United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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Didn't see anything in the OP, but is there a place to stream US coverage for us outside the States? Like, CNN's youtube page or something similar?
 
Vibranium said:
Dude, I am a very progressive NDP/Liberal oriented guy from Canada too, and while I agree that Hillary Clinton is not the greatest candidate that the country could ever have (her Israel stance is depressing, as I have a friend who has visited Palestine many times), she'll still make a fine US president and is the most qualified (and is supportive of equality and women's rights). The email thing reminds me of Trudeau's alleged "assault in Parliment" a while back: overblown/ .
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The emails are a joke, it's not what bothers me, the fondation does. And more important than that, I dont like what I saw from her in the last decades about foreign policies (ie Iraq, Iran etc..) IMO she's dangerous, but we'll see.
 
Malakhov said:
The emails are a joke, it's not what bothers me. The fondation does, and more important than that. I dont like what I saw from her in the last decades about foreign policies (ie Iraq, Iran etc..) IMO she's dangerous, but we'll see.
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Fair enough, I don't see her screwing around with the Clinton Foundation stuff once she's elected though. Once a media spotlight is shone on things like that, a good politician never revisits them.
 
It's always the ones living in other countries that make by far the least informed and most laughable generalizations about the U.S. Election.
 
Vibranium said:
Fair enough, I don't see her screwing around with the Clinton Foundation stuff once she's elected though. Once a media spotlight is shone on things like that, a good politician never revisits them.
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Of course she wont touch the Clinton Fondation ever again, at least if she's remotely intelligent. But someone like her, who's ready to do whatever it takes to get power and/or money, is not someone who can be a president. I dont understand how the dems could not find a better person for it, it's like they took the worst out of the bunch, just like the reps.
 
EatinOlives said:
It's always the ones living in other countries that make by far the least informed and most laughable generalizations about the U.S. Election.
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There's a few in the US too. I can think of one that believes the President rules by fiat, that one-term Senators can change the law, that the national debt can be defaulted on without impact, that the first amendment doesn't count, or the fourteenth. or the nineteenth, or indeed any but the second. He thinks he is winning too.
 
Malakhov said:
Of course she wont touch the Clinton Fondation ever again, at least if she's remotely intelligent. But someone like her, who's ready to do whatever it takes to get power and/or money, is not someone who can be a president. I dont understand how the dems could not find a better person for it, it's like they took the worst out of the bunch, just like the reps.
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Sorry but : you keep rambling about the foundation, what are your issues (and the evidences to suport it) that would lead you to believe that she is a "criminal"? Aren't you stretching things a bit because you "believe" this is not used 100% for charity or something?
 
Malakhov said:
The emails are a joke, it's not what bothers me, the fondation does. And more important than that, I dont like what I saw from her in the last decades about foreign policies (ie Iraq, Iran etc..) IMO she's dangerous, but we'll see.
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You're worried about her foreign policy when the only other choice wants to ban Muslims and would likely nuke the Middle East as a solution to stopping ISIS?

lol
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
Going to bed. Voting at 7am. Therapy at 11pm and then watching the polls all day.

Please God don't let him win.
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Micerider said:
Sorry but : you keep rambling about the foundation, what are your issues (and the evidences to suport it) that would lead you to believe that she is a "criminal"? Aren't you stretching things a bit because you "believe" this is not used 100% for charity or something?
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I have a problem with the fact that she accepted money from foreign countries and had the power as secretary of state to give them benefits for it. Can you tell me with a straight face that you believe the foundation is all clean and that Bill Clinton didnt give any speeches for such benefits and/or money?

We've been victims of this fraud system here in Canada for decades and the losers in the story is us, always us. But you guys arent at the point where you give 50% of your income in taxes, though. I sure wish you dont get to that point.
 
Malakhov said:
I have a problem with the fact that she accepted money from foreign countries and had the power as secretary of state to give them benefits for it. Can you tell me with a straight face that you believe the foundation is all clean and that Bill Clinton didnt give any speeches for such benefits and/or money?

We've been victims of this fraud system here in Canada for decades and the losers in the story is us, always us. But you guys arent at the point where you give 50% of your income in taxes, though. I sure wish you dont get to that point.
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Well, that's generally how it works when you earn the living by giving speeches, you receive money for your services.
 
Malakhov said:
I have a problem with the fact that she accepted money from foreign countries and had the power as secretary of state to give them benefits for it. Can you tell me with a straight face that you believe the foundation is all clean and that Bill Clinton didnt give any speeches for such benefits and/or money?

We've been victims of this fraud system here in Canada for decades and the losers in the story is us, always us. But you guys arent at the point where you give 50% of your income in taxes, though. I sure wish you dont get to that point.
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She never accepted money. Her foundation did. She didn't see a penny that Qatar gave. It all went to operational and charitable costs.

There's a huge difference between her taking money from Qatar and a chairity doing so.
 
Malakhov said:
But not when donors likely gave money in a bid to influence foreign policy while your wife was secretary of state, though.
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Well then wouldn't the onus be on the accuser to prove said money/decisions DID influence foreign policy? Which I guess would be practically impossible to prove, but regardless I assume its more the "practice" that people have issues with and want politicians to be more isolated from those situations, which is understandable.
 
Ok sorry not sorry but I've got to say it. I'm extremely annoyed with all this concern trolling I see in this tread from posters not from the US.

You people do realize you are posting on an extremely left leaning message board right? Telling us to "do the right thing" is very condescending and insulting. Almost all of us are "doing the right thing".

Take a look at an electoral college map or something. Educate yourselves and quit coming in here sounding dumb.

Also you people can fuck off with this best of two bad choices bullshit. Hillary is hands down the most qualified candidate to ever run for president.
 
Malakhov said:
But not when donors likely gave money in a bid to influence foreign policy while your wife was secretary of state, though.
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So she's guilty of being married. Or Bill's guilty for it. No husband or wife should work while their SO is working in public office.
 
BossDarkseid said:
Well then wouldn't the onus be on the accuser to prove said money/decisions DID influence foreign policy? Which I guess would be practically impossible to prove, but regardless I assume its more the "practice" that people have issues with and want politicians to be more isolated from those situations, which is understandable.
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It's all insinuation, insinuation, insinuation here. Sure, I'd like it if politicians were completely shielded from all other influence, but fact is, they're human. We're always gonna build relationships, and there's always gonna be a hint of 'x only got this opportunity cus they did y for z'.

Any interaction can be twisted to look shady. Especially with rich people/organisations, because they're managing money and power far beyond what the average person thinks is regular. If you see this kind of stuff as corruption I'm pretty sure none of this is particularly convincing, but there's a bigger picture here. And the world isn't as black and white as 'this much of a favour buys this much influence'.
 
Rivyn said:
So. What is the expectation? We all know that Clinton is probably going to win, but what type of shitstorm will ensue if Trump wins?
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Violence.

Not riots but definitely violence against minorities with rise for a bit.

We'll definitely hear a lot more stories about people caught planning domestic terrorism.

But as for an actual second civil war? We'll read about a few small incidents wherein the culprits think it's doomsday.

Trump will fucking try to sue Hillary. He'll try to sue the DNC. He won't shut up until well after the Inauguration. He'll try to sue everyone that ever said anything bad about him during the election.

I mean, this goes for if Trump wins OR loses.

But the ONE THING Trump WILL NOT be able to do if he wins is talk about how shitty America is. He'll have lost that card. Oh, he'll espouse on it until Obama leaves on 1/20/2017, but he won't be able to incite violence like he has when he was campaigning.

And if he WERE to turn America into a second Nazi Germany and not just a dump, that wouldn't be able to happen overnight.
 
Malakhov said:
I have a problem with the fact that she accepted money from foreign countries and had the power as secretary of state to give them benefits for it. Can you tell me with a straight face that you believe the fondation is all clean and that Bill Clinton didnt give any speeches for such benefits and/or money?

We've been victims of this fraud system here in Canada for decades and the losers in the story is us, always us. But you guys arent at the point where you give 50% of your incomes in taxes, though. I sure wish you dont get to that point.
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Ahah, I'm from Belgium, giving "only" 50% of my revenues in Tax would actually be an improvement.

I understand why you have doubts about the legitimacy of the foundation and "doubting" is sane if still rational...but it is not something that would make sense if she took no direct benefits from it now would it?

The foundation has been well rated by external controls and sees most of it's funding go to actual charitable actions. What's the catch if it's for "personal enrichment"?

Did they use their relations to attract funding? Probably, they would be stupid not to, but this is not a crime.

Did they use the funding of the foundation as a "bargaining chip" to give favors to "political donors"? There are zero evidence of it to my knowledge...If there is, then yes, this is a crime. But why pushing on that without anything to support it?

Now, if there is an investigation that would provide solid evidence of influence-peddling, of course I would change my mind about it...but why consider "by default" that there is a crime without even any actual hint of it? That sounds like a biased approach already.
 
Rivyn said:
So. What is the expectation? We all know that Clinton is probably going to win, but what type of shitstorm will ensue if Trump wins?
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Hellfire and no more Taco Tuesday's.


Can't wait to see the outcome off from all this, hopefully everybody is mature after it's over. The last thing this country needs is for shit to break out in chaos over someone losing.
 
Gonna be at work all day but before I go, go out and vote guys. You, yeah you right there, drop that Xbox controller and the microwave burrito and get out there and vote!
 
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