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Nintendo Switch Presentation - January 12th

Mihael Mello Keehl said:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1303535&page=1
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So that's Jonneh3003's indirect argument. What's your?

If I simply rephrase to: "the driving and drift mechanics have been improved in the later games and going back to them would be a huge step back" would that be better?

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I don't really see the need for a DKR campaign in Mario Kart. The hub was a glorified, but much slower "menu" taking you from race to race, which is what the Grand Prix mode already does. Expanding on DS's mission mode would be more ideal.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Yeah, it was on her Twitter. It just irked me because I saw her post it a couple of time for donating or giving her some money for leaking Switch news. I'm hoping she was just joking.
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IIRC she's managing a blog and is just asking for donation so she can continue to reports stuff and write articles.
 
If I'm not mistaken LPVG is run based on Patreon donations, as are some other high profile gaming journalism platforms. Whether that's a bad thing is up to each individual person, but we're used to ad-supported content being the norm online so I think paid journalistic content is a mental adjustment for a lot of us.
 
ramparter said:
I'd be ok with just uping the resolution like emulatiing on Dolphin and release for like 10-15$ each.
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A Wii / GC Virtual Console with moderate image quality improvements would be ideal for games like that - N64 titles' resolution bump on the original Wii VC does show there's some sort of precedent in that area, at least.
 
BGBW said:
So that's Jonneh3003's indirect argument. What's your?

If I simply rephrase to: "the driving and drift mechanics have been improved in the later games and going back to them would be a huge step back" would that be better?

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I don't really see the need for a DKR campaign in Mario Kart. The hub was a glorified, but much slower "menu" taking you from race to race, which is what the Grand Prix mode already does. Expanding on DS's mission mode would be more ideal.
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Heh, I just wanted to post that. Not interested in mario kart mechanics specifically
 
TheMoon said:
What does it being a SRPG have to do with it? Also, you're remastering TWO SRPGs and selling them at "full price" with "full price" being the usual "not actually full price because Nintendo games are pretty consistently cheaper than others" :)
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I just don't think they'd need the remaster treatment as much as other games because of the genre? I'm not playing FE titles for the visual appeal, I'm in it for the story. That's my own opinion though, of course. If Nintendo could give it a special Ninty remaster and throw in some extra content, I'd be well up for it.
 
Mpl90 said:
Ok, but where is Nintendo being average at communication when you're picking up something that Capcom said, completely unrelated to any console (explicitly), just about one of their major franchises. Where is the link between a statement from Capcom unrelated to anything Nintendo and, indeed, Nintendo's communication.
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If Capcom would have been allowed to talk about Switch games, the discussion would have been now much more focused on how cool it is that we get more MH console games on Switch already. Like for example following the recent Direct, Instead, the discussion is rather focused on PS4 MH now. Which we don't know if it exists or not. Maybe it exists. Or maybe it was just a generalization because they can't talk about Switch.

But Nintendo can't do anything wrong. So I guess it's somehow Capcom's fault that they need to actually give some perspective for future to their own investors.

Edit: want another example? EA talking about the glorious future of Xbone and PS4 and Switch not existing at all in their investor conference. Yeah, I know, who cares about EA?
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
Except DD. Your inactive player alone could hold two without you having to drag anything.

DD is still the best game in the series
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DD is the GOAT, no question about it. Only game I've played more than that is probably Diablo 2.

KingSnake said:
If Capcom would have been allowed to talk about Switch games, the discussion would have been now much more focused on how cool it is that we get more MH console games on Switch already. Like for example following the recent Direct, Instead, the discussion is rather focused on PS4 MH now. Which we don't know if it exists or not. Maybe it exists. Or maybe it was just a generalization because they can't talk about Switch.

But Nintendo can't do anything wrong. So I guess it's somehow Capcom's fault that they need to actually give some perspective for future to their own investors.

Edit: want another example? EA talking about the glorious future of Xbone and PS4 and Switch not existing at all in their investor conference. Yeah, I know, who cares about EA?
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It's obviously fair to criticize Nintendo about the mandated silence, but consider what happened this past year. We heard absolutely nothing about Switch or any games, and then the reveal trailer wound up blowing minds rather than being the let down we were all worried it would be (for me, and most I think, anyway).

It definitely sucks for fans to not know what's going on, but their plan of silence followed by massive blowout will probably work pretty well. People are going to forget this period once the Switch is actually fully revealed and we discuss its features and games.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
It's obviously fair to criticize Nintendo about the mandated silence, but consider what happened this past year. We heard absolutely nothing about Switch or any games, and then the reveal trailer wound up blowing minds rather than being the let down we were all worried it would be (for me, and most I think, anyway).

It definitely sucks for fans to not know what's going on, but their plan of silence followed by massive blowout will probably work pretty well. People are going to forget this period once the Switch is actually fully revealed and we discuss its features and games.
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Then hopefully Nintendo will hit it out of the park with the January event and will continue in the same way during 2017. And not 2 steps forwards and 1 back like now.
 
VGdrumCovers said:
I just don't think they'd need the remaster treatment as much as other games because of the genre? I'm not playing FE titles for the visual appeal, I'm in it for the story. That's my own opinion though, of course. If Nintendo could give it a special Ninty remaster and throw in some extra content, I'd be well up for it.
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Sure, no disagreement there.
 
jwj442 said:
Gonna make a guess: there is a good chance of an HD remaster collection of Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. Reasons:
  • FE is much more popular now than when those games were released, plus it does better on portables than consoles. So they will likely sell better this time.
  • It helps bring the 3DS JRPG crowd on board.
  • They're expensive and difficult to get a hold of, like $80+. They're the only English FEs not easily available.
  • Nintendo will want a companion release to the FE mobile game next year. There probably isn't enough time to release a brand-new FE game, and definitely not stateside.
  • Radiant Dawn is not on the Wii U eShop, while minor and probably lower-selling Wii games like Pandora's Tower are. Is it possible this is just an oversight because Nintendo's virtual console policy doesn't always make sense? Sure, but it's also possible they're holding it back because they have plans for it.
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I think it's more than possible that they left it out of VC is because it's a direct sequel to a GC game. You pretty much need path of radiance to fully appreciate RD.

I hope FE gets back to that style in the future. I like awakening, but it has nothing on previous FEs.
 
Dark Cloud said:
What do you mean?
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Oregano-ing intensifies

MHXX announced for 3DS for now --> no talk about Switch before January --> Capcom saying they want to expand the franchise in the West, due to handhelds providing limited potential there --> MH5 for PS4 confirmed, nothing left for Switch.

Again, Oregano-ing intensifies.

I'm getting sick of this jumping to conclusions. I'm starting to feeling angry about this nonsensical dooming
 
kuroneko0509 said:
mhxx isn't announced for switch (yet) = Capcom is abandoning Nintendo = monhun back to sony exclusive = jumping to conclusion
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lol Nintendo pays for the MH games to be on there console, there is no way they are gonna stop doing that when they have a new console coming out

I bet MHXX is gonna be announced for Switch along with MH5 in Jan
 
jmizzal said:
lol Nintendo pays for the MH games to be on there console, there is no way they are gonna stop doing that when they have a new console coming out

I bet MHXX is gonna be announced for Switch along with MH5 in Jan
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Yeah, doesn't Nintendo typically do the localization/marketing for the west? I guess we don't know the details of their contract but it would be very odd if they skipped the Switch.
 
jmizzal said:
lol Nintendo pays for the MH games to be on there console, there is no way they are gonna stop doing that when they have a new console coming out

I bet MHXX is gonna be announced for Switch along with MH5 in Jan
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That's also my guess. Nintendo did something similar when they announced both MH3U and MH4 for 3DS.
 
I don't see the problem unless you're some console fanboy.

The next Monster Hunter will come to the Switch no matter what. If anything, it will also come to the PS4 since it has a big install base in the west. The PS4 sells like crap in Japan. Switch will sell very well in Japan and carry the Monster Hunter torch there.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I don't see the problem unless you're some console fanboy.

The next Monster Hunter will come to the Switch no matter what. If anything, it will also come to the PS4 since it has a big install base in the west. The PS4 sells like crap in Japan. Switch will sell very well in Japan and carry the Monster Hunter torch there.
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Not having a MH exclusive might hurt those sales in Japan, though. Or having an exclusive MH would surely help the sales.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
Yeah, doesn't Nintendo typically do the localization/marketing for the west? I guess we don't know the details of their contract but it would be very odd if they skipped the Switch.
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Nintendo doesn't do the localization (maybe they throw in some moniez, though?) but they do throw in a huuuge amount of co-marketing and handle the distribution in the West, treating it like a first-party title effectively.

Dark Cloud said:
I don't see the problem unless you're some console fanboy.

The next Monster Hunter will come to the Switch no matter what. If anything, it will also come to the PS4 since it has a big install base in the west. The PS4 sells like crap in Japan. Switch will sell very well in Japan and carry the Monster Hunter torch there.
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PS4 is not selling "like crap" in Japan lol.
 
Dark Cloud said:
I don't see the problem unless you're some console fanboy.

The next Monster Hunter will come to the Switch no matter what. If anything, it will also come to the PS4 since it has a big install base in the west. The PS4 sells like crap in Japan. Switch will sell very well in Japan and carry the Monster Hunter torch there.
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Yea it might still come to PS4, but even look at the new DQ, Nintendo paid to get DQX and other DQ games and due to them doing that SE even let it slip that the new one was coming to NX before it was even revealed. That good will goes a long way, Nintendo help keeping those franchises going.
 
jwj442 said:
Gonna make a guess: there is a good chance of an HD remaster collection of Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. Reasons:
  • FE is much more popular now than when those games were released, plus it does better on portables than consoles. So they will likely sell better this time.
  • It helps bring the 3DS JRPG crowd on board.
  • They're expensive and difficult to get a hold of, like $80+. They're the only English FEs not easily available.
  • Nintendo will want a companion release to the FE mobile game next year. There probably isn't enough time to release a brand-new FE game, and definitely not stateside.
  • Radiant Dawn is not on the Wii U eShop, while minor and probably lower-selling Wii games like Pandora's Tower are. Is it possible this is just an oversight because Nintendo's virtual console policy doesn't always make sense? Sure, but it's also possible they're holding it back because they have plans for it.
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Are those good FE games? Never played them, but they look cool. How were they received by fans?
 
Peltz said:
Are those good FE games? Never played them, but they look cool. How were they received by fans?
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Personally, I like all of the FE games, but Path of Radiance holds a special place and is still in my top 3 of the Fire Emblems I've played that have come out in the West. I mainly love the plot and characters in PoR as I feel that the story was the best in the series next to first released FE in the west, Fire Emblem (GBA). The graphics are bit aged, but I think the game holds up. The game also will feel a bit slow since FE has gotten snappier in its presentation and combat with the 3DS games. FE:PoR is well received by fans of the series definitely.

Radiant Dawn was also well-received and is a direct sequel to Path of Radiance, but I feel more down about it than others. RD took out support conversations in the tradition sense with two characters just having banter on the battlefield that just feels like "Hey, good luck!" or "We'll prevail!" type phrases that sound like typical motivational talk. I feel mixed about the new characters and I still think the games was too big for its own good with too many characters. The game just starts dragging for me and the plot was definitely weaker than PoR. The situations definitely provided more of a challenge than some of the previous and current FE games, but the difficulty spikes felt really annoying to me at points, even with my having relative ease with the game in general. Overall, I'd say it's on the weaker half of the FE games I've played, but is still worth playing or giving a chance.

The only downside to these games is that they are the most expensive to get a hold of since Radiant Dawn isn't a Wii VC on Wii U like how the GBA FEs are on Wii U and Path of Radiance is only available via GameCube. I was lucky to get a copy without a case granted for like $5 at a Vintage Stock a few years ago with my brother.
 
jwj442 said:
Gonna make a guess: there is a good chance of an HD remaster collection of Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. Reasons:
  • FE is much more popular now than when those games were released, plus it does better on portables than consoles. So they will likely sell better this time.
  • It helps bring the 3DS JRPG crowd on board.
  • They're expensive and difficult to get a hold of, like $80+. They're the only English FEs not easily available.
  • Nintendo will want a companion release to the FE mobile game next year. There probably isn't enough time to release a brand-new FE game, and definitely not stateside.
  • Radiant Dawn is not on the Wii U eShop, while minor and probably lower-selling Wii games like Pandora's Tower are. Is it possible this is just an oversight because Nintendo's virtual console policy doesn't always make sense? Sure, but it's also possible they're holding it back because they have plans for it.
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there are tons of 3D games (and even 2D games tbh) that Nintendo can give the remaster treatment to and make a boat load of ez money. here's hoping with the Switch they really push remasters.
 
Path of Radiance is one of the best all-around games in the series, with great characters and maybe the best story and writing. The only real drawbacks are that its 3D graphics are ugly with really stiff animations (and were bad on day one) and the US version is too easy with the hardest difficulty removed.

Radiant Dawn is huge, epic, and ambitious - maybe a little too ambitious for its own good. Lots of creative map design, many would say the best in the series. Also has three-tier promotions and lots of character development options. Gameplay-wise it's quite good, though the difficulty is uneven and goes all over the place. The story is a mix of good and bad - sometimes it bites off more than it chew and there's especially one major plot point that's viewed as kind of silly, but it ties nicely into the first game and I admire its ambition and sheer scale. It does lack real supports unfortunately - everyone supports everyone with short generic dialog. Graphics aren't great but moderately improved. The hardest mode (which does a few silly things) is in the western version this time, though there are some small gameplay things and even bits of dialog removed from JP.

It is a good point that a remaster would need more graphical fixes than usual and PoR would look hideous if upscaled to HD with no other changes. But honestly, the baseline is low enough that better character models and animations probably wouldn't be THAT much work - you could get a big improvement without having to shoot for near AAA quality. Personally, I think getting the earlier games localized barring a full remake is less likely. Nintendo doesn't generally translate retro games, and even if Mother 3 eventually happens it will be a rare exception. Remaster or VC, I would hope they would restore what was missing from the original western releases.
 
Anth0ny said:
there are tons of 3D games (and even 2D games tbh) that Nintendo can give the remaster treatment to and make a boat load of ez money. here's hoping with the Switch they really push remasters.
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I still want a re-release of Retro's DKC games. Put DKCR in HD, get rid of the waggle controls and make it control like Tropical Freeze, and throw in the extra content that was in the 3DS port. Bundle it with Tropical Freeze.

As a nice bonus, bring in David Wise to re-do the game's soundtrack (kinda like what they did for DKC3 GBA). Have the original soundtrack as an option as well.
 
KingSnake said:
If Capcom would have been allowed to talk about Switch games, the discussion would have been now much more focused on how cool it is that we get more MH console games on Switch already. Like for example following the recent Direct, Instead, the discussion is rather focused on PS4 MH now. Which we don't know if it exists or not. Maybe it exists. Or maybe it was just a generalization because they can't talk about Switch.

But Nintendo can't do anything wrong. So I guess it's somehow Capcom's fault that they need to actually give some perspective for future to their own investors.

Edit: want another example? EA talking about the glorious future of Xbone and PS4 and Switch not existing at all in their investor conference. Yeah, I know, who cares about EA?
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Yeah, it could definitely viewed in an negative light. I don't blame anyone for that view. But Nintendo somehow managed to keep Switch leaks from happening for the most part.

So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that when the Jan conference happens, Big third parties will be on board and show what they have planned at that time. I'm hoping the conference is good barometer for how Switch is going to fair in the market.
 
AntMurda said:
GameCube and Wii virtual console instead? If the Switch can handle the emulation.
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I've read a bit of people using the Android Dolphin with the Shield with decent results, so more advanced Switch hardware plus Nintendo having special expertise with GCN/Wii could probably net some pretty decent results.
 
I'm sure Capcom will give the Switch a decent try, they were one of the earlier japanese devs to supprt the 3DS even when it was struggling

JoshuaJSlone said:
I've read a bit of people using the Android Dolphin with the Shield with decent results, so more advanced Switch hardware plus Nintendo having special expertise with GCN/Wii could probably net some pretty decent results.
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Yeah, we'll see. It boils down to how much work the CPU can do. What's the current talk about how the CPU could stack up to Jaguar?
 
I'm more hyped for this than I have been for the past 3 E3 showings by Nintendo. We know we'll be getting a ton of new game announcements from all of Nintendo's big first party studios which means we'll probably even get to see what Retro has been working on the past 4 years. HYPE
 
perfectchaos007 said:
I'm more hyped for this than I have been for the past 3 E3 showings by Nintendo. We know we'll be getting a ton of new game announcements from all of Nintendo's big first party studios which means we'll probably even get to see what Retro has been working on the past 4 years. HYPE
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I hope for a ton also, but as has been reasonably pointed out to me ITT, there may not be a ton within just this conference. I hope there will be, though. It depends on what a ton means to you, and then how long they spend showing each game and the system's feature itself.
 
maxcriden said:
I hope for a ton also, but as has been reasonably pointed out to me ITT, there may not be a ton within just this conference. I hope there will be, though. It depends on what a ton means to you, and then how long they spend showing each game and the system's feature itself.
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Well given the system will launch 2 months after the Presentation, we should be getting at the very least a showcase of all launch titles. I imagine there would at least be 10 at launch. And then maybe a look at a few more under development for release in the latter portion of 2017. Thats a "ton" to me.
 
Skittzo0413 said:
This thread has some good CPU speculation:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222599059&postcount=2380
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Hm. If he's correct then maybe Wii U VC isn't that out of the question given that single core performance is the most important aspect of how capable your hardware is at emulating. Having 6, 8 or 12 cores doesn't matter if they're not up to the task individually. How exciting :D. Wii VC should be a lock for sure, given Nintendo knows the hardware best. Imagine playing Gamecube/Wii games at native 720p in portable mode, that'd be pretty sweet. Man I hope there's a big homebrew scene as well.
 
Easy_D said:
Hm. If he's correct then maybe Wii U VC isn't that out of the question given that single core performance is the most important aspect of how capable your hardware is at emulating. Having 6, 8 or 12 cores doesn't matter if they're not up to the task individually.
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I don't think anyone should expect Wii U emulation especially if they're going through the trouble of porting/enhancing some of the bigger games like MK8 and Splatoon.
Wii and GCN VC? I think that's likely, at last GCN. 720p emulation would be pretty amazing on the portable switch screen. Heck, native 480p would likely look pretty slick on that too.
 
Oh man, I would be all over an FE 9+10 remaster/remake. Bundle them together and call it the Tellius saga or something, give FE10 characters actual support convos, fix the weird difficulty, make turns faster (please), add some extra stuff if possible...

This reminded me how much I love RDs music too. What a good main theme.

But I agree they should release previous FEs before that. Id die of happiness if they did do this though.
 
jwj442 said:
Gonna make a guess: there is a good chance of an HD remaster collection of Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn. Reasons:
  • FE is much more popular now than when those games were released, plus it does better on portables than consoles. So they will likely sell better this time.
  • It helps bring the 3DS JRPG crowd on board.
  • They're expensive and difficult to get a hold of, like $80+. They're the only English FEs not easily available.
  • Nintendo will want a companion release to the FE mobile game next year. There probably isn't enough time to release a brand-new FE game, and definitely not stateside.
  • Radiant Dawn is not on the Wii U eShop, while minor and probably lower-selling Wii games like Pandora's Tower are. Is it possible this is just an oversight because Nintendo's virtual console policy doesn't always make sense? Sure, but it's also possible they're holding it back because they have plans for it.
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The only chance of a straight port of FE9 and 10 are virtual console style releases in the future, rather than any kind of "remaster" sold at retail. I don't see them giving much market presence and attention to games that would still end up with dated presentation and accessibility features compared to the 3ds titles.

There's always the chance that they eventually remake them though. Maybe it's just due to Smash Bros, but Ike always seems to be promoted by IS quite a bit more than what would one expect coming from the sales of those games. In that case though, I'd expect them to be basically remade from ground up on a new engine - sharing the same main story and maps, but with very different presentation and maybe new additions around the main story.

As far as a quick Fire Emblem game goes, it could happen if they basically released a sequel mostly reusing existing assets. In that case I'd expect a new game though, rather than any kind of remake - look at the quick turn around back during FE 6-7-8. That happened because 7 and 8, in addition to the engine itself, reused most of the content from FE6 - like how returning classes didn't get modified sprites or animations unlike Fates, which although made on a modified version of Awakening's engine, uses completely revamped models and animations compared to Awakening. I don't think they'll take this direction though. The fact that they didn't do it with Fates (which easily could have made Nohr's classes just reuse Awakening's designs and models) shows that they might see it as one of the causes of the decreasing sales back then, and the time and resources saved by that might not be seen worth hurting the brand.
 
perfectchaos007 said:
Well given the system will launch 2 months after the Presentation, we should be getting at the very least a showcase of all launch titles. I imagine there would at least be 10 at launch. And then maybe a look at a few more under development for release in the latter portion of 2017. Thats a "ton" to me.
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Gotcha. I imagine you mean 10 titles not all of which are from Nintendo, at launch, then, right? Since it would be unprecedented to have more than, say, 5 titles at launch from Nintendo. I think those are very reasonable expectations. I think some people believe "a ton" would constitute maybe 10+ new Nintendo games at and beyond launch, which would be amazing. As I said though I guess it just depends on each person's expectations of what a ton (or even enough) titles is. I agree with you we will see the full launch line-up including however many titles are from Nintendo, and I'd say probably we're looking at 12-15 titles at launch given previous launches. So I figure we will see those, and it will remain to be seen how many Nintendo titles they show beyond the first party launch types -- I hope for many, and the more they show potentially the bigger the splash. Just don't want to be disappointed if they don't have a massive blowout. Here's hoping, though :)

James Scott said:
Wii and GCN VC? I think that's likely, at last GCN. 720p emulation would be pretty amazing on the portable switch screen. Heck, native 480p would likely look pretty slick on that too.
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Fond memories of playing on that little screen that could attach to the GCN (but I would just play it in my bedroom, not attached to the systems, with PS2/GCN). Games looked really good on that.
 
A lot of people expected a ton of games from the disappointing 2012 conference too. There are reasons to think this will probably be different (they're used to HD, they're not diverting major resources to 3DS this time), just a reminder to temper the hype a bit. But I think Nintendo knows their back is against the wall and the Switch can't afford to fail.

Actually, even with a bad presentation the Wii U would still have had a decent start if the early games came out when planned and a decent OS and VC were there at the start but, well, you know. :(
 
I personally don't see a Remaster of Fire Emblem 9&10 doing too well.

Unless they had user friendly options and speed up the game play. it also doesn't have marriages, Avatars, casual modes, grinding, and 10 is harder then all of Awakening and Birthright (except maybe Lunatic).

But at least they both have a better narrative structure. Even if the plot becomes convoluted at times, its easier to be engaged to it.

Just game me a Virtual Console release.
 
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