United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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Yayate said:
I haven't posted on Neogaf much, but I've been lurking for years now. I'm a transwoman and I've been looking at moving to America for the sake of being with my SO. I've already visited him multiple times, for several months, and I have zero connections here that makes it worth staying. I'm autistic and I am on disability for various physical problems, my aforementioned autism, combined with the fact that I'm transitioning. I was planning on moving when I'm stable and everything is okay.

But... uh, I guess not. a fucking orange is devouring the future I've been building up to for the past four years; I've come out to my family, I've finally started therapy, and I'm going to start hormones soon.

This is all making me feel extremely unwell. I had hope at the start, and I believed it when everyone said it could still go either way. But it seems like all paths to victory have just completely evaporated.
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Sorry. Just know many of us still welcome you, even if we aren't in charge ;_:
 
DarkKyo said:
Just think, we could be waking up to a Sanders presidency if the establishment democrats didn't shove this candidate down our throats...
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To be honest, people who hung on to Sanders didn't help. He lost to Hilary and I'm pretty sure most everyone who voted Hillary would have voted for Sanders in the general. But everyone I know who was a big Sanders fan and aged 30 or under didn't vote for Clinton in the general. Most became apathetic and didn't vote at all. Some people wrote in Sanders.
 
Looks like I'll be doing my damnest to stay on this side of the world for a while. Watching all this from a far for once has been horrifying. Lead up to the election and more.
 
/pol/ and r/the_donald must be smug as HELL right now. They meme'd a man into presidency.

I was not expecting this turn of events tonight.
 
Holy shit. This is like a living nightmare. Absolutely insane.

I just can't believe this. There is still a little hope, but I don't know anymore. It's looking unlikely. Republicans with an insane President might also have the Senate along with the House. Wow... just wow.
 
Trump has won. Hope all you protest voters are fucking happy.

Trump:168
Clinton: 131

Ohio and Michigan are going trump.

So, sincerely fuck you.
 
Oh,okay.

I see.

This is how it's gonna be, huh?

Okay, that's fine.

I'm just learning some things about white people tonight.
 
Obliterator said:
Democrats next time around need to aim much much more towards the center of America and not the far left. Also they need to try to keep insulting the other side at a low. The Dems frankly turned a lot of the centrists in America against them this cycle.

Doesn't mean Trump winning ok, I mean its shit, but they have to totally rethink their strategy moving forward.
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Yeah I never felt I've belonged in this country in the 28 years I've lived here.

A Trump presidency will just mean that this country doesn't think I'm shit.

If I'm gonna be treated like an outsider, I'd rather it be in a country where I'd actually be one.
 
I agree that the "basket of deplorables" rhetoric is counter-productive, but I'm not sure if it's THE reason that Hilary is losing.
 
My sympathies to any minority that thought they might have a government that would fight for their rights.

My sympathies to any woman that thought they would have the right to their own bodies.


Anyone laughing about this can fuck right off. This isn't funny. This is literally a fucking nightmare for marginalized people everywhere.
 
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genuinely believe Clinton will still scrape it
 
I am a straight white male born into a upper middle class family living in a deep red state (TX). A Trump presidency will not affect me in any major way. Hell it may even benefit me. It WILL affect virtually everyone else in a negative way and it makes me very very sad. The effects of this will reverberate for generations. It disappoints me that after all the gains we made with Obama that its all so close to be washed away. The way this country is viewed worldwide will be tarnished for a long long time. You thought it got bad under the W. Bush presidency? We are in for so so much worse here. We are on the cusp of electing the closest thing we have ever had to a fascist. Historians are going to look at W. Bush followed so closely by this guy as the fall of the American empire.

I would say something like America deserves whatever they get if this is their choice but the people that going to be most hurt by this really really don't.
 
it's not even Trump... it's giving the GOP 4 years (and possibly more) of complete control of every branch of Government and complete control to rule over the SC court for generations to come.

This is a direct blow to the future of America.
 
Nameless said:
Extreme apathy already starting to set in

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Thank you evolution for coping mechanisms
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This year is turning me cynical as fuck. At this point I want for the people who voted for Trump to suffer a lot under his presidency so they can wisen the fuck up. Then I feel terrible for women, LGBTI, and African Americans.
 
Interfectum said:
Yup. All that smug "is this your first election" shit.
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as I said for months, but better encapsulated by Carl Beijer: http://www.carlbeijer.com/2016/09/shunning-is-mostly-performative-and.html

Growing up in an Anabaptist community, I occasionally found myself in the middle of debates over the politics of shunning. For those who are unfamiliar, shunning is an old practice shaming and exclusion based on a few lines written by the Apostle Paul:

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people - not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. (I Corinthians 5:9-11)


In practice, this could have some pretty dramatic consequences. While the basic rules of shunning are fairly narrow - don't eat with the person, don't do business with them, don't accept anything from them, etcetera - and sporadically observed, the ostracization that it legitimizes could effectively shut the target out of social life and turn them into a pariah. Justifying all of this, of course, was an elaborate apparatus of theology that few outside of the Amish church would find compelling.

In addition to theological justifications, however, the community also developed various pragmatic rationales that the modern liberal-left will find familiar. "By shunning [the offender] in all social relations," Hostetler writes, "the community gives him a status that minimizes the threat to other members of the community." The Dordrecht Confession of Faith, a central text of the Radical Reformation, advocates shunning so that the offender "may be made ashamed, be affected in his ways." In other words, shunning was supposed to have two practical consequences: 1) to engineer wokeness in the community, and 2) to shame the offender into rehabilitating.

Both of these rationales emerge time and time again in modern liberal-left advocacy for shaming and ostracization as tools of social engineering and personal discipline. And yet strangely enough, anyone at all familiar with the standard left critiques of shunning should have rejected both long ago.

To take the second point first, there is little reason to believe that shunning actually has any kind of rehabilitative effect on its target, and considerable reason to believe that it can actually amplify the problem. Delaney notes that "the effects on the shunned person can be devastating...[and] akin to psychological torture." Tanaka notes research on shunning that

indicates a severe distortion of the self image, for example, 'I am a type of person that everyone hates'...This long-term effect suggests a huge impact on one's identity...[it] has a strong impingement on emotional development, which as Kahn points out is the essence of cumulative trauma.


Tanaka goes on to add that as a defense mechanism, the target of shunning may "develop a victim's identity...[that] may fix and solidify further their negative identity." This should be an all-to-familiar experience for anyone who has tried to shame an offender, only to watch them double-down and embrace the attack. The point here is not to argue that shunning is simply mean - it's to point out that it's often directly counterproductive in terms of its supposed goal. Instead of rehabilitating the offender, it can just as easily harden the offender and give him a powerful psychological / emotional stake in continuing his behavior. As Massaro observes,
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MastaKilla said:
This isn't too surprising to me honestly. Hilary Clinton is historically one of the most unpopular candidates just like trump is. I think the wikileaks exposing how the democratic party mishandled Bernie really turned off a lot of voters. There is no passion/excitement behind Hilary. Trump has a fucking passionate movement behind him. It's a bullshit one based off bullshit promises and bullshit assertions, but it's passionate and it's real.

This really sucks though. I"m really afraid of what's going to happen to my community living in a country being run by a guy who has openly suggested banning people like me from being here. This is stunning.
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It's the most enthusiatic/passionate voters that carry the candidates has been proven time and time again.

I'm done for tonight. Hopefully I can still look forward to a pension and can continue working at my job the next 4 years, as well as see to mine and my family's medical needs in the future.
 
FZZ said:
I am a Pakistani born person

hahahahahahahaha im so fucking full of hate and fear right now

my parents didn't dip the fuck out of my home country to come to this

its just funny because the people affected by this arent even the ones who are still white and straight but voted for hillary, yall are still safe. Minorities are so fucked. And to everyone who didnt call out a racist friend that supported this hateful disgusting piece of shit, go fuck yourself.
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I'm terrified about what this means for us. I really am.
 
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