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[HeisenbergLannister]

Where are the cries of rigged election and voter fraud?

 

[onadesertedisland]

The Left needs their own Trump to keep up the chatter about his Tax return, birth certificate style.

The Democrats have lost the message game for years. They don't even know how to talk to the voter anymore. It's sad, but this is what the voter wants. The voter wants to hear that the other side is why their life has problems. I can't wait for Trump's state of the unions where he pimps his casinos and vodka and other shit. I'd laugh if it wasn't so scary.

 

[TheStruggler]

So what happened? People on here told me Hilary had this locked down and no need to worry etc. Where did it go wrong? Obviously she under performed significantly however was this a hijacked vote from the white supremacist society "taking" America back, or people believing Trump can fix the economy because he is a "business man"

 

[Suburban Thug]

No thanks. It's obviously more complex than "you voted for Trump, you're a bigot".

If you can't see that I'm not going to exhaust myself arguing the point.

I am sitting here asking you to expand on your thought in a respectful manner and your response is "no thanks lol" dude? Did you even read my post? I said most, NOT all Trump supporters could be categorized as bigots one way or another. You don't have to go around lynching people or burning mosques to be a bigot. It can be much more subtle.

 

[Seiryoden]

Liberal politicians around the world quickly need to come up with a message that resonates with the victims of globalisation. Both Trump and the Brexit brigade were able to fuse nostalgia, xenophobia and jingoism in a way that excited people who felt left behind by the modern world and yearned for the "glory days".

We are seeing former industrial heartlands in the UK and US turning to extreme-right candidates because they don't feel like anyone else gives a shit about them. Of course they are deluding themselves but it's damning that nobody has found an argument that works against it. What can candidates like Hillary Clinton say to people who have seen their livelihoods destroyed by the demise of traditional domestic industry? How can she appeal to those who are irritated by social progressivism? Just what can she offer them that will improve their lives? All she could do was call these people deplorable and say their jobs were never coming back, but the truth hurts, and people aren't going to vote for someone that hurls sand in their eyes and tells them to get with the times.

+1. Posting from the North of England.

 

[ptuck874]

I mean, you literally are giving zero substance to your point. The entire reason we are asking you to explain is because we obviously don't see the point, otherwise we wouldn't be asking you to explain.

I don't get why you're not a bigot if you vote for Trump.

you can be a bigot and vote for Hillary as well, this race stuff has to stop, maybe you think that is why Trump won? people just tired of the status quo, even 12 % and 29 % of black and hispanic went to Trump are you saying they are bigots?

 

[paperboywriter]

~10min till hillary speech

 

[ClosingADoor]

The obvious answer would be to offer education and universal minimum income. But Trump voters would not want that. It is going to be interesting/scary to see what red meat Trump throws to his supporters when it becomes apparent that he is not able to reverse or even slow down globalization/automation.

No, you don't need a universal income. That will play into the other side even more. "Look at those people stealing our tax money!".

What you need is a solution to wage stagnation and creation of full time jobs. Europe has a few other issues also, but when the economy goes well and the working class feels like it is going well, those problems are easier to fix.

 

[EloquentM]

I guess the only bright side is that Nevada is basically a blue state now.

And we got legal weed!


I'll need it

You guys got it too?! Imma see if I can grab some today in cali

 

[pringles]

whaaa??? billions??? dude, it's all good, I don't see how that would happen, ya'll should be happy in all seriousness, maybe with him being a little more nationalistic, maybe he can get the cia to stop some of this crazy nation building, ala' isis, etc...

A climate change denying government in the world's most important country when it comes to fighting global warming? Yeah this will almost definitely negatively affect billions of people. That's even ignoring that the guy questions why the US isn't using their nuclear weapons and how he wants to deport countless millions of people and rip apart free trade agreements.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Welp, there goes NATO. How is this a good idea?

 

[More_Badass]

America made someone president who doesn't believe Barack Obama is American.

I can just imagine the atmosphere in the room where he has to debrief Trump on stuff

 

[Seik]

Just woke up and clocked in but decided to post on GAF.

I'm inspired right now. I'm an artist so what I do is music and I have an idea of what I need to do, I'm thoroughly inspired to write some new songs, do some new music just overall something hit me. We're living in hard times and all I can do is keep moving forward. I can't let this stop me from protecting my family and friends. I can't let this stop me from living my life. I'm a black Southern man in the South, I have it hard enough as it but I can make a difference, I can make change and I can do what I can to support those I love. I can make a way. Regardless who our president is, I refuse to be stopped. As far as I'm concerned, I gotta do what I gotta do so that involves living life to the fullest.

I hope everyone is safe and continues to be safe. We can't give up. We have an obligation to uphold to our loved ones to keep going. Let's do it together.

That's the spirit!

 

[Steel]

So what happened? People on here told me Hilary had this locked down and no need to worry etc. Where did it go wrong? Obviously she under performed significantly however was this a hijacked vote from the white supremacist society "taking" America back, or people believing Trump can fix the economy because he is a "business man"

Trump got 20% of the minority vote and won. Not to mention he didn't get the popular vote. What do you think happened?

 

[Flying Toaster]

I mean, you literally are giving zero substance to your point. The entire reason we are asking you to explain is because we obviously don't see the point, otherwise we wouldn't be asking you to explain.

I don't get why you're not a bigot if you vote for Trump.

A lot of people voted for Trump because it was their way to be anarchists. Were there sexists, racists and bigots voting for Trump? YES!

But there were also a lot of people that felt that voting for Trump was voting against what the media and the "establishment" in Washington was serving as a narrative.

A trump vote to a lot of people was a protest vote.

Protest votes are dangerous and we are seeing what happens when people use them.

 

[ricelord]

darkest timeline confirmed.

 

[Lego Boss]

Still feels absolutely surreal. A reality tv star is the next president

Only in America . . .

 

[Maebe]

I see we're still on this "we need to empathize with the Trump voters" shit.

Nah.

I'm good.

Fuck them.

Yeah. We see the KKK celebrating it. His supporters know exactly who he panders to and still voted for him. I see disheartened american minorities all over social media. This is all on him and his voters.

 

[Killer Queen]

So there's nothing that can reverse this? Fuck this is depressing. Especially since Clinton has the popular vote.

 

[Lifejumper]

Im afraid geert wilders will get powers too here in Holland. I mean the guy looks like a younger thrump.

 

[The Elite]

No thanks. It's obviously more complex than "you voted for Trump, you're a bigot".

If you can't see that I'm not going to exhaust myself arguing the point.

I think "If you voted for Trump, you enabled bigotry" is accurate. People who voted for Trump decided they were ok with racism and sexism if they got what they want.

I do agree though, the situation is a lot more complex and needs to be treated as such. The only way to come back from this is to understand the underlying reasons for a Trump vote and counter it with an improved candidate and campaign.

 

[teruterubozu]

Where are the cries of rigged election and voter fraud?

I just heard Trump's spokesperson say "Trump said the media and the polls were rigged!"
The spin machine has kicked into gear.

 

[Xun]

I'm just so...ashamed. I can't be proud of a United States that fully embraced xenophobia, racism and sexism so fully in a president-elect.

Welcome to how every Remain voter has felt since the 24th June.

Fun isn't it?

 

[kms_md]

One thing I hope to see happen (and derail any potential future witch trials in Congress) would be for President Obama to formerly pardon Hillary Clinton for any potential crimes committed while Secretary of State in the same way that Ford pardoned Nixon.

I realize this would be controversial and potentially red meat for this newly activated right leaning base of the the electorate. However, if anything done while SoS was off the table, the FBI and the Congress would have nothing pertinent left to investigate. In the short term Obama's popularity would take a hit, but, really what does he care. He is out the door.

 

[maquiladora]

whaaa??? billions??? dude, it's all good, I don't see how that would happen, ya'll should be happy in all seriousness, maybe with him being a little more nationalistic, maybe he can get the cia to stop some of this crazy nation building, ala' isis, etc...

Wake up.

Donald Trump reiterates desire to murder terrorists' families
Trump says ‘torture works,’ backs waterboarding and ‘much worse’
Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'
Donald Trump: ban all Muslims entering US

 

[bomb]

how does anyone know what is going to happen? Obama made a bunch of claims that he never fulfilled.

 

[Zakalwe]

I am sitting here asking you to expand on your thought in a respectful manner and your response is "no thanks lol" dude? Did you even read my post? I said most, NOT all Trump supporters could be categorized as bigots one way or another. You don't have to go around lynching people or burning mosques to be a bigot. It can be much more subtle.

See below.

I mean, you literally are giving zero substance to your point. The entire reason we are asking you to explain is because we obviously don't see the point, otherwise we wouldn't be asking you to explain.

I don't get why you're not a bigot if you vote for Trump.

Many people disagreed with Hilary and her camp's policies, many people saw the options in front of them as nothing but a coin flip between two terrible sets of ideals and decided to protest by attempting to shake the system, and so on...

Not everyone who voted Trump agrees with his personal ideals, and not every vote for Trump was a vote to support a bigoted view.

Did these people make intelligent decisions? Who knows, time will tell. There is a possibility that Trump winning will have a positive effect on the political system long-term, and perhaps many saw this as an opportunity.

Again, it's far more complex than you seem to think it is.

I think "If you voted for Trump, you enabled bigotry" is accurate. People who voted for Trump decided they were ok with racism and sexism if they got what they want.

I do agree though, the situation is a lot more complex and needs to be treated as such. The only way to come back from this is to understand the underlying reasons for a Trump vote and counter it with an improved candidate and campaign.

Absolutely agree with this.

 

[Kumquat]

Look people. Trump and the right will only have so much political power they can spend and they have to prioritize. As much as they thump about gay marriage it makes very little sense for them to challenge that. The most likely target is going to be Obamacare which honestly is terrible in many ways. The best thing Obamacare did was take away the issues with coverage being denied for pre existing conditions.

Also, just be thankful it is Trump and not Ted Cruz. Trump at his core is just an opportunist. He will get in, make a few changes, put on a show, then kick back. He isn't a true believe like Cruz is. A Trump presidency in the end is survivable. If it was Cruz as president then I would be chilled to the very core of my being. Just time to ride the wave for a few years and prepare for the next election.


Oh, full disclosure. I'm a Libertarian and voted for Gary Johnson. Come at me.

 

[TheStruggler]

Trump got 20% of the minority vote and won. Not to mention he didn't get the popular vote. What do you think happened?

In all honesty I didnt follow the presidential election much being Canadian, I followed it during the debates and was sure Hilary had it locked down. That is why i am asking, what is the state of America and its opinion on what went wrong.

 

[Nafai1123]

Wake up this morning hoping it was all a nightmare.

Fuck this country, and fuck Donald Trump.

 

[The Elite]

how does anyone know what is going to happen? Obama made a bunch of claims that he never fulfilled.

Last night proved no one knows what the fuck is going to happen next.

 

[Suburban Thug]

you can be a bigot and vote for Hillary as well, this race stuff has to stop, maybe you think that is why Trump won? people just tired of the status quo, even 12 % and 29 % of black and hispanic went to Trump are you saying they are bigots?

This is deflecting. The vast majority of bigots aren't voting Clinton. Not saying liberals are immune from bigotry, just that it thrives on the right and is part of their national platform.

 

[ClosingADoor]

One thing I hope to see happen (and derail any potential future witch trials in Congress) would be for President Obama to formerly pardon Hillary Clinton for any potential crimes committed while Secretary of State in the same way that Ford pardoned Nixon.

I realize this would be controversial and potentially red meat for this newly activated right leaning base of the the electorate. However, if anything done while SoS was off the table, the FBI and the Congress would have nothing pertinent left to investigate. In the short term Obama's popularity would take a hit, but, really what does he care. He is out the door.

What does pardoning Clinton for anything do? She's not the previous president, nor is she running again.

 

[Apathy]

Places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida can go fuck themselves for this. Idiots you're not getting your jobs back, and we're all going to suffer cause you believe the lies and rhetoric of a demagogue. Your going to be worse off in 4 years and you deserve it for what you've done.

 

[Trey]

Liberal politicians around the world quickly need to come up with a message that resonates with the victims of globalisation. Both Trump and the Brexit brigade were able to fuse nostalgia, xenophobia and jingoism in a way that excited people who felt left behind by the modern world and yearned for the "glory days".

We are seeing former industrial heartlands in the UK and US turning to extreme-right candidates because they don't feel like anyone else gives a shit about them. Of course they are deluding themselves but it's damning that nobody has found an argument that works against it. What can candidates like Hillary Clinton say to people who have seen their livelihoods destroyed by the demise of traditional domestic industry? How can she appeal to those who are irritated by social progressivism? Just what can she offer them that will improve their lives? All she could do was call these people deplorable and say their jobs were never coming back, but the truth hurts, and people aren't going to vote for someone that hurls sand in their eyes and tells them to get with the times.

the argument is the truth, and that is jobs are scarce, corporations are extremely powerful and have way too much leverage, and the wage gap is widening at an untenable rate.

but that doesn't make for a sexy campaign slogan. people want days of yore that are long gone in eras with much higher taxes and much less competition.

 

[mullet2000]

I think "If you voted for Trump, you enabled bigotry" is accurate. People who voted for Trump decided they were ok with racism and sexism if they got what they want.

I do agree though, the situation is a lot more complex and needs to be treated as such. The only way to come back from this is to understand the underlying reasons for a Trump vote and counter it with an improved candidate and campaign.

Yes, that is a much more accurate statement in my book.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Many people disagreed with Hilary and her camp's policies, many people saw the options in front of them as nothing but a coin flip between two terrible sets of ideals and decided to protest by attempting to shake the system, and so on...

Not everyone who voted Trump agrees with his personal ideals, and not every vote for Trump was a vote to support a bigoted view.

Did these people make intelligent decisions? Who knows, time will tell. There is a possibility that Trump winning will have a positive effect on the political system long-term, and perhaps many saw this as an opportunity.

Again, it's far more complex than you seem to think it is.

If they largely disgreed with Hillary's policies than by extansion they largely disagreed with Bernie's policies.

I don't think this is a policy issue. It's a Fuck DC issue. And for that reason, Bernie would have been better in the general. DNC/primary voters miscalculated the state of the electorate. Had it been a conventional election, then yeah, I think Hillary would have ran away with it. I figured steady and traditional would have contrasted well with "fuck the system."

 

[Kai Ozu]

Still feels absolutely surreal. A reality tv star is the next president

Amarica is unreal, we hire wrestlers as politicians.

 

[turtle553]

At least in 2000 it was more understandable. HIllary barely lost a whole bunch of states and got fucked in the Electoral College

She didn't get fucked. She had a huge electoral advantage built in and just was not a good candidate. She lost every swing state except for Virginia because of the NOVA DC crowd.

 

[onadesertedisland]

I can just imagine the atmosphere in the room where he has to debrief Trump on stuff

Sadly, I think Trump will get it better than GWB. Trump's an asshole, not an imbecile.

 

[Cheesehead9099]

you can be a bigot and vote for Hillary as well, this race stuff has to stop, maybe you think that is why Trump won? people just tired of the status quo, even 12 % and 29 % of black and hispanic went to Trump are you saying they are bigots?

I didn't deny that you can be a bigot and vote for Hillary as well. That is true.

I also said nothing about race - if black people and hispanics voted for Trump, I believe those people are ignorant and yes can be bigoted. I am a POC if that changes anything.

The whole protest vote thing, I don't really think changes my point. It's as simple as this - if you support an openly racist and sexist candidate, you are complicit with his views. This makes you, on some level, a bigot.

There are definitely some Trump voters who aren't bigoted in the traditional sense, but I will stand by the fact that there is an element of arrogance, idiocy, and yes, bigotry, in every Trump voter. Maybe a better way to put it as someone did above - you ENABLED bigotry and racism by voting for trump; you said it was okay with you. I think that is almost as bad as being a bigot yourself.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

America made someone president who doesn't believe Barack Obama is American.

Also a climate change denier.

And a VP who believes in torturing the gay out of children, and punishing women for having miscarriages or abortions.

 

[The Wraith]

You're not wrong at all. Who knew demonizing Trump supporters (with their thin skin) actually emboldened them to go out and vote.

We as minorities lose either way: stay quiet or stand up for ourselves.

America showed its true colors last night, and I wrongly assumed the average American was better than this.

Based on her winning the popular vote I say the average American is fine. A lot of the old racist white people will die out eventually and with that progress will take place. Let them take the day but eventually decency will win out. It just takes time.

 

[TimeEffect]

So do Latinos who voted Trump hate illegal immigrants too? Do they care about the promise of jobs?

 

[Xun]

how does anyone know what is going to happen? Obama made a bunch of claims that he never fulfilled.

Perhaps because he wasn't allowed to fulfil many of them?

 

[synchronicity]

So disappointing.

It's not the shock, it's not the man himself, it's not the pending undoing of positive social/cultural/political progress, despite how hard those things hit.

The real blow for me is the mirror it holds up to the citizens of America, to my neighbors, to us. What are we? We can't really be this, can we?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I mean, you literally are giving zero substance to your point. The entire reason we are asking you to explain is because we obviously don't see the point, otherwise we wouldn't be asking you to explain.

I don't get why you're not a bigot if you vote for Trump.

This is one of those things where I personally find myself not really knowing what to say. I think of myself as pretty liberal and think that Donald Trump is a morally repugnant human being. The results last night were very depressing to me. But having said that, I've long been a bit uncomfortable with the rhetoric that seeks to throw all Trump voters into the basket of deplorables. And it's not necssarily that I disagree with what people are saying about what a vote for Trump truly stands for. But part of it -- and I want to note that this is not self praise as I'm not saying that this is a good quality -- is just that I always try to be more pragmatic and diplomatic than I am passionate. And as such I've never really found this type of talk very productive.

I'm not saying that the people who engage in it are wrong. I'm just saying that I've always kind of been one to take a step back and try and not throw the baby out with the bathwater. While it's tempting and even arguably correct to surmise that racists won and call it a day, I personally think it's a tad more productive to consider that things are just a bit more complicated than just labeling roughly half the country irredeemably reprehensible and calling it a day.

Mind you, I'm just kind of rambling here. I haven't really formulated a cogent thought about just what the hell happened here.

 

[pringles]

how does anyone know what is going to happen? Obama made a bunch of claims that he never fulfilled.

Obama had less power than Trump will have. Obama would have done way more if he wasn't fighting an uphill battle on literally everything.

Trump won't do everything he has said. Some of it is literally impossible. But if he accomplishes 1% of what he ran for president on it'll be horrible for america and the world.

 

[Seik]

Also a climate change denier.

And a VP who believes in torturing the gay out of children, and punishing women for having miscarriages or abortions.

They can't make the bolded happen, right?

I mean, I'm not gay nor a woman, but I'm legit terrified for them.

 

[kms_md]

What does pardoning Clinton for anything do? She's not the previous president, nor is she running again.

To prevent both the Republican controlled House and Senate from having more investigations and witch trials. It puts the entire email and Clinton Foundation drama to bed for good.