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[chaosaeon]

The best thing is get them, test them, if they go bad in...well whatever amazon return time is you can send them back. More expensive these days doesn't mean much. A lot is luck of the draw

Think I'll go with this then
https://www.amazon.ca/HDMI-Cable-ICZI-High-Speed-Flat/dp/B01IEGIFYE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1477722879&sr=1-1&keywords=HDMI+Cable%2C+ICZI+High+Speed+Flat+HDMI+Cable
Both flat wired, good reviews on them individually, and you get two for an added couple bucks over just one. Thanks for the good advice too.

 

[Talax]

How good is the Sony x850d for HDR?
Any problems with this TV overall?

 

[Omnistalgic]

How good is the Sony x850d for HDR?
Any problems with this TV overall?

I'm looking to get this one as well...just wondering how it compares to the Samsung one everyone recommends.

I like both brands but prefer Sony TV's the most

 

[Rbk_3]

You sure on the HDR and DV?

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1469791153

Yes I am sure. I owned the M70 and M65s before returning them for the KS8000


Read the rtings review
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2016

"The Vizio M Series 2016 LED TV provides great picture quality and overall performance, excelling in motion performance for watching sports or playing video games. Unfortunately it can't get very bright and doesn't have good 4k HDR support. Overall it is an improvement on the Vizio M Series 2015, and the performance is close to the higher end Vizio P Series 2016. "

Bought one of these for my 2009 P50G10 series panny plasma. Used for several thousand hours now and it's a godsend. http://audiodane.dandk.org/pmcv2/

Wow thanks, I have never heard of this. I am going to order one of those now.

 

[Madness]

How good is the Sony x850d for HDR?
Any problems with this TV overall?

Midrange. Can do 400-425 nits of sustained brightness. The Samsung KS8000 does like 500-1000+ nits. Ultimately you want this number as high as possible because UHD premium/HDR10 specs want at least 1000 at the upper levels. HDR looks amazing, and when you see it on the x850D you'll be impressed

I'm looking to get this one as well...just wondering how it compares to the Samsung one everyone recommends.

I like both brands but prefer Sony TV's the most

Read above. It is not as good for HDR as the KS8000 but it also costs less. The Sony television will have better media abilities because of Android TV versus Samsung tizen os, but if your goal is the best HDR, than the Samsung wins here. I feel Sony has better motion, colour, upscaling technology, but the Samsung has better HDR performance.

 

[Talax]

Midrange. Can do 400-425 nits of sustained brightness. The Samsung KS8000 does like 500-1000+ nits. Ultimately you want this number as high as possible because UHD premium/HDR10 specs want at least 1000 at the upper levels. HDR looks amazing, and when you see it on the x850D you'll be impressed



Read above. It is not as good for HDR as the KS8000 but it also costs less. The Sony television will have better media abilities because of Android TV versus Samsung tizen os, but if your goal is the best HDR, than the Samsung wins here. I feel Sony has better motion, colour, upscaling technology, but the Samsung has better HDR performance.

Thank you. I was checking this one because it kinda falls within my budget. KS8000 is a bit expensive for me.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

Yes I am sure. I owned the M70 and M65s before returning them for the KS8000


Read the rtings review
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-2016

"The Vizio M Series 2016 LED TV provides great picture quality and overall performance, excelling in motion performance for watching sports or playing video games. Unfortunately it can't get very bright and doesn't have good 4k HDR support. Overall it is an improvement on the Vizio M Series 2015, and the performance is close to the higher end Vizio P Series 2016. "

Thanks for the re-reply. Why they have to make this stuff so confusing is beyond me. Anyway, my next choices were the KS8000 or KS8500. Are you happy with the KS8000?

 

[mrklaw]

If I don't want to shell out for another receiver just for 4K switching, is it practical to use the TV for direct connection and feed the audio via ARC to the receiver? What limitations would there be doing this? It would be a mix of blurays with losslesss audio and various content with normal 5.1 audio tracks

 

[Lady Gaia]

Thanks for the re-reply. Why they have to make this stuff so confusing is beyond me. Anyway, my next choices were the KS8000 or KS8500. Are you happy with the KS8000?

We have a KS8000 at our other home (actually a KS800D which is the Costco model, zero differences except cosmetically) and I'm seriously considering buying another one here despite having a perfectly good 1080p set. That's how impressed I've been.

You're probably already aware, but the KS8500 is identical except that it's curved.

 

[notacat]

Nice. Guessing that was the update that also just came up for my X850C. Not that I have any way to directly measure it, but I've been hoping we'd get an update for this with the Pro coming.

Nice! I have a 810c. it supports HDR over streaming, but they refuse to update it to do it via HDMI for some reason.

 

[Darryl M R]

We have a KS8000 at our other home (actually a KS800D which is the Costco model, zero differences except cosmetically) and I'm seriously considering buying another one here despite having a perfectly good 1080p set. That's how impressed I've been.

You're probably already aware, but the KS8500 is identical except that it's curved.

What's different with the Costco model?

 

[Chamber]

What's different with the Costco model?

The color of the bezel.

I'm serious.

 

[Slixshot]

We have a KS8000 at our other home (actually a KS800D which is the Costco model, zero differences except cosmetically) and I'm seriously considering buying another one here despite having a perfectly good 1080p set. That's how impressed I've been.

You're probably already aware, but the KS8500 is identical except that it's curved.

How much we talkin $$$???

 

[Lady Gaia]

What's different with the Costco model?

The color of the bezel.

I'm serious.

Yup. The Costco bezel uses a darker metallic finish that I actually preferred but it's an absurdly minor detail. The main difference is that by having a unique model number they don't have to price match and can differentiate on warranty and so forth.

How much we talkin $$$???

The 55-inch model is $1198 today on Amazon, and Best Buy et al should price match. The 65-inch is currently $1848 which is more than we paid when we got ours. There are also 49 and 60-inch variants that I haven't research beyond hearing about the different panel source for the 60 here and on AVSForum.

 

[Rice-Eater]

I know this is a TV thread, but does anybody have the LG 27UD68? Any thoughts you have on it? I've been debating constantly about getting a new 27/28 inch 4k monitor or a small 40-43 inch 4K TV for my bedroom. I'd love to get a new 4K monitor since I would be using it a lot more than I would use the TV, but do most of you guys feel that 4K isn't worth it for a screen size that small?

 

[family_guy]

If I don't want to shell out for another receiver just for 4K switching, is it practical to use the TV for direct connection and feed the audio via ARC to the receiver? What limitations would there be doing this? It would be a mix of blurays with losslesss audio and various content with normal 5.1 audio tracks

Yes you can do this, but you won't get lossless audio. TV will have to convert it down to lossy 5.1 before passing it to the receiver.

 

[Rbk_3]

Thanks for the re-reply. Why they have to make this stuff so confusing is beyond me. Anyway, my next choices were the KS8000 or KS8500. Are you happy with the KS8000?

Very happy, much more so than the P and M series I returned.
I had the KS8500 before the 8000 and the backlight bleed was terrible and others on AVS have reported similar. The 8000 has no bleed what so ever.


Here is a pic of my 8500 I had. It was a disaster.

 

[Phreak47]

Yeah and I'll be happy with a pro.

Sticking with the KS8000! Picking it up next week before the costco sale is over.

I need to take down my old huge sony LCD (giving it to my dad), mount my LG LED where the Sony used to be, and the Samsung is going in the basement.

Oh shite, it's on sale at Costco? I was just thinking of waiting for a BF deal but this might be the way to go.

 

[Madness]

Yup. The Costco bezel uses a darker metallic finish that I actually preferred but it's an absurdly minor detail. The main difference is that by having a unique model number they don't have to price match and can differentiate on warranty and so forth.

The 55-inch model is $1198 today on Amazon, and Best Buy et al should price match. The 65-inch is currently $1848 which is more than we paid when we got ours. There are also 49 and 60-inch variants that I haven't research beyond hearing about the different panel source for the 60 here and on AVSForum.

49" surprisingly is the most costly because these days it is such a niche size. If people are buying flagships they want bigger sizes, 55" or 65" etc. So the quality at below 50" drops. The KS8000 is probably the best at size of 49". Costco requires different bezels or some changed spec so that they have their own model built for their distribution.

 

[Darryl M R]

Yup. The Costco bezel uses a darker metallic finish that I actually preferred but it's an absurdly minor detail. The main difference is that by having a unique model number they don't have to price match and can differentiate on warranty and so forth.



The 55-inch model is $1198 today on Amazon, and Best Buy et al should price match. The 65-inch is currently $1848 which is more than we paid when we got ours. There are also 49 and 60-inch variants that I haven't research beyond hearing about the different panel source for the 60 here and on AVSForum.

So in theory I could get the Costco model for cheaper? Do I just need to look for sales or did you negotiate on the sale floor?

 

[sasliquid]

If I'm getting a 4k tv before the end of the year it would probly be this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01EKZOHAO/

Any feedback in regards to gaming?

 

[Madness]

If I'm getting a 4k tv before the end of the year it would probly be this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01EKZOHAO/

Any feedback in regards to gaming?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01HM7JPMW/

Go for this. Has nothing to do with brands. If you are not getting the KS8000 series, the rest of Samsung and LG and Sharp pale in comparison to Sony. If you need that size, get the Sony X800D series, you'll get better motion, less input lag, better HDR, and Android TV to boot.

 

[Lady Gaia]

So in theory I could get the Costco model for cheaper? Do I just need to look for sales or did you negotiate on the sale floor?

It was an advertised sale back in early September, and I don't think Costco has been consistently cheaper. Keep an eye on various vendors and jump in when the price is right for you. Or hold off, because technology always gets better and cheaper in time. That's what I reminding myself or else I'll have to pick this set up along with a receiver that supports all the relevant standards.

 

[Parshias7]

I've been going back and forth recently and am looking for a bit of advice from GAF on a TV to buy.

I'm looking at Vizio D Series VS Sony X800D VS Vizio P Series at the moment.

The D Series is the cheapest option by a good margin, and has the lowest latency. But it doesn't have HDR at all and the picture quality isn't as good.

X800D supports HDR well, but has higher latency than either Vizio model. (but we're talking 30ms latency vs like 20~ for the Vizio sets)

P Series is the most expensive, but reviews suggest it has the best picture quality. Latency with HDR on is noticeably worse, although there might be a patch for that in the future. Noteworthy that this set is 120Hz screen vs 60Hz for the other two.

I guess I'm not sure how important HDR would necessarily be for me? Plus I read that a 120Hz refresh rate should make things generally look smoother, but not sure how dramatic a difference that would really make to be worth the extra money.

 

[Madness]

If the goal is 4k and HDR gaming with low latency go with the X800D. If the goal is best overall picture go with the P series.

120hz is really a nonfactor when you are at 4K resolutions. The sheer amount of pixels and visual data means you will hardly notice blur especially under 50". People with 4K/30hz televisions will be hard pressed for the same.

So if your goal though is 1080p and 120hz for right now, the vizio will be better. But reading rtings it seems the 50" version of the P series is not a 120hz native panel. Keep in mind price too. What makes the X800D series so popular is what you get for the price.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Any uk deals on good TVs?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Yes you can do this, but you won't get lossless audio. TV will have to convert it down to lossy 5.1 before passing it to the receiver.

Between me feeling it's premature in being able to get a quality 4K HDR set and also the fact that I would need to replace my high end receiver, I'm feeling justified right not on waiting a year or two at this point.

 

[Dezzy]

I just got the LG UH7700 60" and so far I think it's great, but the problem I have with it is that it only has 3 HDMI inputs. 2 if I use one for ARC to my 5.1 AV receiver, which I'd love to do. Optical just isn't as good.

On my old TV, I just had all HDMI devices plugged into the AVR, which then went to the TV with just 1 input. Now with 4k, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2, I can't do that. So my options are to buy a new AVR(another couple hundred bucks I'd rather not spend) find a good HDMI switcher, or just settle for using optical for audio.

Anyone know of a good AVR/w speakers or an HDMI switcher that fully supports the new specs?

 

[Madness]

I just got the LG UH7700 60" and so far I think it's great, but the problem I have with it is that it only has 3 HDMI inputs. 2 if I use one for ARC to my 5.1 AV receiver, which I'd love to do. Optical just isn't as good.

On my old TV, I just had all HDMI devices plugged into the AVR, which then went to the TV with just 1 input. Now with 4k, HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2, I can't do that. So my options are to buy a new AVR(another couple hundred bucks I'd rather not spend) find a good HDMI switcher, or just settle for using optical for audio.

Anyone know of a good AVR/w speakers or an HDMI switcher that fully supports the new specs?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J5UXKWA/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I have the older 1080p version of this which worked flawlessly for years. The automatic switching is the best. I believe this has the newest standards. I do not know about HDR with this switcher. So you may want to keep your HDR primary sources limited to the television and anything else including 3d and 4k with the switcher.

 

[Karak]

Between me feeling it's premature in being able to get a quality 4K HDR set and also the fact that I would need to replace my high end receiver, I'm feeling justified right not on waiting a year or two at this point.

LOL I actually test this stuff and I could not agree more. The lack of content, the poor tech mixed with future tech, the cost, and the other peripherals. I love HDR but its completely not ready for primetime if gaming is a primary facet of your entertainment budget.

 

[DBT85]

LOL I actually test this stuff and I could not agree more. The lack of content, the poor tech mixed with future tech, the cost, and the other peripherals. I love HDR but its completely not ready for primetime if gaming is a primary facet of your entertainment budget.

Between my general dislike of anything Samsung (apart from their SSDs), a need for a new RX, a shite internet connection prohibiting 4k Netflix, and a lack of purchase intent for 4k BluRay, a 4k TV just doesn't make any sense for me right now.

My brother has one of last years top end Sony sets and it is gorgeous and looks great even with the compressed to death standard Sky HD signal, but unless my current TV dies I have decided to stick with it for the next 18 months at least. I'll take my supersampled Pro games for the time being.

 

[Formosa]

If I don't want to shell out for another receiver just for 4K switching, is it practical to use the TV for direct connection and feed the audio via ARC to the receiver? What limitations would there be doing this? It would be a mix of blurays with losslesss audio and various content with normal 5.1 audio tracks

I had the ps to receiver to TV set up before. Now I am ps to tv to receiver, I believe this way will have less lag input. The downside is there will be no 5.1 pcm sound output from tv to receiver, but 5.1 dts sound is good enough for me.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

I'm in the same camp.

Got everything running through my Sony soundbar atm then with one HDMI to my Sony TV.

However if I were to upgrade I'm gonna need to upgrade the soundbar too to support the new standards for HDR.

Not sure if I want to do that yet. :/

 

[Phreak47]

I think the deal is going to be using a HDR compatible HDMI splitter and have one going to the current connection and the other straight to the tv.

 

[huh1678]

I'm in the same camp.

Got everything running through my Sony soundbar atm then with one HDMI to my Sony TV.

However if I were to upgrade I'm gonna need to upgrade the soundbar too to support the new standards for HDR.

Not sure if I want to do that yet. :/

I'm a bit confused, why would you need your sound bar to support the new standards of hdr? As far as I know hdr is more brightness and production of a wider color range.

I'm only asking since I currently have a sound bar on the way while still waiting for the x800d to go on sale. I don't want compatibility issues =/

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'm a bit confused, why would you need your sound bar to support the new standards of hdr? As far as I know hdr is more brightness and production of a wider color range.

I'm only asking since I currently have a sound bar on the way while still waiting for the x800d to go on sale. I don't want compatibility issues =/

He has his sources going to the sound bar before going to the tv for video. Since the sound bar is in between, it needs to be able to pass on the HDR signal or the tv won't receive it.

 

[michaelius]

How good is the Sony x850d for HDR?
Any problems with this TV overall?

X850 is meh - with Sony you want cheaper X800 or go look for deals on x93 for X850 price Samsung KS is much better buy

 

[sasliquid]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01HM7JPMW/

Go for this. Has nothing to do with brands. If you are not getting the KS8000 series, the rest of Samsung and LG and Sharp pale in comparison to Sony. If you need that size, get the Sony X800D series, you'll get better motion, less input lag, better HDR, and Android TV to boot.

But that's £200 more expensive, I really shouldn't spend more than £500

 

[Marty Chinn]

But that's £200 more expensive, I really shouldn't spend more than £500

You should probably wait until next year if price is your concern then.

 

[sasliquid]

You should probably wait until next year if price is your concern then.

Well I live in England so I expect all imports will get notably more expensive next year

 

[Rbk_3]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01HM7JPMW/

Go for this. Has nothing to do with brands. If you are not getting the KS8000 series, the rest of Samsung and LG and Sharp pale in comparison to Sony. If you need that size, get the Sony X800D series, you'll get better motion, less input lag, better HDR, and Android TV to boot.

One correction, the Samsung has lower input lag, unless you want to play with Interpolation.

Samsung KU6000 (KU7000 US)

1080p @ 60Hz : 24.7 ms
1080p With Interpolation : 116.5 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 110.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 37.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz : 21.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 37.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR : 21.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR : 37.1 ms

Sony X800D

1080p @ 60Hz : 33.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation : 49.1 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 49.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 33.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR : 33.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR : 33.2 ms

 

[fritolay]

Why do people recommend Samsung still? A couple years ago didn't they start putting various panels in their TV's, in same models, so you basically rolled the dice if it was an actual Samsung panel or one of 2 others?

 

[superjona]

People who are using the 4K LG OLED's, how noticeable is the input lag in a real life situation? I'm not a competitive gamer but I do enjoy occasional multiplayer fights. I'm planning to go OLED but seemingly high input lag is the only thing that's bothering me.

 

[Rbk_3]

Why do people recommend Samsung still? A couple years ago didn't they start putting various panels in their TV's, in same models, so you basically rolled the dice if it was an actual Samsung panel or one of 2 others?

They recommend them because they are by far the best bang for your buck if you want an HDR TV to game on.

I have the KS8000 with the AOU panel and it is damn near perfect. In fact, I am free of some of the issues people with the Samsung panel have, like brighter top and bottom edges on certain bright content.


Here is an interesting report Rtings did on the panel lottery. They bought the same TV with all 3 manufacturers. The Samsung panel was actually the worst in nearly every category.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/learn/panel-lottery-samsung


We can conclude of a few things from this experiment:
1.Different sizes of the same model can indeed have different manufacturers of the panels
2.There are differences between them
3.The differences are not big
4.Samsung panels are not better across the board

It is unfortunate that manufacturers vary the source of their panels and that the consumers don't really know what they are buying. Overall though, at least in the units that we tested, the panel lottery isn't something to worry about. While there are differences, the differences aren't big and an original Samsung panel is not necessarily better.

 

[sasliquid]

One correction, the Samsung has lower input lag, unless you want to play with Interpolation.

Samsung KU6000 (KU7000 US)

1080p @ 60Hz : 24.7 ms
1080p With Interpolation : 116.5 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 110.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 37.7 ms
4k @ 60Hz : 21.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 37.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR : 21.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR : 37.1 ms

Sony X800D

1080p @ 60Hz : 33.3 ms
1080p With Interpolation : 49.1 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode : 49.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 33.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 : 35.3 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR : 33.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR : 33.2 ms

I may be ignant in this field, so what is interpolation in regards to tvs?

 

[Chamber]

Why do people recommend Samsung still? A couple years ago didn't they start putting various panels in their TV's, in same models, so you basically rolled the dice if it was an actual Samsung panel or one of 2 others?

Because not everyone cares about that? Based on what I've researched over the last of 2 months, every TV sucks in one way or another. You basically need to figure out what's important to you and make a decision or just keep waiting around for that "perfect" TV that will never show up.

 

[Rbk_3]

I may be ignant in this field, so what is interpolation in regards to tvs?

Soap Oprah Effect

https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-the-soap-opera-effect/

 

[mrklaw]

Well I live in England so I expect all imports will get notably more expensive next year

this is good point. Might get me to upgrade sooner rather than later.

However, you have to consider a good, solid 4k + HDR set for £600 is a pretty damn good price. Wanting to spend sub £500 is a little unrealistic at the moment I think.


Whats the best option for a 55" set? I heard the Sonys were IPS panels at 49" and 55". but not a fan of Samsung so are there good alternatives at a not crazy price?

 

[madmackem]

But that's £200 more expensive, I really shouldn't spend more than £500

Check out the Samsung ku6400, it can be had under £500 and is a great tv for gaming sub 20ms input lag and has HDR, you won't get full HDR though as it's not the ks series which is where the full HDR starts with Samsung.

 

[shinobi602]

The 60" KS8000 is down to $1397 on Amazon. Really tempted to pull the trigger because it keeps going up then down, up and down.

Just need to wait until next week when BF ads start leaking out just in case.