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[mackaveli]

Well, I mean, part of the problem here is that I think Clinton actually preferred this though. The strategy for her was very much one of making the case that Trump wasn't fit to serve and then watching him trip over himself time and time again. And based on polling data, at least for most of October (notably after the Access Hollywood tape), it seemed like a brilliant strategy. Really, neither candidate did particularly well this entire election being in the spotlight and highlighting their own strengths.

That could be it. I just wonder what the internal data was showing that Clinton's team had to play run the clock strategy at moments and to try and run up the EV score. Hindsight obviously 20/20 but you would think they would have had good data considering the team they had was the Obama team and others. I wish there was some flags thrown up to prevent the result today but alas we cannot go back.

Hopefully we learn from it.

 

[mbpm1]

No, politicians need accurate polling data through the entire electoral process to win elections. You can't win by reading tea leaves and cracked pottery.

Yeah, what even happened there?

When you are a star you can do anything, they let you do it.

Man, Trump's dumbass statements stick around. Hillary doesn't generate shitty memes like he does.

 

[guek]

There was a lot that went red as opposed to Blue in the prior 2 elections. Once the GOP built that facade of Hillary, I honestly think this wasn't close then. The polls were all wrong, its 2000 all over again. Comey does need to be held accountable, sure, but he did not single handily lose this. Dems did a lot of damage to themselves for overlooking the fact that, in the end, those who actually voted sat in a booth with no one around and they could put their vote in.

Trump won the majority of those people. Clinton didn't.

In the end, it's all conjecture. We have no way of knowing what would have happened if this or that did or didn't happen or if Bernie had ran instead or if Clinton had challenged Trump to a rap battle or whatever. All that's certain is that yes, Trump won the majority of voters in the states that mattered most and that Clinton failed to stop that from happening.

 

[Ether_Snake]

The rumor was that when his son offered the VP job he said the VP would be the one in charge of domestic and foreign policy. I also wonder if Pence will be the one calling the shots (which might be slightly less bad).

People need to stop believing this. Trump doesn't like Pence. His son supposedly said that to Kasich, no one else, and Trump just doesn't want to do the annoying full day work. Pence will be his maid, his secretary, not his adviser nor his policy maker. That will be for those that Trump admires and considers part of his inner circle even outside Washington. Pence will be a weak VP and Trump would love to get rid of him other than to let the Republicans underestimate him by thinking they got their man in the White House.

Trump is probably hoping to find a way to have Pence step down eventually even if it's unlikely to happen.

 

[ColdPizza]

How good is KellyAnne Conway looking now?

She took the most unelectable guy in recent history and made him President Elect.

Do these campaign managers get performance bonuses based on outcome?

 

[Euphor!a]

I'll ask again. Where was Trump in the Republican clown show primaries before racism?

Good call, just ignore every other concern a Trump voter has because they are all racist idiots, what do they know. Oh wait, those idiots won the election. And I'm sure every single solitary one of them was racist and sexist and not a single vote was salvageable because I live in the NeoGAF bubble and all I see when I hear or see Trump is that every single supporter is racist or sexist so that must be the case, they have no other concerns but fuck minorities and fuck women.

 

[entremet]

Yeah, what even happened there?



Man, Trump's dumbass statements stick around. Hillary doesn't generate shitty memes like he does.

There's no silver bullet. Plus shaming Trump supporters only made them hide more.

 

[mrhyderager]

Motivating the electorate is a very difficult thing to do, and there are sociologists everywhere trying to figure out how to do it. There are many to blame for the lack of voter turn out. Although I am not sure more voter turnout would have helped. Probably? Hard to say. What matters is voter turnout in those electorate zones that went Trump, not just total turnout.

Voter turnout historically leads to the Left winning big in elections. I think Election Reform is desperately needed. First step is making Election Day a Federal Holiday and voting compulsory with an opt-out option.

 

[BFIB]

In the end, it's all conjecture. We have no way of knowing what would have happened if this or that did or didn't happen or if Bernie had ran instead or if Clinton had challenged Trump to a rap battle or whatever. All that's certain is that yes, Trump won the majority of voters in the states that mattered most and that Clinton failed to stop that from happening.

Its so fucking sad.

Goddamn this country. I don't think I've ever been this Un-American in my life.

 

[mackaveli]

Motivating the electorate is a very difficult thing to do, and there are sociologists everywhere trying to figure out how to do it. There are many to blame for the lack of voter turn out. Although I am not sure more voter turnout would have helped. Probably? Hard to say. What matters is voter turnout in those electorate zones that went Trump, not just total turnout.

But didn't Clinton lose

Wisconsin by like 20k votes, Michigan by 15k and Pennsylvania by like 50k?

And she won the popular vote by 2 million?

just heartbreaking.

Also Dow Jones going to close at all time highs or near today.

 

[Steel]

But really what happened? Ignoring the dumpster fire of a human being Donald Trump actually is, how the fuck did this happen?

Illegal immigration was LITERALLY at an all time low, and yet people bought the bullshit that it was an issue that needed fixing.

Trade deals were blamed for fucking everything that illegals weren't, but the fact is that removing nafta wouldn't bring back jobs BECAUSE AN AUTOMATED FACTORY IS CHEAPER THAN AN AMERICAN WORKER. The only reason those factories move is because china is cheaper than an automated factory. Removing trade deals at this point would only cause economic harm.

But somehow that idea resonated. I mean.... What the fuck? I know people suck at being informed about politics, but how the hell does this even happen?

 

[Gorillaz]

So I'm curious. Everywhere I'm looking today is doom and gloom.

My family. My co-workers. People on the street. Brief snippets of TV & online media.

Is there ANYONE who is dancing in the streets over these results?

I'm just not seeing it.

I live in VA and work in DC. Maybe I'm in a liberal bubble, but walking to work this morning, all I saw was an eerie silence. Everyone walking with their heads down.

You're gonna think this is hyperbolic, but it's not. The energy and mood was EXACTLY the same as the day after 9-11. I'm not even joking.

Just who exactly is celebrating right now?

I live in ohio


Mid west America would like a word with you.

 

[Garrett 2U]

So I'm curious. Everywhere I'm looking today is doom and gloom.

My family. My co-workers. People on the street. Brief snippets of TV & online media.

Is there ANYONE who is dancing in the streets over these results?

I'm just not seeing it.

I live in VA and work in DC. Maybe I'm in a liberal bubble, but walking to work this morning, all I saw was an eerie silence. Everyone walking with their heads down.

You're gonna think this is hyperbolic, but it's not. The energy and mood was EXACTLY the same as the day after 9-11. I'm not even joking.

Just who exactly is celebrating right now?

The Trump supporters are the rural folks and cities of white blue collar workers.
So unless you live among one of those two classes, you don't see them.

Which is why nobody expected this outcome.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

come the fuck on

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...age-ukip-brexit-post-referendum-a7407951.html

come the fuck on

To the people who told me I should help these understand that I'm human like them, what am I suppose to say to this?

 

[Balphon]

Correct. You are most certainly in a bubble. Clinton decimated Trump in DC, which is par for the course.

I can't seem to find the last time a Republican took DC on election night, but it hasn't happened in the last 56 years at least.

It's never happened.

DC had no electors prior to the passage of the 23rd Amendment in 1961.

 

[Euphor!a]

As are you.

Weird, I didn't vote for Trump. In fact instead of calling the few people I know that were going to vote for Trump racist and sexist I tried to talk to them and convince them that Trump wasn't the best choice for them. Did I convince all of them? No, but I convinced some. Probably more than you have ever done this whole election, hope you are proud of yourself.

 

[JZA]

I'm in California. I voted for Hilary. I did my part.

I just hope he doesn't undo all the social and economic progress we've made this past decade.

Same. I wonder if it'll be better or worse to be living in a solidly blue state in this administration.

 

[BFIB]

But didn't Clinton lose

Wisconsin by like 20k votes, Michigan by 15k and Pennsylvania by like 50k?

And she won the popular vote by 2 million?

just heartbreaking.

Also Dow Jones going to close at all time highs or near today.

Its unreal. And people wonder why so many folks have the mindset that their vote doesn't matter. This is now twice in the past 20 years that a Republican has lost the popular vote, yet won the election. Goes into the belief that your vote really doesn't count in the end.

 

[RoKKeR]

Remember how the market was gonna crash when we elected Trump?

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/796447404656590849

@CNBCnow 6m6 minutes ago
BREAKING: Dow Jones Industrial Average rises above its all-time closing high http://cnb.cx/2fCxCSr

Been super interesting to follow this story. Lots of up and down.

 

[EatinOlives]

Yeah, what even happened there?

I don't know, but a lot of people should lose their jobs after yesterday. We got fed disgusting amounts of punditry disguised as statistical analysis.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

I keep looking over old threads here on NeoGAF and other forums I frequent and it's amazing how many people thought Hillary Clinton winning the presidency was practically a sure thing. For months and months at a time nobody thought Donald Trump had a chance but here we are. It's really one for the record books.

 

[TheChocolateWar]

Its unreal. And people wonder why so many folks have the mindset that their vote doesn't matter. This is now twice in the past 20 years that a Republican has lost the popular vote, yet won the election. Goes into the belief that your vote really doesn't count in the end.

That is the problem with the electoral college. The options suck; either reform the electoral process or move to a swing area.

 

[Septy]

So the Electoral College has given us Rutherford B Hayes, George W Bush and Donald Trump. The supposed advantages of this system really don't seem worth it.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Good call, just ignore every other concern a Trump voter has because they are all racist idiots, what do they know. Oh wait, those idiots won the election. And I'm sure every single solitary one of them was racist and sexist and not a single vote was salvageable because I live in the NeoGAF bubble and all I see when I hear or see Trump is that every single supporter is racist or sexist so that must be the case, they have no other concerns but fuck minorities and fuck women.

So you aren't going to answer the question?

 

[Audioboxer]

But didn't Clinton lose

Wisconsin by like 20k votes, Michigan by 15k and Pennsylvania by like 50k?

And she won the popular vote by 2 million?

just heartbreaking.

Also Dow Jones going to close at all time highs or near today.

This might be me understanding that wrong but

59,680,035 votes (47.7%)
59,479,278 votes (47.5%)

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

If that is what is classed as popular vote, it ain't 2 million. 200k.

 

[samn]

I keep looking over old threads here on NeoGAF and other forums I frequent and it's amazing how many people thought Hillary Clinton winning the presidency was practically a sure thing. For months and months at a time nobody thought Donald Trump had a chance but here we are. It's really one for the record books.

And the analysts who thought Trump had a chance were mocked relentlessly, mostly not with argument but with crude humour.

 

[Steel]

Weird, I didn't vote for Trump. In fact instead of calling the few people I know that were going to vote for Trump racist and sexist I tried to talk to them and convince them that Trump wasn't the best choice for them. Did I convince all of them? No, but I convinced some. Probably more than you have ever done this whole election, hope you are proud of yourself.

I literally convinced every republic I knew who wasn't a rabid tea party supporter to vote Clinton. I agree that calling people out for shit in the first line of a conversation hurts your case. I disagree that you should be a smug asshole about not calling out others instantly, especially in the immediate aftermath of a Donald J. Trump presidency.

 

[x3sphere]

So far Trump has been great for the stock market. Dow just hit an all-time high...

 

[Jonogunn]

I'm going to ask "Where's the wall?" every day of Trump's presidency. I wonder how they'll twist themselves to answer it every day it does not even get close to being done.

"No I never said I would build a wall. I was against walls. "

 

[Soroc]

Remember how the market was gonna crash when we elected Trump?

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/796447404656590849



Been super interesting to follow this story. Lots of up and down.

Not really surprising considering the big dip in the night. It was a fire sale for stocks this morning for people who have money to invest.

It will be quite a roller coaster and volatile though over the next 3 months, after that who knows...

 

[Digital-Hero]

Same. I wonder if it'll be better or worse to be living in a solidly blue state in this administration.

Not how it works.

It's not the "state". It's areas of the state. Washington State is Blue, but you go to Eastern Washington you're greeted crazy amounts of conservatives. Heck, they closed a Neo Nazi training camp years ago near Spokane.

 

[StayDead]

*sigh*

Yet again social media strikes with the masses never ever checking anything and simply believing. And people wonder why when a Twitter post with no proof gets questioned? The hard left should probably swiftly start accepting there are genuine reasons to question claims without mass following. But no it's always "assholes asking questions lol".

Can I stop you here just a second. What planet are we on that hillary supporters are seen as HARD LEFT? Clinton is right wing as well.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

To the people who told me I should help these understand that I'm human like them, what am I suppose to say to this?

I honestly don't know. I mean, I think there's something to the notion of not giving a shit about the alt-right and just saying "fuck 'em." You're not going to win over the basket of deplorables. But what about the basket of not-quite-but-maybe-kinda-deplorables? Maybe there's hope there? Just might need to recalibrate how we think about engaging them.

Or not. I mean who knows? Maybe next go around you win by adequately engaging your base. Maybe demographics continue to shift such that this was the last grand stand of the evangelical/white vote.

 

[EatinOlives]

Weird, I didn't vote for Trump. In fact instead of calling the few people I know that were going to vote for Trump racist and sexist I tried to talk to them and convince them that Trump wasn't the best choice for them. Did I convince all of them? No, but I convinced some. Probably more than you have ever done this whole election, hope you are proud of yourself.

Nope, I didn't call you a Trump voter.

You sure are making a lot of assumptions for someone who pretends to be open minded. You really are no better than the people you're trying to criticize.

Read my other posts. The real reason Clinton lost was terrible polling that constantly gave her, and us, wrong data and bad intel. You're going on a wild goose chase pointing fingers at the wrong group. Level-headed people pointing out racists and sexists for being racist and sexist didn't cost Clinton the election, give me a fucking break.

 

[ZeuzMX]

Welp. As a Mexican currently working in the US, I'll show myself out.

 

[Euphor!a]

So you aren't going to answer the question?

There is nothing to answer, it is a dumb question founded on the false belief that every Trump supporter is racist and sexist.

 

[mackaveli]

This might be me understanding that wrong but

59,680,035 votes (47.7%)
59,479,278 votes (47.5%)

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

If that is what is classed as popular vote, it ain't 2 million. 200k.

Thats not updated. I read from nate Cohn on twitter its more like 63 million to 61 million at the moment and with more votes to be counted.

 

[Soul Beat]

Welp. As a Mexican currently working in the US, I'll show myself out.

Nah, man! You gotta stay and fight with us!

 

[Audioboxer]

Can I stop you here just a second. What planet are we on that hillary supporters are seen as HARD LEFT? Clinton is right wing as well.

That remark is generalised for anyone who is part of the post Twitter as a source without any fact checking or investigating. Not the average Hillary fan.

You either post in such a way from the hard left, or hard right. Usually once such people get corrected as well they lash out at being corrected, instead of admitting they've peddled bullshit claims.

Thats not updated. I read from nate Cohn on twitter its more like 63 million to 61 million at the moment and with more votes to be counted.

Ah okay thanks, that makes sense if it wasn't final.

 

[The Kree]

I'm not pleased with Trump's defeating Hillary, but in essence, yes. That blanket "you are what you associate yourself with" mentality is ignorant.

Attacking people's character clearly didn't win the election. And everyone was so focused on character issues that no one thought they needed to press Trump on policy issues because his character would sink the ship. That obviously didn't happen. And now we've got someone on his way to the White House with a number of described policies I can count on one hand.

I know. Attacking people's character only works when you're not a white man. That's why every unarmed black person who gets shot by police gets blamed for their own murder. That's why rape victims get told they were asking for it.

When you're not a white man, you have to be nice to people who don't deserve it. And that's why this country will forever be garbage. White men can lie and fail and bully and attack and keep winning. Everyone else must be nice.

 

[Steel]

Thats not updated. I read from nate Cohn on twitter its more like 63 million to 61 million at the moment and with more votes to be counted.

It's not 63 million to 61. There were nowhere near that many votes.

 

[Euphor!a]

Nope, I didn't call you a Trump voter.

You sure are making a lot of assumptions for someone who pretends to be open minded. You really are no better than the people you're trying to criticize.

Read my other posts. The real reason Clinton lost was terrible polling that constantly gave her, and us, wrong data and bad intel. You're going on a wild goose chase pointing fingers at the wrong group. Level-headed people pointing out racists and sexists for being racist and sexist didn't cost Clinton the election, give me a fucking break.

Yeah... the "level-headed" people that shouted down people with even the vaguest of anti-Hillary ideology.

 

[mackaveli]

It's not 63 million to 61. There were nowhere near that many votes.

I'm just basing it off this tweet by Nate Cohn.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/796409592708268038

 

[oroboros]

Its unreal. And people wonder why so many folks have the mindset that their vote doesn't matter. This is now twice in the past 20 years that a Republican has lost the popular vote, yet won the election. Goes into the belief that your vote really doesn't count in the end.

Your vote really does matter in some states, in others that are so far red or blue it really doesn't matter at all. Why they should do away with the whole electoral by state system. It does not seem right that really only a handful of states have any real say in the outcome when all is said and done. Electoral vote and popular vote having different results always seems so wrong to me.

 

[BFIB]

And the analysts who thought Trump had a chance were mocked relentlessly, mostly not with argument but with crude humour.

Bill Maher had it perfect last Friday. Michael Moore had it nailed a year ago. Moore said then that the differences between a Trump rally and a Hillary rally were entirely different. You have Trump appeasing to the rust belt states about taxing the ever loving shit out of any Ford not manufactured here in the US. Couple that with Detroit and the surrounding state that is dying a slow death, anything sounds better than "more of the same."

Maher on his show Friday said that this is no longer a laughing matter. That the polls are wrong, this man is dangerous and he is flying under the radar on the average voter that does not read too deeply into the issues.

GOP did this all while being a party in complete disarray. Now those extremists on the party hold the power.

 

[Quote]

Good morning New America

(This is in Philly)

 

[arts&crafts]

Melania is going to be the most awkward first lady.

 

[EatinOlives]

Yeah... the "level-headed" people that shouted down people with even the vaguest of anti-Hillary ideology.

Call it whatever you want, they weren't the deciding factor in the election and you know it. The resources from the Clinton campaign were redirected to the wrong states because of bogus polling data and bad punditry disguised as objective political analysis. That's the real reason why she lost.

 

[Kaako]

Welp. As a Mexican currently working in the US, I'll show myself out.

Fuuuck that. Us minorities gotta unite and fight for our rights every chance we get. God damn if I don't feel down as hell though today, like the freaking life has been completely sucked out of me.

 

[Suburban Thug]

I'm not pleased with Trump's defeating Hillary, but in essence, yes. That blanket "you are what you associate yourself with" mentality is ignorant.

I don't think you could be any more wrong. If you voted Trump it doesn't necessarily mean you are a bigot but it shows you are complicit with his incendiary rhetoric which includes racism, sexism, homophobia and xenophobia. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. It shows they don't have the capability to empathize with those who look or talk different from them. It tells me they don't give a crap about the plight of minorities and women.