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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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Well, actually, it kind of is. If you are a loud, outspoken Trump supporter you are likely to get banned for saying some stupid shit on NeoGAF.

Um. There have been several of those in this very thread who aren't banned. And there's a discussion with them. "Echo chamber" means you don't even see/hear the other side.

If they are banned it's because they said racist shite. It doesn't matter if you're talking about Trump or politics.
 
『Inaba Resident』;223773585 said:
Im trying to see any silver lining in this and I can't. Like. at all. Its ALL bad. We're fucked.

The Supreme Court being lost is truly where the doom and gloom comes in. That's a decades long problem.
 
You know what, guys and gals? For being such a smart bunch of caring liberals, the hatred shown toward me in this thread speaks volumes of you.

Guess you're not the wonderful, welcoming, and inclusive people you all pretend to be.

Much easier to project your problems onto others you don't agree with, I suppose.

The good news is, you have four years to learn differently, if Donald Trump does right by the people and the country.

He may. He may not. I can only hope for the best.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the mood.
https://twitter.com/welovetrump/status/796071683958439937

I think we should take the next 4 years to really think about how we best deal with this type of person. I mean, there MUST be a way to reach through to someone like him? Or is it really impossible to convince an impassioned person in a rational manner?
 
Since it's official now:

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she didn't even come out to thank her supporters or anything. unless she collapsed due to shock i gotta say tonight is reflecting extremely poorly on her as well.

hopefully she says something soon.

I'd be devastated.

I mean I'd barely be able to face a crowd who thought it was in the bag and then try to hold it together when I apologise and try to say nice things about someone who actively wanted to lock me up.

This will weigh on her forever, I don't begrudge her some alone time.
 
Had a feeling this was going to happen after Bernie lost the primary. So much for Hillarly being the most "electable" candidate. Anyone even remotely paying attention could tell Hillarly had very real electability issues.

And I did end up voting for her in IL; had friends that voted Johnson though. At least the DNC will have to go with someone new in 2020...right?

yeah, a candidate even more to the right than hillary.

a progressive platform isnt what wins in America anymore. That was 2012.
 
Why should we show anything but contempt for this bigoted, hate filled buffoon and everybody who supports him? If you expect us to tolerate intolerance, to abide by hatred, you've got another thing coming.

I think what people fail to understand is social issues do not in any way effect these people. They are poor and white. Their finances effect them and they couldn't give two fucks about anything else. They voted for trump because he was the only one speaking to them about their problems.
 
You know what, guys and gals? For being such a smart bunch of caring liberals, the hatred shown toward me in this thread speaks volumes of you.

Guess you're not the wonderful, welcoming, and inclusive people you all pretend to be.

Much easier to project your problems onto others you don't agree with, I suppose.

The good news is, you have four years to learn differently, if Donald Trump does right by the people and the country.

He may. He may not. I can only hope for the best.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the mood.
https://twitter.com/welovetrump/status/796071683958439937

So you placed your hope on Donald Trump? If you place your hopes on a racist, a bigot, a sexist, anyone like that, you are going to be criticized because I like to think we should try our best to not have those types of people in society in power. I'm sorry if you do feel the hatred, we shouldn't tear everyone down we come across regardless of opinion. But I like to think that we and many others who are rightfully upset understand decency, that we understand that Minorities, The LGBTQ community, the greater world in some countries if we really want to get down to it, shouldn't have to be afraid for their very lives. What does a Muslim family do tomorrow? What are they telling their kids? That the Bigot and the Bully won? Van jones says it better than i ever will
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/796227740269690880
And this is Especially when one of those societies, was built upon many of the people he spent a campaign belittling and mocking. We have our own reflection to do today and every day towards every election in the coming years.
 
Is there a good site with statical breakdowns on stats?

NBC was reporting African American voting numbers were way down, while other groups were up.
 
Looking at the results compared to 2012 and 2008 (heck, even 2004), you can basically chalk this down to too many people voting 'other' / 'independent'.

4.8% of people who voted did not for Clinton or Trump. In the previous three elections, this stat was no higher than 1.6%. Now, I may be oversimplifying this (or downright wrong!), but if even a single percent more voters voted for Clinton in Florida (3.1% for other), Michigan (5.1% for other), Pennsylvania (3.6% for other) and Wisconsin (5.2% for other), Clinton would have won.

It's not even people stupidly voting Trump that caused this to happen...it's the idiots who literally wasted their vote on something irrelevant.
 
You know what, guys and gals? For being such a smart bunch of caring liberals, the hatred shown toward me in this thread speaks volumes of you.

Guess you're not the wonderful, welcoming, and inclusive people you all pretend to be.

Much easier to project your problems onto others you don't agree with, I suppose.

The good news is, you have four years to learn differently, if Donald Trump does right by the people and the country.

He may. He may not. I can only hope for the best.

I'll just leave this here to lighten the mood.
https://twitter.com/welovetrump/status/796071683958439937

"Please respect my view that some people just don't matter"
 
And then the next election in the Netherlands, Wilders will get a majority vote and we'll feel the same. This is a global trend unfortunately, not just American.

This is what I'm scared for. The upcoming election in the Netherlands is going to be painful I'm afraid :(
 
This sort of condescending bullshit is exactly why Trump came out on top so unexpectedly.

Utter and utter nonsense, Trump and his basket of deplorables have been condescending to liberals and most minorities from the getgo and they got even rewarded for it. And most of it was even based on nothing, unlike us.
 
Well.. this is just depressing. Racism and misogyny won.
I guess groups like ISIS will be happy, it's easier to recruit when the president of the US has it in for muslims.
Trump also doesn't believe in climate change apparently, so no matter what way you look at it... everything's gonna get worse.
It's absolutely devastating. This country is now lead by a retard. Good job guuys.
 
Chill out with the misanthropy. The kind and good and enlightened have always been the minority, at every point in history.

You're condemning the entire species for the dark elements that have always existed. You think people should just give up fighting for human rights and knowledge because anti-intellectualism and bigotry are at a temporary high tide? Collect your balls and fucking do something to make the world better, whether it's working with others to support a cause you believe in, or investing in yourself so that you can be a positive, constructive presence in the world.

Take a walk through a museum or read some damn books. A rich history of art and literature and philosophy and science are waiting for you. If you're prepared to say our collective achievements are worthless, it's time to take a step back and get in touch with the things that make life worth living.

I needed this. I felt we as Americans walked a tight rope of "doing the right thing" with problems we have by being proactive or reactive to assuming we'll just be apathetic. While that's still true, if this country goes to flames and the human experiment is a dud, at the very least I will aim to live for compatibility, truth, and reality "as is", not the warped mungofucko tumor that apparently is the cultural narrative of America post-Orange Con Man.

It's not just you guys. First Brexit, now this. I believe France and Germany will be next. Humans were a mistake, we are nothing but trash. Climate change fuckery can't come soon enough to wipe us out, and having deniers in powerful positions will just accelerate the process.

I am feeling a big disappointment in the human race for years now, believing in something good is useless, as a collective we are shit.

I've had time to reflect on a quote that summarizes the problems we face, even if those voted for Trump have beguiled themselves into thinking bridges will be made over the holes.

"When another person makes you suffer, it is because he suffers deeply within himself, and his suffering is spilling over." - Thich Naht Hanh

We, myself included, are quick to call Trump supporters pavement tasting fucking idiots, but fail to realize what they are merely amounts to an amalgamation, a cultivation, a product of prior causes.

We should begin to understand that by asking why have things gotten the way they have. Let us ignore the people even on the ballot for office for a moment. When people say this country is better off than X period, can a feeling, a perception, a conceptualization one adheres to, really fall when facing a fact? Only with a right mind can it. Ask the precariat in this country, those both failed by Republicans and Democrats alike, how their lives have truly been supported when they feel they are drowning. We may call them delusional, but that doesn't help the problem.

We can talk about how Obama's legacy was one where he tried to help people, and that he did. But we also cannot dismiss those who feel it's not enough. Take coal miners or manufacturing jobs. Are these both in dissolution? Yes, as they should be.

But are we really helping these people being dissolved from their livelihoods? No, we're not.

Many of us accept progress, change, Capitalism, whatever you want to call it, and engage in apathy here. Instead of assuring a floor, to be compassionate and aid those on a platform falling for them, we have told them they're on their own. Their own suffering, their own precarious has been fueled by this very same culture that claims to care for them. And this is because the care, the actions of compassion, the aid, is not far-reaching enough. We say things are fine, we look at productivity numbers and fingers, but that doesn't change the dissolution. Much like Michael Moore has said, places like Flint Michigan have been all but abandoned by our framework. Do these people feel the boons this culture has gotten collectively? Obviously not. They can't even drink water without anxiety. Nothing ever came back for what they lost. This vote seems to fuel a great deal of people feeling like Flint. They might not actually be, but they feel it.

What happens to people who suffer, be it through delusion or reality, and this culture in some way has failed them? Their suffering, their hostility, their conflict, is now shared in others, to others. It doesn't matter if their revolt is to someone who can help, or in this case a man, platform, and party literally inept at doing so, but that anger grows and blows up somewhere.

How we deal with these people is the difficult thing. I have no answers. I'm sure many of them think God and all of that righteousness nonsense is on their side here, but the key is to show them futility. Show these people how Trump can't actually assure the jobs he deliberately lies about coming back. Obliterate the stones in their hands that they confuse for truth.

Their suffering has now led to our suffering, and the only solution is to find something accountable to reality, to "what is." Unfortunately, we have elected people too engaged with "what should be" or "what must be" to really be honest about reality. Too much subjective evocation leads to too much conflict with objective reality, which is humankind's core problem throughout history. But, to link it to the present scenario...

- The jobs people are desperate to depend upon and that entire social order is in decay.

- They're looking to hang on because this entire system has told them this is what they need to survive, failing to even propose an alternative.

- It fails to give them answers when it falls for them.

This is where we need to be, to be clear about this. Anything less is precisely why people harp on the durrhurrjobs claims with trade and all of that other nonsense. They're looking for a floor, but instead this culture has built a plank, and for many people, that's become a cage.

Unfortunately, the candidate most likely to have dealt with this was Barack Obama, who has had the balls to admit all of this. Hillary has been averse (because the public is averse; no mainstream alternative = this is all we got in the eyes of many), and Trump, per usual, has lied and said unfruths.

People chose the candidate most prone to appeal to their emotions, fears, and concerns, even if he's perhaps the most inept person in human history to deal with them. And he's poised to obliterate massive swaths of this very same culture in a futile attempt to make his false promises true.
 
I feel so bad for calling people who voted for this monster bigots.

Maybe in ten years, when the justices and policies he's put in place strip my rights from me they'll feel bad for me too.

Wait.
 
Of course she didnt know how to give her exit speech. She lost to a clown. She had it in her mind that she would be the first female president and go down in history. Everyone around her told her this as well. She forgot that you have to be somewhat interesting and challenging on some issues. Her history of flip flopping on issues didn't help anything and only served to show her as untrustworthy. She was unlikable and didn't focus enough on the swing states she needed to win. States that Bernie got more votes than she did in.
 
yeah, a candidate even more to the right than hillary.

a progressive platform isnt what wins in America anymore. That was 2012.

Bullshit. It's Hillary's history and baggage, coupled with Trumps insane anti-establishment surge.
I dare say actual policy was the least important part about this election. It was all about divisiveness.
 
The pound tanked hard because of the Brexit news, and it SKYROCKET the price of games here

We are talking a %40 increase

Now that Trump has won I see the $ going the same direction for the next 6 months while the world stabilizes around this new

I swear if this bullshit USA election pushes the prices even higher im going to flip
 
You're wrong. In many states Trump won by the margin of votes of Jill Stein. A vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.

Any third party vote was a protest vote and cost us the election. Those are the people that have to feel the trump presidency weigh on their conscience.

.. unless those votes would have instead been for trump which they easily could have been republicans who didn't want to vote trump that voted for a third party instead.

it's not the protest votes that cost the election it was not enough people getting out to vote for Hillary.

I really wish we would move to Preferential voting system( I know it will never happen as it would seriously weaken the two party system we currently have.), that way people could vote third party without hearing this crap (note I voted Hillary not that it maters.) I hate this shaming of people voting for a different party.
 
I still don't really know how to react here.

Do I go on a tirade over what a disaster Trump is?
Do I begin my personal autopsy of the Democratic loss?
Do I just apathetically let all this flow over me and see what happens?
Do I panic?
...


Instead I just wrote this post as a form of therapy and trying to cope.


~fin~
 
I think what people fail to understand is social issues do not in any way effect these people. They are poor and white. Their finances effect them and they couldn't give two fucks about anything else. They voted for trump because he was the only one speaking to them about their problems.

No, Hillary was speaking to them too. It just wasn't a handwave answer that blamed illegal immigrants, nor a promise to bring back jobs that just aren't coming back.
 
Looking at the results compared to 2012 and 2008 (heck, even 2004), you can basically chalk this down to too many people voting 'other' / 'independent'.

4.8% of people who voted did not for Clinton or Trump. In the previous three elections, this stat was no higher than 1.6%. Now, I may be oversimplifying this (or downright wrong!), but if even a single percent more voters voted for Clinton in Florida (3.1% for other), Michigan (5.1% for other), Pennsylvania (3.6% for other) and Wisconsin (5.2% for other), Clinton would have won.

It's not even people stupidly voting Trump that caused this to happen...it's the idiots who literally wasted their vote.

oh hey, but i thought voting third party would send a message? the message of literally eradicating any hope of liberal progressiveness for about 40 years.

but no, bernie dragging hillary through the mud will have no effect right fam? calling her untrustworthy and then trying to stump for her right after will obviously work out splendidly
 
I really look forward to reading the public pollsters explanation in the coming months.
11/8 predictions:
Wang=99% Clinton wins.
Fivethirtyeight=71% Clinton wins.
 
It certainly does reflect extremely poorly on her character. She should have just done it straight away.

I mean, it's not the best look, but if Trump lost he'd probably be acting like a child and saying the vote was rigged.

She probably wants time to prepare, this was an upset very few saw coming. I don't think most Trump supporters even thought he'd truly win.
 
Would you have to be crazily cynical to think that much of the Trump vs RNC antagonism was calculated theatre? Allowed Trump to keep courting the anti-establishment vote while allowing the RNC to soothe their base and protect their down-ticket candidates? If that was the play... they nailed it.

Wonder how quickly Trump and Ryan will be buddies.
 
I think what people fail to understand is social issues do not in any way effect these people. They are poor and white. Their finances effect them and they couldn't give two fucks about anything else. They voted for trump because he was the only one speaking to them about their problems.
Ding ding ding we have a winner. People vote in their self interests. To act like that's surprising is... Interesting to say the least. To act like all Trump supporters voted because they hate other races rather than because of their (debatably misguided - I wouldn't vote for the man) belief that he would help them more than Hillary is willfully ignorant.
 
He has the the House and the bleeping Senate, and they're all petrified of him. They'll be no real check on him. And if he fucks things up for four (probably eight) years, another democrat will be elected and have the unenviable job of trying fix his mess, then getting blamed for the mess occurring. We just went through a recession not even ten years ago and we learned nothing from it.
 
The pound tanked hard because of the Brexit news, and it SKYROCKET the price of games here

We are talking a %40 increase

Now that Trump has won I see the $ going the same direction for the next 6 months while the world stabilizes around this new

I swear if this bullshit USA election pushes the prices even higher im going to flip

My backlog is ridiculous. Gluttonous. Good time to go on a buying freeze, I guess.
 
I loathe Trump and if I could I would've voted Hillary, but come on now: GAF was literally 5th for the site that linked Hillary's official site the most on the internet.

People were absolutely stuck in their own bubble here, and it was obvious before the primaries were even over when so many people here turned on Bernie.

I didn't know that - interesting, jeez.

Fair enough, but my point still stands that an "echo chamber" is when you literally can't even hear or see the other side of the fence. Social media is an echo chamber because it decides what you like/want and feeds it to you. GAF literally doesn't do that. This was my point.
 
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