]

I'm young, but even I struggle sometimes with the idea that a question like 'Are you a boy or a girl?', or even 'Do you identify as a boy or a girl?' is offensive to a substantial group of people. I can only imagine it being more difficult for the older generations. Gender is pretty ingrained into most cultures though, so it's difficult for me to imagine a scenario in which the question is dropped entirely just to appease what is in reality a small, albeit very vocal minority. That being said, there could be accommodating ways of making that group feel a bit more included.

The simplest solution is a character creator, but with the way the Pokemon has gone about the past. The whole shindig of questions is how the games always open, and getting rid of such would in fact change the way the games flow. While I could eventually see 'Do you identify as a boy or a girl?' make it into the games, I don't think that is going to be broken anytime soon. I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't be fixed because a character creator should be fully instated into this game even without considering this issue.

Just open the game with "what do you look like" with all the options present and ask if you identify as boy/girl/neutral and change the text as needed if you have to.
We're not on gameboy anymore, there's more than 8 different languages already in the cart so it's not like the game is hurting for space.

 

[Ysarus]

But all of that is pretty secondary to this thread, anyway... This is more about people who identify as non-binary, and the vast majority of those people aren't intersex.

Well, I agree about that actually. I was originally responding to people who said: "there are only two biological sexes and that's what the game is asking you about". Which I disagree with anyway.

It's way harder, i know, i live in mexico and thus speak spanish, a language where absolutely every noun is gendered even when it refers to things without a biological sex and where shenanigans abound, such as the fact that the default gender of a generic squirrel regardless of the actual sex of the squirrel is female.

But it's not impossible, it just would be worded a bit awkwardly (which it was, when mexico released special editions of Pokemon Blue and Red in spanish, the official nintendo magazine in the country made fun of the weird phrasings, because even before gender was an option the games were neutrally written).

For example, in english "Congratulations, you're the new champion" would have to be gendered for a literal trnaslation to spanish "Felicidades, eres el/la nuevo/nueva campeon/campeona", but you can actually write it neutrally as "Felicidades, has ganado el campeonato" (Congratulations, you have won the championship", sounds weird, but otherwise perfectly neutral.

Would it sound awkward? yes of course, but it would be gender neutral with a bit of work. Change has to start somewhere.

It's pretty cool that they went that route originally, I didn't know that. Maybe you're right, especially since the character limit isn't as strict nowadays. Maybe there would be ways to make it sound more natural now.

thank you. perfect example. of course there's slightly more effort than just doing a find/replace on "he/his/her/him". But let's be serious here - this is Pokemon, not War and Peace. The total effort for the localization team would be negligible.

I've had to translate relatively short texts from English to French where the protagonist's gender was purposefully left unknown. "Negligible" is not the word I would pick. It's a mountain of work, and it usually doesn't sound great in the end.

To add to this, language is also constantly evolving and changing. Gender neutral terms could be introduced into every romantic language if the governments so desired, to be honest. Of course, something to this scale is not an overnight change, but it's totally possible.

The main problem with that is that in French, male is the default. As in, you have to add something to a male word to turn it female. This means there's no way to logically form neutral words (which should be the default if that grammatical gender came to exist).

 

[Boney]

Bruh pls.

I like how having more options and not strongly reinforcing the binary to kids is needlessly complicating things. This is why nonbinary people have a tough time, even within the LGBT/MOGAI community.

But it's about context here. Doctor offices should have forms that include gender identity and sexual attraction for a better check up and for the patient to not be on the defense about his personal matters.

But Pokemon asks the question if the character you want to play as is a boy or a girl, with the new ones allowing for some slight costumization for skin tone ans the like. This way the player can inmediatly choose which style they like more and go from there.

Gender identity is too complex to be challenged and explored via character creator with a silent protagonist. There's many different academic approaches challenging the normative gender binary paradigm, but even those can be opposite to each other. In the simplest terms there's the sex and gender distinction, in which they don't necessarily match with each other, I understand that situation and how it happens in real life, which many times it'll include heavy trauma and hardships due to the incongruency of his self towards the status quo.

So what's the suggestion for Pokemon? Include both gender and sex question and have four different default character designs? Accuse me of being a privileged cis gendered prick but it simple fiction, isn't just asking for the gender be sufficient to make people happy? I'd assume transgendered people would pick the character they identify as or choose what design the like the most, it's needlessly convoluted to try to approximate reality by having more complex ways of understanding gender.

Representation is important, I agree. Perhaps allowing for the creation of trans characters would raise sensibilities towards the plight of the LGBTQ community. But in a silent protagonist one can project whatever one wants, maybe including npc's would be a much better choice here. And how do you draw the line at representation, don't disabled people also be properly represented in our media? At the end, keeping it the simplest way possible seems to be the easiest way to not offend anybody.

 

[Mael]

I've had to translate relatively short texts from English to French where the protagonist's gender was purposefully left unknown. "Negligible" is not the word I would pick. It's a mountain of work, and it usually doesn't sound great in the end.



The main problem with that is that in French, male is the default. As in, you have to add something to a male word to turn it female. This means there's no way to logically form neutral words (which should be the default if that grammatical gender came to exist).

It's work but it's not such a mountain that pokemon as a franchise as to cut corners here.
Pokémon games these days have a team working for translation in French anyway.
There's still a limit as far as space goes but it can't absolutely be that low that it can't be worked around.

and gender neutral doesn't really work in French, it's male by default but that's the language.

 

[Lucky Seven]

They really need a drop down menu. It's 2016!

 

[Sonson21]

Topic just made me sick

 

[Roni]

But they didn't make their gender unknown. Their neutral gender would be that of a woman. >_>

I feel like my updated statement is still sufficient.

Come on, this is an english speaking forum, english has this totally fucking awesome and convenient wildcard pronoun "They", you don't have to default to male.

Hence the personally in my sentence.

Also, it's Human kind, not mankind.

It's mankind and we still call it that, whether or not we also call it other things is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

 

[dezzy8]

Wtf is this shit? What else is there? It's either you are a male or female. If you "identify" yourself as one pick it.

 

[Peltz]

Should gamefreak and all other video game companies who currently use a binary gender option in their games handle selection the same way as Facebook? Honestly, if I didn't identify as male or female, and I'm given a list of 50+ gender options and my gender STILL isn't represented, I would be more disappointed

That chart is eye opening. Never knew there were so many different terms.

 

[Nepenthe]

I think people for the most part have the right to act as they please. Logistically speaking, I don't see how any sort of interactive media could possibly consider every type of gender people relate to. Fact is, they could add 300 different possibilities. But that 301st that was left out has just as valid an argument as those wanting their options. So how is that to be handled?

The only thing I can realistically come up with is a singular, predetermined character that everyone will share removing the feeling that you are that character entirely. It's the only fair option I can think of.

First, let me say that it is unfair to put the burden of catering to everyone onto minorities. I see this happen all the time on Gaming Side where someone of a specific minority asks for more representation for themselves and others like them, and the majority of people against inclusiveness ask them to figure out how to represent literally everyone whether or not they identify with those others or belong in their culture, or else they cannot be allowed to have the original representation they were originally asking for. That is insulting and disingenuous. It is not, for example, a transperson's responsibility to speak for non-binary people anymore than it's my responsibility as a black person to speak for Latinx. Don't put the burden of everyone on the few.

Second, I am cisgendered. I don't think about how I have to deal with these issues every day or how binary options impact others, so asking me to try and solve the riddle of including 300 genders (really?), especially when the thread is ultimately asking for an option to express a single non-binary/gender-neutral option outside of that, is also really disingenuous.

Third, following from that, I feel like two answers have been given in this thread already by people that make sense and cater to everyone of these 300 (really?) genders: Add an option to include gender-neutral pronouns when the trainer is selected in the beginning, and/or add in Pokemon GO's system where you are allowed more options to customize the look of the trainer regardless of the model's look and subsequently have them referred to by name/gender neutral pronouns like "they" in-game. These are simple solutions with existing precedence that open the door for other possibilities for gender expression without infringing on cisgender people's "safe space" that ultimately don't really hurt anyone, but people are pretending to be hurt because "think of the kids" (yeah right) or "Why should I have to navigate more options?" (c'mon son.)

T_T

Maaaaaaaaaan fuck Crystal (the game).

Mhmm, sure, whatever you say. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about... But it doesn't seem like that matters any to you when you consider whether or not you should argue with someone.

TIL I cannot wear pants because I have a vagina.

 

[ViolentP]

First, let me say that it is unfair to put the burden of catering to everyone onto minorities. I see this happen all the time on Gaming Side where someone of a specific minority asks for more representation for themselves and others like them, and the majority of people against inclusiveness ask them to figure out how to represent literally everyone whether or not they identify with those others or belong in their culture in some seemingly-obtuse way to "be fair" and muddle the original argument. That is insulting and disingenuous. It is not, for example, a transperson's responsibility to speak for non-binary people anymore than it's my responsibility as a black person to speak for Latinx. Don't put the burden of everyone on the few.

Second, I am cisgendered. I don't think about how I have to deal with these issues every day or how binary options impact others, so asking me to try and solve the riddle of including 300 genders (really?), especially when the thread is ultimately asking for an option to express a single non-binary/gender-neutral option outside of that, is also really disingenuous.

Third, following from that, I feel like two answers have been given in this thread already by people that make sense and cater to everyone of these 300 (really?) genders: Add an option to include gender-neutral pronouns when the trainer is selected in the beginning, and/or add in Pokemon GO's system where you are allowed more options to customize the look of the trainer regardless of the model's look and subsequently have them referred to by name/gender neutral pronouns like "they" in-game. These are simple solutions with existing precedence that open the door for other possibilities for gender expression without infringing on cisgender people's "safe space" that ultimately don't really hurt anyone, but people are pretending to be hurt because "think of the kids" (yeah right) or "Why should I have to navigate more options?" (c'mon son.)

Please read the remainder of my conversation. No offense to you but this would be the third reply in a row where I would have to explain my initial statement.

 

[KLoWn]

I know that you can pick one or the other but what if you associate with neither or both? I just find it lame that it is asking you if you are a boy or girl in the first place and implying that you are either.

Alright, I just got to ask. If you don't identify as either, what do you identify yourself as?

Call me old, but I have no clue.

I find it sad that the idea of a game asking if you're a boy or girl is becoming an offensive concept :/

I don't know if the OP was actually offended by it, but yes, it's not something you should be offended by.

 

[Sai-kun]

Is clothing still gender restricted, or is it a lot more free like Animal Crossing? Being able to dress my character in literally anything that was available in AC was fucking rad.