Raven117
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Okay Time travel Gaf.....
Which one of you stepped on a butterfly?
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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States
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They can't make the bolded happen, right?
I mean, I'm not gay nor a woman, but I'm legit terrified for them.
They can. The republicans run senate, house, and presidency plus will pick a Supreme Court justice...
Steve Youngblood
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It's important to consider that Latino demographics are probably more complicated than many assume.
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Very good post. Thank you for it.
Cheesehead9099
Neo Member
I totally agree that it's important to consider all the nuances of what actually happened if we want to have any sort of productive conversation.
But on a basic level, I will stand by the idea that if you support a bigot, you are complicit with his views and okay with them, and that in some ways is almost as bad as championing the racism/sexism/etc yourself.
PanicFreak
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There is one thing about Trump's platform that I'm intrigued in. I've been telling anyone who would listen that we should be upgrading our infrastructure and he spoke to that last night. I just don't know if he will receive support from his own party to act on that promise. He'll have to reach across the aisle to get that done. I'm not sure how he'll be able to.
However, I'm very concerned about the composition of the Supreme Court, the fact that he has zero experience related to foreign policy, and his xenophobic and racist remarks leading up to the election.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in my country for the outcome of this election. I feel like we've elected a fascist to our nation's highest office. .
However, I'm very concerned about the composition of the Supreme Court, the fact that he has zero experience related to foreign policy, and his xenophobic and racist remarks leading up to the election.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in my country for the outcome of this election. I feel like we've elected a fascist to our nation's highest office. .
Little Monser
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Kanye 2020 says hi next
Those are the "Fuck you got mine" Latinos. All they care about is looking white to white people.
VistraNorrez
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It's a mix of both those things and many more.
Nationalism was a huge part of Trump's platform. It's bigotry no matter how you cut it and it appealed to many people. The whole "Make America Great Again", is something that largely appeals to white voters. That doesn't mean white people were being overtly prejudiced, but it is certainly part of the subtext. They trusted an old white business (the establishment, truly) because he represented an old way of life that saw white people at the top and living large. If society is going to be more equal, white men are going to lose power and it's a pretty easy thing to go and blame minorities and women for those problems. It doesn't mean any of those people can't the company and friendship of individual minorities or women, but they have no problem generalizing them either. It's all "locker room talk" after all. It also doesn't mean minorities and women couldn't also see the appeal of Trump's rhetoric. The culture they might have extolled those virtues and they felt they fit in the world. Many probably were accepted into it.
We can understand why the white vote turned out the way it did and not condone it anyway. Liberals have to be willing to do the work to make sure prejudice of all kinds is squashed. For some it will require a smile. For others it will require demands, laws and unfortunately force. The battle has gotten much tougher, it has been set back, but let's not forget we did have 8 years of Obama. There was progress, there will be more.
Obama was prevented from doing those things by the most hostile and restrictive congress in modern history. They even blocked a Supreme Court appointment, and an extremely moderate one at that, for almost a full year. Something never done before.
Trump has a GOP Congress, a GOP Senate and and will appoint a right wing Supreme court justice. Almost all the 'changes' that are going to happen, are going to be very conservative in action. Climate change, universal health care, immigration, foreign policy, are all about to take a very hard right turn.
Latinos who voted for Trump have the "Don't care, I got mine" mentality.
We aren't a united group, for example Cubans/Colombians dislike Mexicans/Salvadorians with a passion.
clevbrowns94
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Fucking worst feeling I have felt about world or political events since 9/11, and that was a one time event versus four to eight years of potential hell for our country. I feel about the same about seeing the Iraq War unfold and become a disaster. Except the sinking feeling is worse because we could have only stopped the Iraq War indirectly by not voting for Bush, and he certainly didn't run as a war President, but we directly put Trump in office and that is such a horrible thing for everyone.
Pai Pai Master
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They can't make the bolded happen, right?
I mean, I'm not gay nor a woman, but I'm legit terrified for them.
Highly doubtful, I really don't think there are enough republicans in power who actually believe that would be morally or politically okay, as poorly as I think of most of them. But it is still disgusting to me that someone who holds such views was elected to the second highest office in the country.
But they have the power to try and make these kind of horrible positions into law should they so choose to be a massive disappointment to humanity.
Suburban Thug
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Trump is both. He thinks he knows more about ISIS than American generals. He thinks putting more nukes in Asia is a good idea. He wants to abandon our allies unless they pay up. How is he not an imbecile?
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Is the Trump rape case still going to happen?
Voting trump meant you don't care about the racial and sexual insensitivity. It doesn't mean you actively partake in it
GAF easily calls trump voters bigots because they just can't handle the opposite opinion. It's similar to militant atheists talking about religion. Instead of actively engaging conversation it often boils down to getting on a high horse and talking down to everyone from a position of superiority.
It may be alarming that most of America wasn't freaking out over sexism and racism, but I'm kind of glad gaf can see this wake up call. It's been too big of a circle jerk for too long
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The best you can hope to be as a Trump supporter is someone very gullible and/or desperate, who may not be bigoted yourself but is not particularly bothered by bigotry either. This comfortable encompasses a large portion of the population and helps explain why he got so much support.
Nope, they cut her a fat check to make her go away.
The Trump University case is still going to happen but he will be pardoned.
Totally agree. It doesn't help to shut down the conversation as soon as it starts.
OriginofHysteria
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Well I'd like to think Trump won, not because people are bigots and wanted him, but that they truly wanted change in the political spectrum. If you look at it on a micro level, Hillary lost two states that Obama won twice in his election years. If you want to look at it even closer, predominantly major blue counties either switched to Trump or were very close compared to previous years. People were just on board with 'drain the swamp' and the racist spews just happened to be part of the package.
ptuck874
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again ronald reagan, people couldn't believe it when he won as well, I was 6 watching the election coverage that night crying becuae Carter lost, later on as I grew up, I understood why. In the future you guys might grow up some and understand it as well....
Come on dude, we would be all frozen over/ heated to death by this year from the Climate change dudes saying, again same with population control, climate change does have some effect but the world will accomodate. THe nuclear weapon thing, dude he aint crazy that aint going to happen. and illegals? dude they are illegals, but i doubt they will be able to really get all of them, maybe just catch up and deport those in que that should be gone anyway? idk it will be as bad as people say...
onadesertedisland
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I think the recent ballooning of costs from the ACA have something to do with the late Trump surge. Regardless of politics, most people vote with their pocketbook. We're all about to get hit with higher insurance costs, which we were told we would not. And Trump spits out that he will get rid of the ACA? Well there you go, a fence sitter with an increased insurance bill just decided.
It's more complicated than any of those simple answers. It seems to have been a combination of things.
People sick of the Clinton machine which arguably galvanized Trump supporters to vote; And all the DNC/Clinton shit that went down maybe left some Democrats feeling disenfranchised, so they stayed home.
Racists definitely voted for Trump, but like some people in this thread have been trying to say, that answer doesn't fit for everything and we risk overlooking the entire picture by boiling it down to something so simple. Something else went on here besides just racists turning out in good numbers.
I think it's time to reshape our party and get rid of the dinosaurs at the top. We need our own Tea Party movement that is basically a more extreme version of what the Democrats are now that people can get excited about again.
Getting crushed by Obama forced the GOP to change (for better or worse) and it excited their base. We need something similar. Our base stayed home yesterday cause they weren't excited. With them voting, we would have won.
Cheesehead9099
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I won't disagree with you here. I personally don't see a big difference between not caring about racism/sexism and being racist/sexist yourself - there is a difference, yes, but it's just levels, and so on some level you're still ignorant in my view.
It is alarming how much of America doesn't care about racism or sexism as actual issues.
Are you serious?
More_Badass
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True. It's not an either-or thing. You can't vote only for the aspects you like about a candidate. The good comes with the bad. Even if you don't believe in sexist, racist, xenophobic ideals, your vote supports them
SuperGamer
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Even Kanye West would be a better president than Donald Trump...
President West in the West House, 2020!
onadesertedisland
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Been saying this for years now. I hoped the Berniecrats or Occupy would morph into this. I think it needs a charismatic leader.
I really really hope this doesn't lead the dems to go tea party. The tea party needs to die and never be allowed in politics again, it should not be emulated.
There's a certain amount of rationalization that comes with being a Trump supporter. They make leaps of logic as to why the things Trump has said are not racist. In either case, if you just go straight to the race issue, you won't get to the economic reason they're voting for Trump and have no chance of convincing to change their vote.
There's a certain amount of rationalization that comes with being a Trump supporter. They make leaps of logic as to why the things Trump has said are not racist. In either case, if you just go straight to the race issue, you won't get to the economic reason they're voting for Trump and have no chance of convincing to change their vote.
GOP has all three branches of government. You can say bye to a progressive court for 20 years minimum.
paperboywriter
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btw, even without florida, he would have won if the current states that are not yet confrimed stay the way they are. by 20 electoral votes.
VistraNorrez
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You act like it would be easy to engage in conversation. It isn't. We are very comfortable in digging our heels into positions. There's a reason Civil Rights were a hard fought battle, and why the emotions from that still resonate today.
gamerMan
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This election reminded us how little has changed since civil rights legislation and women were allowed to vote. While the laws have given anybody the right to achieve greatness in America, the majority of people haven't changed. There are a ton of uneducated white people in this country that have spoken that they want America to throw out Muslims, think it's okay to disrespect women, and build a wall. I just hope that the laws will keep us safe, because I have lost faith in the people.
GitarooMan
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Dana Bash changed from a white to a black outfit. I feel the pain. She could barely speak the words last night that Clinton called to concede
Monster Zero
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Crow eating threads are getting locked quick, no doubt in my mind that those threads would be open if Trump had lost, has GAF learned anything from this?
RinBestFate
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I still cannot believe it. The first meme president
Gergen's pretty somber too.
Nah, they'd get locked either way. Mods are pretty strict about not allow superfluous threads.
Mighty Chin
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Back to Reality.
Oh Shit
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The US was pretty divided on slavery and then civil rights for over a century. It may take until 2050 or longer to get to a true acceptance of equality and diversity by the overwhelming majority of the US population.
My feeling is that Trump is more a symptom of pent-up anger at the "establishment" rather than all his supporters exhibiting bigotry.
Mechanized
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So about those tax returns. Think we'll ever see them now?
Why is everybody looking at me?
They can't make the bolded happen, right?
I mean, I'm not gay nor a woman, but I'm legit terrified for them.
They kind of could. Depending on how many Supreme Court Judges leave during Trump's reign. Alternatively they could increase the number of judges and appoint all yes men.
I'm as brown as any person who is of Mexican decent but my birth certificate says I'm white. So during the census, I put that I was white.
Claps for you and this post.
LiquidSword
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My hearts beating out of my chest and I just puked. Physically ill
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