United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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My polling place was pretty quick. The line was out the door but it moved quickly and they had a ton of volunteer workers and polling machines. I was in and out in 20min. They also hooked us up with free cookies, brownies and coffee. Chalk up another +1 for Hillary here in Ohio.

I did overhear this gem from a Trump supporter behind me in line:

"If you want to talk about experience, there's only one person who has the experience to write the checks and that's Trump!"

What the hell does that even mean?!
 
If you told me a few years ago that my first vote ever in a presidential election would be for Hillary Clinton, I would have been in complete disbelief. Yet here we are. I've owned up to my mistakes on the past on GAF and I'm glad that I got my shit together long before it became time to make the right decision. I will say it again: I was flat out wrong about Hillary, influenced by the viewpoints of both Conservative and Liberal (Bernie) friends to see her as the terribly false portrayal that has been pushed since the 90's. Without GAF, I may have held the same viewpoint today and thrown away my vote.

While CT will go Blue regardless, local elections are a whole other level. My town is very conservative to the point where I saw a huge Trump sign along with a House candidate outside the polling place. There was a surprising voter ID requirement that didn't hurt me at all but could harm many others.

Even if Hillary wins in a landslide, that is not where the true battle is. Even if the Senate is turned Blue, things aren't over by a long shot. It begins on the smallest of levels. If you are considering not voting, reconsider. Too much is at stake.

This post is honestly choking me up. Thank you for sharing this!
 
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Whoa, that's neat. One of our attorneys is located in VB, I'm going to see if she did it there.

I'll be visiting a school on my way home from work today. Very anxious. I live in a very red area of VA (just outside Richmond), and it wouldn't surprise me if there are some nutters around.

I used to live in Midlothian. I hated that my rep was Eric Cantor.
 
Ranking these candidates, I just don't know how I can choose the lesser of two evils in this race. They are all so terrible.

  • Stein - A Russian stooge, who has little knowledge of how the Government works, obsessed with conspiracy theory, and not currently living in this reality.
  • Johnson - he's not explicitly bad, but he is ignorant in many areas.
  • Trump - A Russian stooge, who has little knowledge of how the Government works, obsessed with conspiracy theory, and not currently living in this reality.
  • Clinton - Sent and received emails.

How will I decide?

She also voted for the Iraq war and is up the ass of wall street. Two things that helped push Obama past her in 08. She supports trade deals and takes money, I mean donations, from shitty corporations and countries.

I voted for her, but she is a lesser of two evils.
 
Hard to believe we're only 8 years removed from Bush. Feels like a lifetime ago.

The Bush years were the end of reasonable Republicans. I know a lot of people on GAF feel differently but after Obama came we had the creation of the Tea Party and the Republican party just went downward from there.

Romney lost and the Republicans had this come to Jesus moment about trying for the Latino vote. You can see how well that went.
 
Vote by mail does sound like the best system. I did early voting and there was no wait but I still tried to get the hell out of there as quick as possible, didnt even bother to read the ticket. Would much rather get the thing by mail early and do it in my own home on my own time and it would give me the ability to research what is on there (if I cared too).
 
Is anyone concerned about Hillary foreign policy? It's gold compared to trumps. But she wants things like a no fly zone over Syria, and was ways a big supporter of the war in Iraq, honestly that's the biggest thing worrying me, I don't want war.
 
That's what the Republicans want. They purposefully have made it hard for the populace to vote.

I don't know how to take this post.

Unrelated, I waited about 45 minutes this morning. Got there at ~5:45 AM. Voted then went for breakfast with the wife before we headed off to work. Not a bad morning!
 
But...

You are viable. Trump fundamentally disagreed eith decades of Republican policy on trade. Bernie got far with a platform that differed significantly from the Usual Democrat platform -- AND ended up changing said platform multiple ways.

I agree. In my opinion both of those had to conform to one of the parties when they fundamentally disagreed with so much about it. In a more open system, we could have had someone like Bernie still running even if Hilary was. Right now only one can.
 
Any of you states still doing polling stations need to get vote-by-mail.. the best way to vote is having it mailed to you and doing it in the privacy of your own home.

I voted weeks ago for fuck's sake.

Not great advice for every state, some states don't count absentee/mail-in ballots until well after the election happens and just assume the proportions will match polling stations. Essentially your vote really doesn't matter unless a special recount is ordered.

It varies heavily state by state though, for example I think Oregon and Washington have no polling places and instead all voting is done by mail, but I am not 100% sure about that.

Don't forget voting specials at food / etc places, most cities will have stuff. A donut place in town is giving free donuts if you vote, most bars are having drink specials, Gameworks in Vegas lets you b1g1 $20 game card today only, and even strip clubs are getting into the act with free drink specials for the patriots who vote.
 
She also voted for the Iraq war and is up the ass of wall street. Two things that helped push Obama past her in 08. She supports trade deals and takes money, I mean donations, from shitty corporations and countries.

I voted for her, but she is a lesser of two evils.


She supports trade deals??

Oh no! What shall we do with all this trading with other countries? Gross!
 
Bring a burrito.

But seriously more people should vote early. And states that don't offer early voting should be forced to. It's unfair to have such a huge decision that can only be made on one day between certain hours. Especially unfair those with lower income jobs who can't easily get time off or don't get long lunch breaks where they could go vote.

No early voting is such bullshit. I'm in NY and in a suburban area so I didn't have a line and my vote doesn't 'matter' a whole lot, but the fact that I had to take time out of a specific work day to vote is dumb. There should be at least 2 weeks before election day where we can vote. The mail in ballot system of Oregon (or Washington?) is the best model and I wish we just did that nationally. You'd have such higher turn out and so many less problems.
 
The Bush years were the end of reasonable Republicans. I know a lot of people on GAF feel differently but after Obama came we had the creation of the Tea Party and the Republican party just went downward from there.

Romney lost and the Republicans had this come to Jesus moment about trying for the Latino vote. You can see how well that went.

Yup. When the Tear Party came out and went batshit crazy is when I went democrat myself. Haven't looked back.
 
Well as the dust settles it's pretty depressing to do the math and realize my immediate family contributed a -5 to the sanity vote. In a swing state.

Tonight, I'll probably drink a bit.
 
Wasn't planning on voting for president since I'm in NY/long Island and that pretty much gives the state to Clinton but I still voted for her as a basic fuck you to trump.

I also heard some idiot talking about how it's a "rigged system" and that he didn't want to go somewhere else to vote because a Democrat is probably over there too.

Thankfully this will be over soon.
 
Voted in Ohio. It was almost noon, and there weren't a lot of people at my polling place. I was in and out in 5 minutes. For comparison, during primaries and last year's election there was almost nobody. My hassle-free time in there was tremendous, believe me.
 
Voted. Took about 5 minutes. I'd heard that a huge percent of the florida population voted early, so that looks to have benefited me.
 
She supports trade deals??

Oh no! What shall we do with all this trading with other countries? Gross!

It truly is an awful thing to be able to purchase goods and services from other nations and they purchase ours without tariffs.

My God, what insanity!
 
Ranking these candidates, I just don't know how I can choose the lesser of two evils in this race. They are all so terrible.

  • Stein - A Russian stooge, who has little knowledge of how the Government works, obsessed with conspiracy theory, and not currently living in this reality.
  • Johnson - he's not explicitly bad, but he is ignorant in many areas.
  • Trump - A Russian stooge, who has little knowledge of how the Government works, obsessed with conspiracy theory, and not currently living in this reality.
  • Clinton - Sent and received emails.

How will I decide?

You're really soft-pedaling Clinton's faults.

Don't forget she also "seems insincere"
 
Obama as a human being represented me. His calmness, his intelligence, his values represented me. They were easy to see through all the politics. Then he gets in office and you see that even as great as a person he is, the office of President is not enough to instill great values into all the people of this country. I truly believe the party system has become a problem, it's too simple for the complex problems that face this country.

The problem with Obama was that he was black, and the republicans wanted to make sure you Americans never voted in a colored president ever again
 
Looking forward to voting at lunch. No chance the state I'm in (Kanasas) goes with anyone besides Trump, but hopefully we can at least retain our state supreme court justices that the Republicans want so badly to get rid of (because they dare to demand state schools be properly funded).
 
Is anyone concerned about Hillary foreign policy? It's gold compared to trumps. But she wants things like a no fly zone over Syria, and was ways a big supporter of the war in Iraq, honestly that's the biggest thing worrying me, I don't want war.

Clinton alone will not bring us to war. And if anything, Clinton has shown great aptitude in adapting her positions over time. She's not a stubborn fool that will force war even if everyone is against it.

People often cite that as a negative for her, because flip flopping can seem bad if she holds no convictions at all. But I like the fact she changes her mind. The opposite candidate represents the stubborn approach of not giving a shit about what anyone else says
 
I don't know how to take this post.

Unrelated, I waited about 45 minutes this morning. Got there at ~5:45 AM. Voted then went for breakfast with the wife before we headed off to work. Not a bad morning!

It's blatant fact. Republicans have been very openly against ease of access with voting. They have closed down many voting areas, require ridiculous hoops of proof of residency (I for example had to go back and forth 3 times last year despite having proof qualifications each time. polling place is also run by racist old white ladies so....yea.....don't trust my local polling place at all), made it sometimes outright impossible for minorities to obtain ID proof in the first place (having a DMV open literally once a month during work day hours, are you serious right now? on top of that it's the nearest DMV for yuge sections of the minority populace and it's about 4 hours away), limit early-voting options, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Republicans are one of the biggest reasons to blame for long voting lines.
 
Which county are you in? I grew up in Fairfield County and only left a few years ago but there was nothing like this in place there when I left.
Yep, from Fairfield County though to be fair my home town is also part of the Valley, which leans toward the right.
 
She supports trade deals??

Oh no! What shall we do with all this trading with other countries? Gross!

To be fair, there is a difference between supporting free trade or trade deals negotiated away from the public eye and not supporting trade with other countries.
 
My apologies if this has already been asked, but are any of the major networks streaming election results through youtube tonight?
 
Unfortunately I feel this is a liberal thing more than conservative and why liberals cannot win down ticket. Because if Clinton isn't representing you on a personal level (even if policy does), how is any senator or literally anyone else that doesn't have half the exposure going to? Obama endorsed the hell out of Clinton. If you liked Obama I don't understand why she doesn't get your vote

So instead you vote against the system entirely, all but ensuring a trump victory in your area even. You think your state is a lock for trump, and it definitely always will be if younger people do protest votes while older people that have been around the block to know that doesn't do shit continue the steady republican vote

I did vote against the system. That felt like the right thing for me. The system does not work the best right now. I know Obama has to stand with Hilary, that's politics, that's the system at work.
 
CNN was just talking about internal polling from the Trump campaign that shows Michigan going for Trump.

I know it should be taken with a microscopic grain of salt, but if my state goes Trump, I'm flipping tables.
 
Well as the dust settles it's pretty depressing to do the math and realize my immediate family contributed a -5 to the sanity vote. In a swing state.

Tonight, I'll probably drink a bit.
You should spend the rest of the day trying to find 5 people to vote Hillary and get them to the polls
 
It's blatant fact. Republicans have been very openly against ease of access with voting. They have closed down many areas, require ridiculous hoops of proof of residency (I for example had to go back and forth 3 times last year despite having proof qualifications each time. polling place is also run by racist old white ladies), made it sometimes outright impossible for minorities to obtain ID proof in the first place, limit early-voting options, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Republicans are one of the biggest reasons to blame for long voting lines.

Where do you live where the polls are ran by a specific political party?
 
On Election Day, Trump still signaling he may not accept results

CNN said:
Appearing on AM Tampa Bay on 970 WFLA, Trump was asked if he'll contest the results if they are close.

"Well if I think there's something that was wrong," Trump said. "Did you notice, when I brought this up a few months ago, Obama, and others said, 'oh, this is the foundation of our country' but eight years ago, he was was basically saying that Chicago is rigged. I don't know if you saw that clip. But he talks up, like, 'oh, this is the foundation how dare he question the foundation' and all of this. Oh, give me a break. What' going on in Philadelphia and Chicago and St. Louis and lots of others, for years it's legendary OK, talked about for years. They have a clip of Obama basically saying that Chicago elections are rigged. And I say to myself, 'can you believe that?'
 
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