Shogmaster
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They didn't lose women vote. They lost WHITE women vote.
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2016 Presidential Exit Poll Shocker: Increased Support for Trump from Minorities
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They didn't lose women vote. They lost WHITE women vote.
I know there was a belief it was the rural racists was the reason Trump won, but I think there is a lot of evidence showing that Hilary did not appeal to a lot of liberals. Worst turn out since 2000. Trump had less votes in WI than Rmoney did.
I don't get how people are so stupid, but it seems clear that you need a candidate who can inspire people. Being qualified is clearly not the biggest reason. This isn't exactly new. Just look at Carter vs Reagan.
I don't get how people are so stupid, but it seems clear that you need a candidate who can inspire people. Being qualified is clearly not the biggest reason. This isn't exactly new. Just look at Carter vs Reagan.
The bubble here is amazing.
You know, maybe some of these people felt screwed by the elites too. Many Latinos are here legally. Some people don't like living in cities where crime is going up. Asians are being passed over university slots they're more qualified for than other minorities due to diversity policies. The ACLU is suing a Catholic hospital, because doctors won't perform abortions in it. And I continue to point out, Democrats have proposed nothing economically acceptable for people who aren't college material. This completely explains the white woman margin.
Hillary committed to what you want, which isn't what they want. That a horrible person like Trump still got their vote should tell you guys something other than what you all continue to keep inferring.
You know, maybe some of these people felt screwed by the elites too. Many Latinos are here legally. Some people don't like living in cities where crime is going up. Asians are being passed over university slots they're more qualified for than other minorities due to diversity policies. The ACLU is suing a Catholic hospital, because doctors won't perform abortions in it. And I continue to point out, Democrats have proposed nothing economically acceptable for people who aren't college material. This completely explains the white woman margin.
Hillary committed to what you want, which isn't what they want. That a horrible person like Trump still got their vote should tell you guys something other than what you all continue to keep inferring.
Generally speaking, I think new immigrants tend to vote D, and more established Latinos vote R, but then there's the class issue too and with higher generally going R and lower going D, which is also crossed with the religious portion. It's quite complicated. It was funny reading in the paper today about the big swath of Latino voters like they were all going to vote the same way (hillary), which they didnt.
electrotonus
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Why shouldn't Latinos vote for Trump? Latinos are not a uniform group. Instead they are highly diverse, racially and culturally wise.
One can argue that Trump insulted Mexicans (albeit I would deny that, he was clearly talking about illegal Mexican immigrants, not all Mexicans) but what negative did he ever say about, say, Cubans?
I'm actually surprised that his percentages with Latino voters are actually that low. I thought he would crack at least into the low 30s.
One can argue that Trump insulted Mexicans (albeit I would deny that, he was clearly talking about illegal Mexican immigrants, not all Mexicans) but what negative did he ever say about, say, Cubans?
I'm actually surprised that his percentages with Latino voters are actually that low. I thought he would crack at least into the low 30s.
How is Trump better for this? Is he going to appeal Affirmative Action? If that happens, they sure they aren't going to be passed up for less qualified White people instead of less qualified other minorities?
I say this as an Asian person btw
Mr. Pointy
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Trump's got control of Congress and if anything, he'll try to get those three things done, because he knows that that's what the people voting for him remember the most about his """""""policies""""""". So if he can accomplish at least one of those and appear to make progress on the other two, he has a 2nd term locked.
Nemesis121
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People rather be racially profiled since they been dealing with it all their lives(what's another 4 years) than have a woman in charge.. minorities who voted for Trump gonna be in for a huge shock....
One possible reason he won't go for all three and only stick with the jobs portion is because that is something Everyone can get behind. That guarantees him a second term but that's looking waaaay to far ahead. The other two things are just good news headline fodder during elections but bad for business as he would probably say, for him and for other republicans who will need him to do well to keep R butts in the House in two years.
I may be an outsider as an Australian, but all those demographics to me mean absolutely shit in the grand context of why people voted the way they did.
To me, it seems this was all about establishment vs anti-establishment. People worldwide are become sick and tired of the political status quo and misguided or not people saw Trump as a candidate that was not the political status quo.
Why do you think the Bernie Sanders revolution was so much bigger than people anticipated??? It was not a coincidence, it was a sign.
To me, it seems this was all about establishment vs anti-establishment. People worldwide are become sick and tired of the political status quo and misguided or not people saw Trump as a candidate that was not the political status quo.
Why do you think the Bernie Sanders revolution was so much bigger than people anticipated??? It was not a coincidence, it was a sign.
Kite
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I've been posting on gaf for a while now, don't assume minority = progressive/vote Democrat.
GAF really is an echo chamber, not everyone values identity politics that highly. First female president.. ok.. and what? Obama was the first Black president and he had the message of hope and change. And lets be honest, Obama is charismatic and inspiration as hell but his actual presidency has been kinda meh. His biggest project, ACA, is in shambles. So Hillary promising more of the same is not going to excite too many people. I thought Trump being such an awful person would scare people into voting for her but I guess not..
And then there is the giant elephant in the room. I think many Americans are more ok with a Black man being in charge than a White woman. I usually roll my eyes at the more extreme SJW stuff but.. something is off.
GAF really is an echo chamber, not everyone values identity politics that highly. First female president.. ok.. and what? Obama was the first Black president and he had the message of hope and change. And lets be honest, Obama is charismatic and inspiration as hell but his actual presidency has been kinda meh. His biggest project, ACA, is in shambles. So Hillary promising more of the same is not going to excite too many people. I thought Trump being such an awful person would scare people into voting for her but I guess not..
And then there is the giant elephant in the room. I think many Americans are more ok with a Black man being in charge than a White woman. I usually roll my eyes at the more extreme SJW stuff but.. something is off.
Trump knows how to brand people. He started saying "Crooked Hillary" so much that even liberals and independents believed it. The story was the same in the primaries with his "Lyin Ted" "Little Marco" "Low-Energy Jeb" nicknames. People start buying into those names when they hear them enough. They may not repeat the same names but they associate the person with that idea.
Dash_Riprock
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People REALLY needs this bored in their heads. In California black and latino voters were by and large for Prop 8 which banned gay marriage.
Part of this might be true, but since the beginning of this election there's was a big refusal of another Bush/Clinton dynasty and that was where Trump came in as an outsider. That's why Jeb! was so quickly dismissed. They didn't want another Bush. Clinton sticking around was a default position due to there only being three options on the Democratic side, but that no dynasty idea was always there and made abundantly clear tonight. People wanted someone anti-establishment as the poster above pointed out.
I don't want to say women didn't want to see another woman succeed or anything like that, but it was naive to assume that women would vote for Hillary just because she was a woman. There's aspects of religion, class, the stink of Bill, and other things going on too.
California, the bastion of liberalism also passed Prop 187 years ago to deny rights to illegal aliens until the courts ruled it unconstitutional too.
Nate Silver and the rest of the political class is taking a beating right now but he raises a good point: states that trended Hillary have more minorities, while states that trended Trump were super white working class:
States with double-digit shift to Trump vs Romney 2012:
Iowa
Maine
Michigan
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Dakota
West Virginia
So, from just looking at real-life election results "The claim from exit polls that Trump's gains v Romney came among minorities is dubious."
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/796277072251461632
States with double-digit shift to Trump vs Romney 2012:
Iowa
Maine
Michigan
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Dakota
West Virginia
So, from just looking at real-life election results "The claim from exit polls that Trump's gains v Romney came among minorities is dubious."
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/796277072251461632
Where are you getting the Romney exit poll data?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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8% is 8% too fucking much
what the fuck you hoteps
what the fuck you hoteps
hillary defended a (guilty) rapist while she was a lawyer and she slut shamed a 12 year old girl. i'm guessing that woman don't look kindly on a woman who defends a rapist. there is also her being married to an alleged rapist and a known cheater.
as was already said, latinos are very diverse (mexico, cuba, puerto rico, guatemala ect) but we tend to be catholic. podesta's leaked emails showing high ranking democrats performing spirit cooking/satanic rituals tends to scare people off even the non practicing ones. then there is the church view on abortion and homosexuals and its easy to see how almost a 1/3 of latinos supported trump. maybe latino machismo is alive and well?
There's enough blame to go around for everybody. We all failed tonight.
Me personally, I blame Bernie Sanders and his prolonged campaign the most. It splintered the Democratic base through the age bracket and in hindsight, that was that.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
There is no evidence to suggest broad resonance of this allegation in the electorate and women absolutely do not like being blamed for their cheating husbands cheating on them.
There is absolutely no evidence to suggest any awareness of this allegation among the electorate and the term "spirit cooking" is not a widely known term, having been used in a little-known performance art piece 20 years ago and then promptly forgotten until the 4chan-reddit-twitter conspiracy axis revived it in the last week.
There is little evidence to suggest a correlation between Latino religiosity and vote choice; rather, skin tone, language spoken at home, and social class best explain the stratification of vote patterns within Latino voters.
guggnichso
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Well, one thing that especially young americans on the internet do not seem to get is massively supported by this data:
People are not their race, their skin color, their gender or their sexual orientation. People are, well, people. Individuals. I think it would be good for everyone to keep this in mind.
Nevertheless, catastrophic day. Fuck Trump and everything he stands for.
People are not their race, their skin color, their gender or their sexual orientation. People are, well, people. Individuals. I think it would be good for everyone to keep this in mind.
Nevertheless, catastrophic day. Fuck Trump and everything he stands for.
mashoutposse
Ante Up
Hillary has no charisma and does not do authenticity well.
Trump spoke his mind and found a surprising number of people who agree with him. He's a career salesman and clearly knows how to close.
Trump spoke his mind and found a surprising number of people who agree with him. He's a career salesman and clearly knows how to close.
the_batman
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well that's just depressing. frat boys win again.
UnemployedVillain
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Honestly do you know how a public defender works, or are you competing for the most ignorant post of the thread? Because this is some truly dumb shit. Not to mention in what world is trying to salvage a marriage with a cheater as bad as a self admitted cheater with over a dozen women who have claimed sexual harassment/assault and one who claimed statutory rape?
I don't understand your line of thinking. It seems most voters for Trump were because he was anti establishment. Wouldn't he have tapped into that crowd regardless? If anything, Bernie probably helped by convincing some of these people to vote for Clinton.
You can't campaign against Hillary by saying she not fit for the position for months at a time while riling up first time voters with promises and then turning around and say vote for Hillary after all of that. Thesee voters remember what was said. They either tuned out of the election or when the stats come out, skipped voting entirely. For many young folks, based on that election thread, voting for the first time is a heartbreaker if you don't get your way. Even worse when you have to settle for a second choice so it wouldn't surprise me if me these potential voters went all or nothing and chose nothing instead.
Eta- and these were millions of Sanders in each state. That's a lot of lost votes.
IrishNinja
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feels like this can't be stressed enough
I wanna puke.
Horrible first post.
Monocle
Member
Rather than people's tribalism, their tenuous grasp of facts, and their vulnerability to populism?
DeaconKnowledge
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Except they didn't - Nothing about Trump is the status quo apart from the fact that he's a white male. Republicans en masse distanced themselves from him and he still won.
Say what you will about Trump but the status quo he is not. Hillary is the status quo - career politician, same ideas and philosophies.
Twice now the American People have voted for a charismatic figure who wasn't a career politician.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Best not to underthink it as well.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
The president is meant to lead the people of the country. The ability to inspire and motivate people is a key part of the qualifications.
Clinton had the better policies, the better temperament, etc but she failed as a leader, while Obama and Trump did not.
Like always in history? Like how Europe has shown us the last 10 years with the rise of all those populist parties, from the far left to the far right?
But no it's because people are dumb. Newsflash, people are always been and always will be. Maybe it's time to take that in account and realize what happen after bad economic periods to those people and how they will vote in answer to that.
Palette Swap
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That's an interesting look at things that smashes the usual look at changing demographics and the relevance of the Republican Party. The assumption always seems to be "white people are a shrinking demo, R massively appeals to them and D to everyone else, therefore R is doomed to disappear in the long run if the party doesn't change its relations to minorities". Except if members of these minorities identify as or resonate with the majority, the basic premise of "shrinking majority" becomes untrue.
Antiochus
Member
To have corroborating evidence, here are CNN's exit poll data 4 years ago from the 2012 presidential election:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
Zero in on the minority and women demographic groups. It will be extremely, extremely enlightening. Explosive, stupor mundi style upset is too mild a way to put it
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
Zero in on the minority and women demographic groups. It will be extremely, extremely enlightening. Explosive, stupor mundi style upset is too mild a way to put it
andythinkpad
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I can't understand the women vote. But minority vote is not that high. Obviously a minority candidate Obama would get higher minority vote.
Anyone goes to vote can tell Hillary's Wall street connection. Millions for a speech yeah right.
Anyone goes to vote can tell Hillary's Wall street connection. Millions for a speech yeah right.
Pretty much. Those outliers resonated most with people. The Democrats decided that they didn't want to listen to the people and shoehorned Hillary in place instead. Bernie would've had that Obama momentum but Hillary had no chance at all.
Triggerhappytel
Member
So I guess the question is, why would white women vote for this creep en mass?!
Yeah, this was the general feel of Brexit/the rise of UKIP in the UK. It's seen as a chance to rebel against the establishment in the hope something will change.
exaxtly. hahaha wtf
Well actually it's not surprising, likely dominated the white male vote so should go hand in hand
Monocle
Member
OK, fair point.
electrotonus
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Why?
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