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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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RPGCrazied said:
I hope it stays that way. I hope just cause Chump got elected isn't going to give them free reign here.
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Lol

What are you even talking about? Now that Trump is president, NeoGaf will suddenly allow right wing hate speech? Sounds legit.

The concern trolling is getting out of hand.
 
Green Yoshi said:
A little late. Students that protested against the Vietnam war and for other important matters didn't need "safe zones".

Who were the students protests as people got shot by policemen just because of the skin of their color? Too busy fighting for transgender bathrooms?
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I don't know where planet you come from, but high school kids don't usually go protest police brutality because, well, they are in fucking high school.
 
backslashbunny said:
Not for long ya won't.
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I don't see the stock market really hitting the fan until half a year to a year into a Trump presidency. Unless he manages to strike down trade deals before that.

There will be a boom after he lowers taxes, then it will sink in that the debt is literally imploding.
 
Green Yoshi said:
A little late. Students that protested against the Vietnam war and for other important matters didn't need "safe zones".

Who were the students protests as people got shot by policemen just because of the skin of their color? Too busy fighting for transgender bathrooms?
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This isn't the oppression Olympics
 
samn said:
I do remember looking at the Hillary logo and thinking ... uh is that it? And then again when I saw the slogans. I actually wasn't sure if it they were slogans when I saw them. Then again when I saw her pick for vice president.
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The "It's HER turn" slogan really turned me off from the get go. Felt extremely entitled.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
I feel like we need clarification here between what is middle class and what is working class.


People shouldn't protest. An election was held Trump won fair and square. If you wanted to protest you should have protested earlier.
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If they feel like their voice needs to be heard, they should absolutely go protest.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
It's not just Twitter shit, it spilled over into the real world. And even if it were limited to the internet, it's idiotic to propose that just because something is said on the internet that it doesn't carry weight. Especially if it's something you're bludgeoned with over and over by a bunch of different people.

If you were undecided and are constantly bombarded with people essentially calling you a scumbag because you aren't wholly on their side you're probably eventually going to side up with the group of people who aren't going out of their way to call you a dickhead. Even if you think the people you're grouping with are assholes too.

Shit, I'm liberal, voted for Hillary and still got insulted because I don't agree with 100% of what Democrats have had to say in the past few years. And I know for a fact that I'm not even close to being the one who has gotten the brunt of that attitude around here. It's become a "You're either fully with us or you're fully against us." to A LOT of people. It's not remotely surprising that people who leaned more to the center were put off by that mentality and sided with the other guy.

This doesn't even get into how fucking hard Hillary supporters turned on Sanders supporters. They openly insulted people in their own fucking corner because they dared to say that the person picked might not be the right person for the job.

I'm not saying these attitudes are 100% the reason this election turned out the way it did. There were way more factors. But you seriously have your head in the sand if you think the attitudes of Democrats didn't push at least a noticeable amount of people away. They picked an unimpressive candidate and then many of them openly insulted people who didn't like her.
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So you're placing your major premise that Hillary et al were mean and pushed independents to Trump but literally nothing Trump did or said about any group swayed people away? So basically Republicans do your toxic hate shit cause it works, Democrats avoid because it is mean?

I'm willing ti accept that hypthesis but damn if it doesn't basically highlight how fucking absurd thebdouble standard is. And damn some people take gaf too seriously this place is not reflective of the actual voting demographic.
 
The Beard said:
The Middle Class has 401k's.
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Wow! Guess what, anyone can buy mutual funds.

Companies barely match contributions anymore, and if they do its tiny.

And even though its pretax, you get taxed on it when you withdraw it.

So really its just a savings account with more risk/reward that gets taken out of your paycheck for you.


Although I am firmly lower middle class, I am incredibly incredibly lucky to have a pension.
 
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Glix said:
Wow! Guess what, anyone can buy mutual funds.

Companies barely match contributions anymore, and if they do its tiny.

And even though its pretax, you get taxed on it when you withdraw it.

So really its just a savings account with more risk/reward that gets taken out of your paycheck for you.


Although I am firmly lower middle class, I am incredibly incredibly lucky to have a pension.
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Wow! Cool, dude.
 
a lot of people are discounting the internet and social media side of things, calling it "twitter shit" etc.

social media has become deeply entrenched in our culture extremely fast. i think some people are not giving it enough credit. if trump didn't use twitter the way he did, he probably would not have done nearly as well.

acting like "internet stuff" and "twitter shit" has no impact on anything seems kind of imperceptive to me
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
I feel like we need clarification here between what is middle class and what is working class.


People shouldn't protest. An election was held Trump won fair and square. If you wanted to protest you should have protested earlier.
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Why not? If we found a tape of Obama speaking shit to minorities, denying climate change and making a joke about sexual assault id fully expect people would protest that. This is no different. This man shouldn't be the president. At this point it's incredibly important to stand up against him and his shit stained party members, if not for the minorities for the future of the environment
 
samn said:
I do remember looking at the Hillary logo and thinking ... uh is that it? And then again when I saw the slogans. I actually wasn't sure if it they were slogans when I saw them. Then again when I saw her pick for vice president.
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She treated her campaign like she was treated as an inevitable thing. You could see the hypocrisy in how she was treated even around here and even still. When Romney made his 47% comment it was as if he had just murdered 1000 cats and dogs the outrage it caused. Hillary's deplorable comment was of the same caliber and it was she's right fuck them.

You do not insult a large chunk of the voting block even if what you say is true. Romney wasn't lying in his statement either that 47% was never going to vote for him. She was put into a bubble and everyone was happy to pretend the bubble was all that mattered. Trump went to the Rustbelt and said I will give you jobs. Hillary went to the Rustbelt and said I will end what jobs remain.

You have to be stupid to think Hillary was going to win people over with that
 
samn said:
I do remember looking at the Hillary logo and thinking ... uh is that it? And then again when I saw the slogans. I actually wasn't sure if it they were slogans when I saw them. Then again when I saw her pick for vice president.
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Tim Kaine was the lamest wet-noodle running mate she could've picked.
 
Game Analyst said:
I think the following quote is full of wisdom.
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While I agree with the sentiment that we should be gracious in our loss and hope democracy works for all of us for the foreseeable future, I don't agree with the sentiment that Donald Trump was fairly elected because he listened. He took advantage of people who were disenfranchised and angry about their situation, who had legitimate grievances with the failures of our modern government.

He acknowledged them yes, but I believe he won because he simply fed them the lies they wanted to hear. He took advantage of them like he takes advantage of many people who can provide him with power and success. When he fails to return the coal and steel jobs that are never coming back en masse to middle-America they will see they were swindled like many others who put their faith in Donald Trump.

We can only hope at this point that Trump, who built a successful campaign on lies and hate-mongering, uses that success to do legitimate good for the people. But we do not need to pretend he won the election based on already proving himself to be a trustworthy ally to the under-represented Americans that helped him win. He still has to prove himself and I will never give that man my unbridled faith as long as I live.
 
antonz said:
She treated her campaign like she was treated as an inevitable thing. You could see the hypocrisy in how she was treated even around here and even still. When Romney made his 47% comment it was as if he had just murdered 1000 cats and dogs the outrage it caused. Hillary's deplorable comment was of the same caliber and it was she's right fuck them.

You do not insult a large chunk of the voting block even if what you say is true. Romney wasn't lying in his statement either that 47% was never going to vote for him. She was put into a bubble and everyone was happy to pretend the bubble was all that mattered. Trump went to the Rustbelt and said I will give you jobs. Hillary went to the Rustbelt and said I will end what jobs remain.

You have to be stupid to think Hillary was going to win people over with that
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If you look back to the thread where she said that, I said that would hurt her. But she said half of Trump's supporters are deplorable, not all of them. I cannot say that is inaccurate and I don't blame her for saying that in a private setting.
 
The Beard said:
Tim Kaine was the lamest wet-noodle running mate she could've picked.
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Yeah but that pick won her Virginia!

And ONLY Virginia
barely

Retro4ever said:
So those supporters aren't allowed to have their voice heard?
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If it's shitty diet racism and bigotry? Of course not. The morally reprehensible elements of Trump and his supporters aren't any less reprehensible just because they won a popularity contest.
 
DocSeuss said:
My bad, I misread you.

The things that stick out to me about this election.

1) Hillary, afaik, has the lowest votes of any single major candidate in the past few elections. That says disinterest in her, which isn't surprising; her campaign's messaging felt, to me, at least, like... "do it because she deserves this chance." Like... we look at Obama campaigning or, well, anyone else, and it's like "I'm doing this amazing stuff for you," and the Clinton messaging felt very "it's my turn," which is what happened during the Obama election, and why I preferred him to her back then. I read a great analysis of the Democratic party earlier this year that basically said "the party works like a corporation; it didn't want Bernie because he was a 'new' Democrat. Hillary had been there the longest, so the party was basically just giving her a promotion. It doesn't really perceive the American people as having a say in what it does; it's a business." That... kinda seems appropriate. The Republicans made the SAME assumption with Jeb. The difference is that the Republicans somehow realized Trump would win and the dynasty wouldn't. The Democrats didn't, and that's why I believe they lost.

2) People keep saying this is about racism, but like I said in my previous post, if it were, we'd see a swell of support for Trump. What we actually see is less support for both candidates. I could be wrong, but I believe this is actually a record for people not voting. You'd think if racists were mad at Obama, they'd be out in droves. But they weren't.

3) Exit polls show that the poorest demographics voted blue, and the richest demographics voted red, but if we look at who won which counties, the richest counties in the nation all seem blue, and the poorest counties all seem red. Based on anecdotal evidence, most of the poorer people I know were very against Clinton, but I also live in traditionally red areas. I recently moved to a richer county, and, yup, it tends to vote blue.

Ultimately, I think this is about the issue of America's overall economic decline and the unrest from it. People say "but wait, the economy is growing," but... like... if you look at where that growth is, it's in essentially three areas (NY, LA, SF), which are all historically blue and remain blue. See here and here.

This is why I expressed frustration back when Bernie backed out of the race; you have one person who basically is rich and seems entitled to the position, and then you have another person who is the same thing, except they're saying "I'll make it better for you." It doesn't... really seem surprising to me that this election turned out the way it did.

It's also why I think a bunch of people going "you're a hateful racist" isn't going to fix things. You've got all these people upset about jobs and stuff, and these people who live on the coasts being out of touch and going "you suck." I think this election could be characterized as a rebellion of sorts, and people NEED to learn from this. They need to realize that going around dissing people who feel awful already is only going to create enemies.

Trying to understand what is happening to prevent it from happening again is what we need, not this moronic moral highgrounding.
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Fantastic post. Insightful.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
What's the likelihood of the GOP continuing to fracture and splinter even though they've taken the Presidency, Congress, and Senate?

Between the hawks, the progessives, the freedom caucus, the moderates, the alt-right, and the fundamentalists, all jockeying for control.

Say what you want about Paul Ryan and John McCain, but they are on the opposite spectrum from guys like Trump and Gingrich, I would hope to think.
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Without Democratic opponents to bother them too much, they'll need to fight somebody. May as well be themselves.

In the short-term, though, I expect they'll be strengthened by the novelty of their unrepresentative win.
 
Zen_Arcade said:
I'm not saying these attitudes are 100% the reason this election turned out the way it did. There were way more factors. But you seriously have your head in the sand if you think the attitudes of Democrats didn't push at least a noticeable amount of people away. They picked an unimpressive candidate and then many of them openly insulted people who didn't like her.
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Yup, saw it happen right here on GAF.
 
DocSeuss said:
My bad, I misread you.

The things that stick out to me about this election.

1) Hillary, afaik, has the lowest votes of any single major candidate in the past few elections. That says disinterest in her, which isn't surprising; her campaign's messaging felt, to me, at least, like... "do it because she deserves this chance." Like... we look at Obama campaigning or, well, anyone else, and it's like "I'm doing this amazing stuff for you," and the Clinton messaging felt very "it's my turn," which is what happened during the Obama election, and why I preferred him to her back then. I read a great analysis of the Democratic party earlier this year that basically said "the party works like a corporation; it didn't want Bernie because he was a 'new' Democrat. Hillary had been there the longest, so the party was basically just giving her a promotion. It doesn't really perceive the American people as having a say in what it does; it's a business." That... kinda seems appropriate. The Republicans made the SAME assumption with Jeb. The difference is that the Republicans somehow realized Trump would win and the dynasty wouldn't. The Democrats didn't, and that's why I believe they lost.

2) People keep saying this is about racism, but like I said in my previous post, if it were, we'd see a swell of support for Trump. What we actually see is less support for both candidates. I could be wrong, but I believe this is actually a record for people not voting. You'd think if racists were mad at Obama, they'd be out in droves. But they weren't.

3) Exit polls show that the poorest demographics voted blue, and the richest demographics voted red, but if we look at who won which counties, the richest counties in the nation all seem blue, and the poorest counties all seem red. Based on anecdotal evidence, most of the poorer people I know were very against Clinton, but I also live in traditionally red areas. I recently moved to a richer county, and, yup, it tends to vote blue.

Ultimately, I think this is about the issue of America's overall economic decline and the unrest from it. People say "but wait, the economy is growing," but... like... if you look at where that growth is, it's in essentially three areas (NY, LA, SF), which are all historically blue and remain blue. See here and here.

This is why I expressed frustration back when Bernie backed out of the race; you have one person who basically is rich and seems entitled to the position, and then you have another person who is the same thing, except they're saying "I'll make it better for you." It doesn't... really seem surprising to me that this election turned out the way it did.

It's also why I think a bunch of people going "you're a hateful racist" isn't going to fix things. You've got all these people upset about jobs and stuff, and these people who live on the coasts being out of touch and going "you suck." I think this election could be characterized as a rebellion of sorts, and people NEED to learn from this. They need to realize that going around dissing people who feel awful already is only going to create enemies.

Trying to understand what is happening to prevent it from happening again is what we need, not this moronic moral highgrounding.
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Came here for some answers, and thank you for this post because it reflects what i think happened.
Also the gaffer that explained why he voted Trump explains a lot, not sharing some of is pretense ideals but strugling with is life and not seing a future.
Same is happening here, in Europe, with people just saying that this way of doing politics is dumb, or when someone vote different call them a bunch of retarded, not seeing that this type of moral autorithy is what drives this people against them.
You can't just don't try to understand how 50m people voted the way they voted. Not all are a bunch of rural old people...
 
Congratulations Mr. Ttrump. We all are one and on this earth for a short time. Let's all come together and enjoy our lives, an help each other out...
 
Steel said:
If you look back to the thread where she said that, I said that would hurt her. But she said half of Trump's supporters are deplorable, not all of them. I cannot say that is inaccurate and I don't blame her for saying that in a private setting.
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I think introspection will show you can't really out fling the current king of shit-flinging and it probably wasn't a good response for Clinton to go after Trump/Trump supporters in such a way that had Pepe memes described on her official site. As much as the internet loved the deplorables remarks, I don't think it done anything to actually help Clinton win. Regardless of how true it is.

Sometimes the truth can be tackled in two or more different ways, and in an election run-in you need to get it done in the way in which you can potentially win over voters.

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Well now I'm just getting pissed again.

https://twitter.com/nochillzabree/status/796434257782697984
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As much as I always want to give benefit of the doubt to horror stories on Twitter, people are getting jaded with everything and anything being believed. Still, I don't doubt most of it.
 
I will just leave this chilling account here that I read on another forum...

This thread is about the realistic impacts of Trump as president. The general consensus is that his campaign was primarily bullshit, saying what he needed to say to get in. Epically when it came to the LGBT community rights.

Let me tell you a story. This is a true story, I cannot share names and locations of the people in this story because I need to respect their privacy.

My youngest son is transgender. I do not care to argue your belief in this matter, my opinion and beliefs will not change and neither will yours. Because my son is in the LGBT community, I have gotten involved, very involved. I am a member of several support groups, including a north American support group for gender diverse children.

Now, everyone know Trumps hate speech towards the LCBT community and the promises he has made to revert marriage equality, and even to start shock conversion therapy again. Since the election has ended, with Trump as the president elect, the north American support group has exploded with activity. There has been a total of 15 suicides committed by youth in this group, primarily 16-20 years old ( all but one, who was 14). They have all left notes, and they all say that they have taken their life. The notes are all different, of course, but say basically that with Trump in power, they cannot be who they are anyway. The 1-800 help lines for LGBT youth are jammed full as are those for transgender youth as well. This is a real effect of this election so far. Who gives a fuck about policy, about taxes? Our youth is killing themselves over this.

For those asking who gets to choose what racism is. This is blatant homophobia causing these deaths...
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Phased said:
NeoGAF is extremely liberal and relatively small, in any situation like that you run the risk of creating an echo chamber. If you only get your news from FOX News Obama looks pretty bad, the reverse is true here. It's important to pull from multiple sources, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

I'm not minimalizing Trump, he's pretty bad, but there was some issues like low enthusiasm for Clinton that either nobody saw or people willfully ignored. I'm guilty of it, but now it's critical that we do more than just say "racism won" and pinpoint exactly why there was low turnout.

Saying the racists won, while true, also ignores the real issues Clinton had as a candidate. The real issues the DNC had by propping her up and pushing so hard for her. If we just blame it all on the racists we're going to end up right back here next election.
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This is true, the echo chamber filled our ears with reassuring hyperbole that Hillary's losses to Bernie in critical Rust Belt, open primary states and rural areas wouldn't spell big trouble for her in the general and that all her wins in deep red south states (her firewall) were all the evidence we need that she was a stronger GE candidate. The writing was on the wall since the beginning of the primaries that she was the wrong candidate. Constantly hearing from DNC he wasn't a real Democrat certainly wasn't going to help bring new people in. I don't wanna be that guy who said "I told you so" ... but
 
Audioboxer said:
I think introspection will show you can't really out fling the current king of shit-flinging and it probably wasn't a good response for Clinton to go after Trump/Trump supporters in such a way that had Pepe memes described on her official site.

Sometimes the truth can be tackled in two or more different ways, and in an election run-in you need to get it done in the way in which you can potentially win over voters.
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The pepe angle was definitely a wasted effort, I agree. But I really don't blame her for saying that deplorable comment in private, it's just that literally everything about her is leaked at this point.
 
Green Yoshi said:
Good luck with Geert Wilders. Sigh.
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Thanks, after Brexit and Trump I am legit scared of what my own country may do early next year.

We do have a few things going for us though. There are also left parties that cater to the low income people (SP, for example) in a way Trump also did and we also have a fair amount of parties on the middle ground. All of them tend to have overlap in some ways, which is why usually several parties form a majority by working together. I don't think that my nation suddenly will vote like there are only two or three parties out there, we are usually pretty divided, even though the overall left/right balance shifts from time to time. Going from left to right or voting another party isn't really comparable to the whole democrat vs republican thing you guys have. But yeah, never say never after fucking Brexit and Trump.

Also, while Geert is ridiculous in many ways, he is not completely awful in every way. For example, when the production company of his (racist anti-islam) film invited him for the premiere, he discovered they were anti-gay and he refused to turn up on that basis. But eh, in general, the guy is obviously extremely toxic and I really, really wish the people here don't vote for him.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
My 6 year old nephew had an anxiety attack this morning upon hearing the news because last week a kid at school told him trump was going to throw all Muslims in jail.

I kinda don't wanna go out in public any time soon.
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Maybe we should go back on this non-stop political talk everywhere if this is what it is doing to our kids. Why the hell are these even things kids talk about or know about at that age.
 
ClosingADoor said:
Maybe we should go back on this non-stop political talk everywhere if this is what it is doing to our kids. Why the hell are these even things kids talk about or know about at that age.
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Because parents are happy to instill that kind of hate speech in their kids. My sister was very careful not to put negative ideas in his head during the election cycle but she can't control what bigot parents tell their children.
 
He did get elected democratically. This man isn't the problem, the problem is the majority of the people of United States who voted for him.

You've done this to your self America.
 
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