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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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Baron Doggystyle von Woof said:
Also, the whole democratic party should be punished for this.

The old garde needs to go. Reinvent the party. Move to the left.
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What the... didn't Trump's nomination raise calls to change Republican "old guard"

PnCIa said:
Oh America. You have deep-rooted problems. This is about way more than racism. I firmly believe that your current system and "way of life" need to be looked at intensly.
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Which country are you from?
 
Baron Doggystyle von Woof said:
Also, the whole democratic party should be punished for this.

The old garde needs to go. Reinvent the party. Move to the left.
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It will be interesting to see how things will change for the Democrats, that's for sure. There's no business as usual anymore after today.

PsychoWARD23 said:
Is this satire


What is life
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Leaders congratulate each other for winning elections. That's nothing new. The context makes it interesting, but other than that this is nornal.
 
Some thoughts:
1) Nate Silver was totally correct to be jumpy at polls that were positive for Trump, 548's model was the only one that said that Trump had a half decent chance.
2) That said, all the polls where quite clearly off. I wouldn't be too surprised if the extremely negative coverage of Trump in certain sections of the media resulted in people lying to the pollsters. Either way, the high don't know percentage should have been a big red flag for everyone.
 
Steve.1981 said:
Scottish independence, EU referendum and now this. 3 times I've jumped up first thing in the morning, hurried downstairs, brewed a strong cup of coffee and switched on the BBC news with my fingers crossed.

3 strikes and you're out, so fuck it, I'm out. The idiots are running the asylum.
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What are you talking about? We dodged a bullet with the Scottish independence vote. Thank christ that didn't happen.
 
Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because we can stop the class warfare, and maybe just get along as fellow Americans.

It's a good thing because we can get rid of this income-redistribution plan called Obamacare, and perhaps bring back some of those many doctors who have been disaffected.

It's a good thing for law enforcement, who has been slandered and demonized and assassinated because of the astroturf movement that is Black Lives Matter.

It's a good thing for the national budget, which would go bust with the Democrats' spending and leave our country broken and bankrupt.

It's a good thing because despite what you have been told, half of Hispanics agree that open borders are a problem and that a legal path to citizenship is the only way to be fair to legal immigrants, blacks, and others looking to climb the jobs ladder.

It's a good thing because the president of the United States will not be indebted to foreign countries who have donated handsomely to the Clinton Foundation. U.S. interests will no longer be for sale for the personal enrichment of the Clinton family.

I could go on, but hopefully you will read up on things yourself and come to a more mature understanding of the way the world works, and America's noble place in the international community.
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Holy shit I think I just lost 20 IQ points. Let me rebuttal here then.

1. What class warfare? A candidate who is vehemently against the poor was just elected. His only economic plan results in cutting the EITC which only benefits lower income families, while slashing the highest tax bracket to the lowest point it's ever been at--while generating upwards of $20 Trillion in debt--with almost no investments to help those who live in poverty. Like they're just going to magically stop being poor with less money back each March-May. I'm sure Trump's tax plan also includes a hike in Sales Tax which crushes the ability to accumulate wealth.

2. Obamacare has literally nothing to do with income redistribution. Are you seriously implying Doctor's are struggling to get by? I think they're doing alright considering the cost of most procedures has continued to rise even after the implementation of the ACA.

3. Black Lives Matter hasn't killed anyone. Not any ranking member who is in the public eye at least. In fact, the 2 instances of people tied to BLM was basically lone wolfs who had never been to actual meetings for local chapters or posted on social media at all.

4. Democrat's spending? The Republicans are responsible for basically the most egregious spending in our budget every year since the 1980's. Between rampant tax cuts, hikes in defense spending, and corporate subsidies--not to mention endless ventures into the middle east--the Republicans have lead almost directly to a majority of spending problems. The last 2 Democratic Presidents, succeeded in running a surplus (Bill Clinton) and bring the Budget Deficit to its lowest point in over a decade. The party of "Responsible Spending" is anything but that.

5. We don't technically have Open Borders, and the number of illegal immigrants is already dropping every year. Illegal Immigration is a nonissue--and would especially be if we made legal immigration easier. Building a wall is both reckless spending and doesn't address a single issue this country faces.

6. Except none of that has ever happened. Clinton Foundation raised billions for poor women and children around the globe, compared to Trump's almost non-existent foundation that paid for his campaign expenses, a portrait of himself, and donated to a small Anti-Vaccination Charity once upon a time. If you think Trump has no foreign ties you haven't listened to anything his campaign staff has said. He has bragged about being very close to the Chinese and his son's have both claimed he has a ton of business dealings with the Russians--not to mention his campaign staff having tons of ties to Moscow and a server in his office continually communicating with a Russian Bank. And you know, the fact that he used talking points word-for-word taken from Russian Propaganda.

7. You're points are stupid.
 
I'm not even American and I saw the headline this morning and my heart sank and my eyes went into shock tunnel vision. This is horrible for the world, but especially for you in the USA.

What the fuck happened, and what the fuck is going to happen? This is like the fear of losing Brexit x 1000.

Anyone got a spare seat aboard a spacecraft? I'm ready to leave this solar system.
 
VanquishUK said:
A telegram? wat...
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Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because we can stop the class warfare, and maybe just get along as fellow Americans.
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Class warfare has been a thing since before America was founded. It will continue to be a thing so long as white people keep doing stupid shit like this to spite their neighbors.

Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because we can get rid of this income-redistribution plan called Obamacare, and perhaps bring back some of those many doctors who have been disaffected and left the profession.
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Can't bring back doctors if people don't have the money or insurance to pay them due to the fact that your candidate has no contingency plan in place for this, to say nothing of the economic fallout of austerity measures and the fact that the world has no faith in us anymore.

Kolgar said:
It's a good thing for law enforcement, who has been slandered and demonized and assassinated because of the astroturf movement that is Black Lives Matter.
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Fewer cops have died this year than in previous years, but tell us how you really feel about black people.

Kolgar said:
It's a good thing for the national budget, which would go bust with the Democrats' spending and leave our country broken and bankrupt.
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You realize debt isn't the problem, but the ability to pay it back, right?

Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because despite what you have been told, half of Hispanics agree that open borders are a problem and that a legal path to citizenship is the only way to be fair to legal immigrants, blacks, and others looking to climb the jobs ladder.
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Ignoring the irony that is white people complaining about immigration, immigrant intrusion of jobs only accounts for >1% of the entire workforce, but tell us how you really feel about Hispanic immigrants.

Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because the president of the United States will not be indebted to foreign countries who have donated handsomely to the Clinton Foundation. U.S. interests will no longer be for sale for the personal enrichment of the Clinton family.
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Trump literally said that countries would have to pay us to uphold treaties. So, yes, our interests are now for sale.

Kolgar said:
I could go on, but hopefully you will read up on things yourself and come to a more mature understanding of the way the world works, and America's noble place in the international community.
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We already know that the world centers on white people's hatred of others. We were just hoping a few of y'all were a little better than that.
 
Kolgar said:
And that recession you refer to? Caused by the housing bubble, which was caused by Democrats forcing banks to make housing loans to people who had no ability to repay them because "everyone has a right to home ownership."
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That's full-on history revisionism here. Nobody forced any banks to make subprime loans.
 
jelly said:
So why didn't people vote for change with Bernie?
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I mean, what's done is done. Hillary Clinton was a reasonable candidate. Albeit I think Bernie would've been better, the true mistake was the attitude of the loud Clinton fans afterwards. The "we don't need Bernie voters! They need to do as we wish without question!"-attitude. I said time and time that Bernie and Hillary fans need to work together and that they should act that way instead of looking down on the Bernie fans, ridiculing them instead of going a step into their direction. I don't know if it would've changed the results completely, but it surely wouldn't have hurt to be welcoming to Bernie fans instead of condescending.
 
CelticKnight said:
We were just the opening act, but now it looks like the main event just turned up.
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If Brexit was the opener, and this was the main event, look forward to the grand finale in 2017 when Le Pen wins the French elections, and a similar movement sweeps up the German elections.

I don't know when science, logic, and reason were replaced with racism, isolationism, and entitlement by the masses, but all our hopes that Brexit was a fluke are pretty much crushed now. This is a widespread problem across the entire western world. Don't think this is the end of the narrative with key European elections on the horizon.
 
Well at least we Brits are no longer the laughing stock of the world now and have a very small chance at reversing brexit (we all know that isn't happening), but you guys.........Seriously you had one job and you choose a maniac whos words were "If we have nukes why not use them?" Not only did you guys screw yourselves but you can end up taking the whole world with you. Sigh.

Democracy really is a flawed system in the end.
 
Boney said:
I don't think I can take 4 years of hearing this moron talk.

Welp. Bye bye college tuition reforms, bye bye America trying to compete against China and robots in manufacturing, bye bye increased minimum wage, bye bye women reproduction rights, bye bye gay marriage, bye bye minorities getting murdered on the street,

Globalism had a good run. See you guys when we hit the new stone age.
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I don't think the bolded part is a bad thing.

I've followed this spectacle from Finland and I must say America, you done goofed up.
 
Feel so sorry for you guys. The will really hurt your reputation internationally, from everything I know about him seems he's gonna be George W part 2, but worse
 
The lack of empathy here on both sides is abhorrent. Everyone is either a cartoon villain racist or some bleeding heart hippy. People are complex animals, with varying experiences, communities, and needs. This leads to differing worldviews and opinions. Believe it or not, it wasn't a choice between two clone candidates, only one was a racist, sexist shit bag and the other a saint. The vast majority of people on Trumps side weren't voting for "fuck yeah racism! Grab them minorities by the pussy!" the same way that Clinton voters weren't voting for "take all the money away from hard working Americans."
That so many people in these threads have so little empathy towards their fellow man to distill their unique personal interests into these crude mockeries of reasoning is disturbing.
 
Holy fuck, for once in my life I didn't want to be right. I hope America stops imitating UK and the Democratic party doesn't to implode like Labour.
 
Kolgar said:
It's a good thing because we can stop the class warfare, and maybe just get along as fellow Americans.

It's a good thing because we can get rid of this income-redistribution plan called Obamacare, and perhaps bring back some of those many doctors who have been disaffected and left the profession.

It's a good thing for law enforcement, who has been slandered and demonized and assassinated because of the astroturf movement that is Black Lives Matter.

It's a good thing for the national budget, which would go bust with the Democrats' spending and leave our country broken and bankrupt.

It's a good thing because despite what you have been told, half of Hispanics agree that open borders are a problem and that a legal path to citizenship is the only way to be fair to legal immigrants, blacks, and others looking to climb the jobs ladder.

It's a good thing because the president of the United States will not be indebted to foreign countries who have donated handsomely to the Clinton Foundation. U.S. interests will no longer be for sale for the personal enrichment of the Clinton family.

I could go on, but hopefully you will read up on things yourself and come to a more mature understanding of the way the world works, and America's noble place in the international community.
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EDIT: ^neurosisxeno^ probably said things better than me.

End class warfare and maybe get along? Trump has said he wants all Muslims out and has offended nearly every group of people to the point where his supporters have attacked them, Muslims, blacks, all. Look at the reactions here even, he isn't one that will bring anyone together. He's supporters love feeling like they're a better class of people. No way.

What about the people that benefit from it? Like the one poster (forget if this thread or the other) and his sister with her brain injury(?).

Let me guess, BLM doesn't count but BlueLM does? Have all the black people killed by police deserved it? I agree violence against police isn't the right way to go about fixing the issue but there is an issue.

And how are Republicans going to fix the budget? Any plans?

A literal wall dividing people is not the answer.

What about Trump and Russia? You really think Trump's personal politics won't be an issue ever?

Oh, and thanks for insulting my intelligence. My dad already did that and likely will again tomorrow but what's one more?

You know, it's 4 in the morning and I should try and get some sleep. Thanks for actually replying as it seems Trump supporters have a hard time doing that even if you have to end it that way.
 
Hillary was a mistake but it was "her turn". Polling showed her own party had a large majority of disgust for her. It literally came down to the fact Trump was complete shit in their eyes so they had to vote for Hillary.

That is not how an election should go. Trump won an election by beating the Democrats and the Republicans. Politics got so Toxic it came down to a sad situation like this
 
jelly said:
So why didn't people vote for change with Bernie?
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They did. He would have had more support had the media actually covered him. Besides a passing result or poll...Bernie was never spoken of. They propped Trump up instead and now he's President. The mainstream media created Trump's rise by covering everything he did. We'd all be wise to abandon the media.
 
Chariot said:
I mean, what's done is done. Hillary Clinton was a reasonable candidate. Albeit I think Bernie would've been better, the true mistake was the attitude of the loud Clinton fans afterwards. The "we don't need Bernie voters! They need to do as we wish without question!"-attitude. I said time and time that Bernie and Hillary fans need to work together and that they should act that way instead of looking down on the Bernie fans, ridiculing them instead of going a step into their direction.
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100%
Trump's army of voters was too strong for people to go off creating an even bigger divide.
 
For me as a non-American President Trump's electoral success is a sign that American democracy is still healthy. You have to give credit where credit is due. Almost the complete establishment and media was against him, still the people elected the person they deemed most fit and didn't let themselves persuaded to vote against their perceived interest.
 
Delusibeta said:
Some thoughts:
1) Nate Silver was totally correct to be jumpy at polls that were positive for Trump, 548's model was the only one that said that Trump had a half decent chance.
2) That said, all the polls where quite clearly off. I wouldn't be too surprised if the extremely negative coverage of Trump in certain sections of the media resulted in people lying to the pollsters. Either way, the high don't know percentage should have been a big red flag for everyone.
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Even Nate is not free of blame. His predictive model had Clinton winning literally the entire time with the exception of one day where trump was up by 0.1%. Her likelihood was as high as nearly 90%. Even when they posted the "sobered" prediction fire election day Clinton still had a 75% chance.

Yes they didn't go full clown shoes like fucking Huffpo, but I wouldn't say they got it "right" either.
 
Baron Doggystyle von Woof said:
You know the worst part about this is that he denies climate change.

This is one of the most important issues in the next hundred years as a species. And the most powerful country in the world not only denies it, but also blames it to the second most powerful country in the world as a hoax.
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The US are going to lose 'moral capital' in a irreversible way. The superpowers that actually fight climate change will be the ones receiving goodwill from the population of non-aligned countries. US leadership has been fatally wounded.
 
Me and my family recently had to run for our lives out of our 2nd country thanks to a corrupt dictator, so It saddens me that now my original home country decides to elect someone who admires dictators.

Of course I'm also now seriously worried about the future of climate change, it was bad enough already and now trump is going to make it even worse :( a good example how this election affects more than just the US.
 
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