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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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The tone police in this thread are maddening "they won, stop being mean to them!"

This shit has real consequences. Trump winning doesn't suddenly turn him into a butterfly.
 
guek said:
the more I think about it, the more pissed off I get at Comey

Fucking Comey

motherfucking asshole shitstain Comey
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Honestly, at the rate this went last night, its clear people had their minds made up long before Comey became involved again. And don't be angry at Comey, be angry at Weiner for taking advantage of his abuse of power. Or Clinton for not making with absolute certainty that her bases were covered on her private server (I know, I know.....).

There's a lot of blame that can go around here, but honestly, this was such a layup for the Dems. I cannot fucking believe they could not sway more independents.
 
Thus the people have spoken....

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This. The media fucked this up so badly and there's no reason that they'll stop fucking up.
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Exactly. There are other factors at play during this election you can argue that affected the results but the media only caring for profits and ratings and not actual content was a big fail.

I never heard any of Clinton's in depth policies discussed in depth. At best maybe for a hour then on to the next Trump rally.

Maybe that was Trump's strategy all a long. To give campaign speech every day so that all the media networks would play it over and over and over and nothing else would be discussed.
 
Euphor!a said:
Again, you, like 95% of PoliGAF, are operating under the assumption that everyone that voted for Trump is racist and sexist and you don't care beyond that. The problem is that is wildly ignorant, to think that a democratic nominee couldn't have salvaged some votes by not calling everyone on the fence and on the other side racist and sexist is just absurd.
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Sorry, I'm not gonna mince words and pretend people aren't being racist and sexist by voting for an active racist and sexist fuckwad. If you think "I'm part of the problem", you're the one who's part of the problem by normalizing his shit behavior and the behavior of the voters.

Steve Youngblood said:
The issue is just that this election tosses out some assumptions that we've had after the last two elections. There was a strong belief that the coalition that elected Bush twice had sufficiently eradicated as demographics continued to change. Trump defied all the sober analysis we saw after Romney's defeat and doubled down on a strategy that establishment Republicans didn't think would work. He won not only key battleground states, but also several states he wasn't expected to win.

Where I attack the problem from is pretend for a second that you're not a passionate voter but instead a Democratic strategist. What's the best move here going forward? Shame them for electing the guy they wanted and hope they'll see things our way in the next election or try to understand just how this happened and figure out a way to win some of these people back?

I get that there's an alternative theory here that in an election where fewer people cast votes that it can be argued that the problem isn't Obama voters voting Trump, but just that fewer Romney voters stayed home this year relative to Obama voters. Maybe you don't need the racist Trump vote. But are we sure about that?
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The strategy is to win back the vote that Clinton lost. And to overhaul the polling efforts from ground up so that they actually tell us what is happening rather than what we want to hear. Had the polls actually been accurately reflecting the likelihood of Trump's win, the Clinton campaign wouldn't have passed over presumed "safe" states that were actually at play. We went to a war with astonishingly bad intel. It really has nothing to do with the racist pro-Trump vote.
 
mackaveli said:
Exactly. There are other factors at play during this election you can argue that affected the results but the media only caring for profits and ratings and not actual content was a big fail.

I never heard any of Clinton's in depth policies discussed in depth. At best maybe for a hour then on to the next Trump rally.

Maybe that was Trump's strategy all a long. To give campaign speech every day so that all the media networks would play it over and over and over and nothing else would be discussed.
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Policies are boring. Mocking a disabled reporter gets the rating!
 
BocoDragon said:
The sad part is that most Trump voters made up their minds long before Comey, "grab them by the P", etc.

He had them at "wall". He had them at "ban on Muslim immigration".
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BFIB said:
Honestly, at the rate this went last night, its clear people had their minds made up long before Comey became involved again. And don't be angry at Comey, be angry at Weiner for taking advantage of his abuse of power. Or Clinton for not making with absolute certainty that her bases were covered on her private server (I know, I know.....).

There's a lot of blame that can go around here, but honestly, this was such a layup for the Dems. I cannot fucking believe they could not sway more independents.
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I believe Comey suppressed the Clinton vote more than it bolstered the Trump vote. In the end, that's what tipped the scales.
 
Steel said:
I haven't slept for greater than 24 hours. I'm still thinking to myself "Did that just happen?"

Maybe when I finally go to sleep I'll wake up in true reality.
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Get some sleep. Your dreaming will surely be better than this.
 
guek said:
the more I think about it, the more pissed off I get at Comey

Fucking Comey

motherfucking asshole shitstain Comey
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Sure, but really....looking at that electoral map...I don't think Comey's letter had much to do with it.

Trump preached to the blue collar white American in the South and the Rust belt...those who have felt marginalized...and won.

Edit: That said...he may have served to suppress the Clinton vote, but again...did that matter in North Carolina? Wisconsin?
 
EatinOlives said:
Sorry, I'm not gonna mince words and pretend people aren't being racist and sexist by voting for an active racist and sexist fuckwad. If you think "I'm part of the problem", you're the one who's part of the problem by normalizing his shit behavior and the behavior of the voters.
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Unfortunately, he has a lot of voters. Ones that politicians need to win elections.

Ideological purity only takes you so far.
 
EatinOlives said:
Sorry, I'm not gonna mince words and pretend people aren't being racist and sexist by voting for an active racist and sexist fuckwad. If you think "I'm part of the problem", you're the one who's part of the problem by normalizing his shit behavior and the behavior of the voters.
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Do what you want, you are your own downfall.
 
BocoDragon said:
Get some sleep. Your dreaming will surely be better than this.
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Not in a position to sleep, atm. Missed my chance.

Future said:
More than half the country is celebrating.

You are in a bubble
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That'd be in impossible. More of the country voted for Hillary. And even then only 50% of the country voted at all. So it's only possible that 25% of the country is happy with this. And even then a good portion of that 25% were thinking "Lesser of two evils". This is only a good day to rabid Trump fans. If that's you, congrats. Hope you're still smiling 4 years from now. I doubt you will be.
 
Steve Youngblood said:
The issue is just that this election tosses out some assumptions that we've had after the last two elections. There was a strong belief that the coalition that elected Bush twice had sufficiently eradicated as demographics continued to change. Trump defied all the sober analysis we saw after Romney's defeat and doubled down on a strategy that establishment Republicans didn't think would work. He won not only key battleground states, but also several states he wasn't expected to win.

Where I attack the problem from is pretend for a second that you're not a passionate voter but instead a Democratic strategist. What's the best move here going forward? Shame them for electing the guy they wanted and hope they'll see things our way in the next election or try to understand just how this happened and figure out a way to win some of these people back?
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Just wait for the economy to go in the tank. People have forgotten 2008 already, and gone back to taking a stable economy and $2 gas for granted.
 
EatinOlives said:
Sorry, I'm not gonna mince words and pretend people aren't being racist and sexist by voting for an active racist and sexist fuckwad. If you think "I'm part of the problem", you're the one who's part of the problem by normalizing his shit behavior and the behavior of the voters.
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Agreed.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Donald Trump's entire campaign was built around antagonizing comments and it didn't drive his supporters away (or indeed turn out a coalition against him). Fox News and far right wing media like Drudge and Breitbart don't take the tone of "let's educate liberals so they can see things from our perspective." Why is it just on the left to treat the opposition like special snowflakes while the right is calling for Hillary to be thrown in jail and trying to ban brown-skinned people from entering the country? There is a giant rift in this country and it's not going to be solved if one side tries to acquiesce while the other maintains an extreme level of vitriol. The solution is probably not greater vitriol on both sides, obviously, but every other time our country has been as divided as this, it's taken an external factor (war or recession) to get us to move beyond our differences and identify as countrymen again. The answer can't just be "liberals were too mean."
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But the thing is you should not be trying to convince people on the far right who get all their news from Fox and like it that way, they are not going to change no matter what the hell you do. If you want the elections to go your way, you need to educate and convince the people who are on the fence.

Some person who is like maybe thinking about voting Trump but still not real sure it is the best option is not going to just vote Clinton because you yelled at them or tried to shame them into voting the way you want them to vote. They will more likely end up Trump just because you fucking annoyed or insulted them and now they associate your candidate with those kinds of tactics.
 
The Kree said:
We weren't nice enough to bigoted assholes and those who are indifferent to the plight of others not like them at birth.

Compelling argument.
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I'm not pleased with Trump's defeating Hillary, but in essence, yes. That blanket "you are what you associate yourself with" mentality is ignorant.

Attacking people's character clearly didn't win the election. And everyone was so focused on character issues that no one thought they needed to press Trump on policy issues because his character would sink the ship. That obviously didn't happen. And now we've got someone on his way to the White House with a number of described policies I can count on one hand.
 
mackattk said:
I almost feel like Trump is just going to be the face of the President, but Pence will be doing all the groundwork and laws, etc.
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The rumor was that when his son offered the VP job he said the VP would be the one in charge of domestic and foreign policy. I also wonder if Pence will be the one calling the shots (which might be slightly less bad).
 
mackaveli said:
I never heard any of Clinton's in depth policies discussed in depth. At best maybe for a hour then on to the next Trump rally.
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Well, I mean, part of the problem here is that I think Clinton actually preferred this though. The strategy for her was very much one of making the case that Trump wasn't fit to serve and then watching him trip over himself time and time again. And based on polling data, at least for most of October (notably after the Access Hollywood tape), it seemed like a brilliant strategy. Really, neither candidate did particularly well this entire election being in the spotlight and highlighting their own strengths.
 
jiiikoo said:
In Finland there's always hundreds of votes for Donald Duck and a lot of other silly votes. This is in a country of 5 million people. In the last parliament elections there were about 14,500 votes rejected because of these silly votes.
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That makes a much bigger statement on political beliefs than just mass apathy. Doing nothing means nothing. Voting for a Duck or spoiling the ballot is a voice. Not voting isn't a statement, it's just apathy.
 
guek said:
I believe Comey suppressed the Clinton vote more than it bolstered the Trump vote. In the end, that's what tipped the scales.
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There was a lot that went red as opposed to Blue in the prior 2 elections. Once the GOP built that facade of Hillary, I honestly think this wasn't close then. The polls were all wrong, its 2000 all over again. Comey does need to be held accountable, sure, but he did not single handily lose this. Dems did a lot of damage to themselves for overlooking the fact that, in the end, those who actually voted sat in a booth with no one around and they could put their vote in.

Trump won the majority of those people. Clinton didn't.
 
kribz said:
This picture is not of KKK members celebrating
http://www.snopes.com/klan-marches-celebrate-trump-victory/
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*sigh*

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Yet again social media strikes with the masses never ever checking anything and simply believing. And people wonder why when a Twitter post with no proof gets questioned? The hard left should probably swiftly start accepting there are genuine reasons to question claims without mass following. But no it's always "assholes asking questions lol".
 
Ugh, GAF, I am a simply bookseller in The Netherlands but I am so utterly depressed right now. I haven't been so depressed since the whole Florida debacle in 2000.

Also I am so extremely afraid and uncertain of the future regarding
- geopolitical consequences
- environmental consequences

Besides that I feel so, so, so sorry for
- minorities in America
- President Obama

What is to become of this, with elections in France and Germany appearing on the horizon?

I should have known this would happen with Trump, just the way in The Netherlands Wilders got an enormous 'curtain bonus' at the voting booths.

Were have solidarity, compassity, intelligence and reason gone to? Why is it so cool to hate on intellect and intelligence now? I don't want to be part of this world.
 
Vibe on my campus felt weird. Definitely a lot of heads down and general election talk. Feels odd, but we still have shit to do.
 
TheChocolateWar said:
Depends on the percentage of that 46% that like Trump.
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That's true. People could argue that Clinton was unlike and that caused Democrats to stay home but it wasn't like Obama or Sanders weren't out there campaigning to vote so why wouldn't they have voted?

You may not like Clinton but you like Sanders / Obama wouldn't that be enough to get you to vote?
 
OrbitalBeard said:
If it makes you feel any better, only five incumbent presidents has lost re-election.

Ok, that probably didn't make you feel any better.

Eight years of Donald J. Trump. Yeah, that might happen.
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Ya at this point I don't see him losing in 4 years unless he tremendously fucks up. Dems have no one right now.
 
mbpm1 said:
Unfortunately, he has a lot of voters. Ones that politicians need to win elections.

Ideological purity only takes you so far.
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No, politicians need accurate polling data through the entire electoral process to win elections. You can't win by reading tea leaves and cracked pottery.

This wasn't unwinnable for Clinton. She lost by not diverting the right resources to the right states, because she was operating on bad intel.

Euphor!a said:
Do what you want, you are your own downfall.
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As are you.
 
So people like that scum in Kentucky that wouldn't issue a marriage license to gay couples will now legally be able to do that for possible decades to come.
More God in our government incoming. Fuck!
 
mackaveli said:
That's true. People could argue that Clinton was unlike and that caused Democrats to stay home but it wasn't like Obama or Sanders weren't out there campaigning to vote so why wouldn't they have voted?

You may not like Clinton but you like Sanders / Obama wouldn't that be enough to get you to vote?
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Motivating the electorate is a very difficult thing to do, and there are sociologists everywhere trying to figure out how to do it. There are many to blame for the lack of voter turn out. Although I am not sure more voter turnout would have helped. Probably? Hard to say. What matters is voter turnout in those electorate zones that went Trump, not just total turnout.
 
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