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[Michael F. Assbender]

If you support Donald Trump, you are supporting racism and sexism. It really is that simple.

Bullshit. Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support every one of their positions. Otherwise, if you were an Obama supporter in '08, you need to explain to me why you supported/voted for a man who was against equal rights for gay people. Why were you such a bigot 8 years ago?

Lots of people that supported Trump are working class white voters who don't give a damn about race or gender. They care that their mortgage payment is overdue, their job is overseas, and nothing they hear out of Washington addresses their concerns. They aren't a minority. They aren't a special interest group. But their lives are collapsing around them.

Sure, they should worry about racial inequality and social justice, but they need to worry about providing for themselves and their kids first.

Donald Trump promised them a way out. He told them he'd make America great again. He'd bring their jobs back. He'd make the bigwigs pay for forgetting about them.

Was Trump lying? Almost certainly. Are these people foolish for believing him? Sure. But many of them are just desperate to hear that their lives are fixable, so they gave the job to the person who said he'd get it fixed for them.

It doesn't make them racist or sexist. It makes them human. And no amount of belittling or marginalizing them is going to change that. In fact, if these last few months are any indication, belittling them only strengthens their resolve.

So yeah. Fuck the racist and sexist factions who voted for Trump. Fuck every last one of them. But that's not everyone who voted for him. A frightening number of them, sure. But not all. And likely not even most. Most just want to get by and voted for a snake oil salesman who promised them solutions.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Well now I'm just getting pissed again.

https://twitter.com/nochillzabree/status/796434257782697984

While the 4th one is obviously easier to confirm, the other 3 could just be more bullshit in all fairness.

 

[The Beard]

Because parents are happy to instill that kind of hate speech in their kids. My sister was very careful not to put negative ideas in his head during the election cycle but she can't control what bigot parents tell their children.

Bigot parents, or hyperbolic Anti-Trump parents?

 

[Adobe]

But this is wrong in two discrete ways.

Hilary did win the popular vote but lost the election. It sounds a bit crazy but maybe the whole voting system is just bad.

 

[Steel]

Bigot parents, or hyperbolic Anti-Trump parents?

Are you saying that a kid being told by another kid that they should be thrown in jail for their religion isn't absolutely fucking wrong?

 

[Audioboxer]

While the 4th one is obviously easier to confirm, the other 3 could just be more bullshit in all fairness.

This is the article, from October the 7th

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/0...-lgbt-rights-protections-mike-pence-confirms/

As much as it pains me to say this, the evidence will start now as to whether or not a lot of shit said during Trumps campaign ended up being to get votes. The evangelicals were splurging their load on the BBC last night over Trump.

 

[Parch]

Tired of being asked to extend courtesies to people that never seem to want to reciprocate. Happy for you that you have it in your heart to not hate the idiots in your life.

You're right. I find it a bit silly to think that if Dems and media had actually "extended courtesies" it would have changed the outcome. Expecting respect in American politics just isn't going to happen. That's just politics.

The chance of changing the opinion of Trump supporters was nil, and I don't believe for a minute that voters who were supposedly on the fence voted Trump just to spite Democrats. Bull feathers. People have their reasons why they voted the way they did and negative comments directed at them didn't make a bit of difference. Don't make it sound like their choice was because their feelings were hurt.

Even if it didn't make any difference they still needed to be called out, and they still need to be called out now. Checks and balances and all that. Just don't start believing that it's ever going to change anything.

The more important question is "why didn't you vote?". Not "why did you vote Trump?"

 

[Couleurs]

So apparently Calexit is getting semi-serious attention.

The same attention as when Texas wanted to secede when Obama got re-elected. A few crazies being loud while everyone else rolls their eyes knowing it has 0 chance of happening.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

So basically Republicans do your toxic hate shit cause it works, Democrats avoid because it is mean?

The democrats necessarily need a broad coalition of minorities with large elements of the majority to win. The Republicans only need small numbers of minorities to win in a lot of places. If Republicans were preaching hate at the minority to galvanize sections of the majority, the Democrat response should be to attack that hate, but never to attack the majority itself per se. Being "correct" is only a small part of the political battle. You need to convince people to vote for you in order to get elected, not win online arguments, which means a willingness to tolerate borderline people many of whom do harbor unconscious racist or sexist tendencies.

I don't think "Hilary was mean!" or "Democrats were mean!" was close to the largest factor in this election, but it would probably at least pay to reconsider broad strategies in the wake of what appears to be the largest American electoral upset in my lifetime, and one that could have dangerous far reaching consequences not just for America but the world.

 

[Garlador]

"Hundreds of high school students stage walk out to protest Donald Trump’s presidential election win"

Good to see

Remember this feeling in 2-to-4 hours, kids.

 

[Quote]

While the 4th one is obviously easier to confirm, the other 3 could just be more bullshit in all fairness.

Riiiiiiight

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Bigot parents, or hyperbolic Anti-Trump parents?

Yes it's my sister's fault that her 6 year old muslim son was attacked by the child of a racist at school

 

[Krappadizzle]

Bullshit. Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support every one of their positions. Otherwise, if you were an Obama supporter in '08, you need to explain to me why you supported/voted for a man who was against equal rights for gay people. Why were you such a bigot 8 years ago?

Lots of people that supported Trump are working class white voters who don't give a damn about race or gender. They care that their mortgage payment is overdue, their job is overseas, and nothing they hear out of Washington addresses their concerns. They aren't a minority. They aren't a special interest group. But their lives are collapsing around them.

Sure, they should worry about racial inequality and social justice, but they need to worry about providing for themselves and their kids first.

Donald Trump promised them a way out. He told them he'd make America great again. He'd bring their jobs back. He'd make the bigwigs pay for forgetting about them.

Was Trump lying? Almost certainly. Are these people foolish for believing him? Sure. But many of them are just desperate to hear that their lives are fixable, so they gave the job to the person who said he'd get it fixed for them.

It doesn't make them racist or sexist. It makes them human. And no amount of belittling or marginalizing them is going to change that. In fact, if these last few months are any indication, belittling them only strengthens their resolve.

So yeah. Fuck the racist and sexist factions who voted for Trump. Fuck every last one of them. But that's not everyone who voted for him. A frightening number of them, sure. But not all. And likely not even most. Most just want to get by and voted for a snake oil salesman who promised them solutions.

Completely agree with this post.

 

[User 479360]

I can't believe it. Honestly, I can't. All the blunders, his arrogance, his racism, etc. Yet he still won.

Then again, it is America.

I worry about what's to come, but there's a chance he will turn out good.

 

[magnifico]

Hilary did win the popular vote but lost the election. It sounds a bit crazy but maybe the whole voting system is just bad.

Eh, but if Trump eeked out the popular vote and she won electorally your opinion would be reversed. Still a candidate problem imo, a proper Dem should be winning key Rust Belt states and not by such thin margins and low turnout.

 

[IvorB]

Wow it actually happened. I wonder where this fell, new political wind will blow next...

 

[Zen_Arcade]

So you're placing your major premise that Hillary et al were mean and pushed independents to Trump but literally nothing Trump did or said about any group swayed people away? So basically Republicans do your toxic hate shit cause it works, Democrats avoid because it is mean?

I'm willing ti accept that hypthesis but damn if it doesn't basically highlight how fucking absurd thebdouble standard is. And damn some people take gaf too seriously this place is not reflective of the actual voting demographic.

The mistake Hillary and the aggressive supporters she had made was insulting people who might actually vote for her. Trump mostly insulted minorities, many of which weren't going to side with him anyway. Who was he losing with those statements? What votes? Of course that embolded his more ignorant supporters, and like I said, there were more layers to why this happened then just Liberals being assholes.

Hillary on the other hand called the entire other side of the debate "Deplorable". This wasn't something she said on GAF. It wasn't something limited to the internet. It was something said in the middle of a Presidential candidate in the middle on an election. Then people ran with it and anyone who thought Hillary was ill fit to be President was "Deplorable" or any other number of insults by some.

Think about it this way. You're a guy who is leaning more towards Trump. Maybe simply because you're Republican and you always vote on party lines or because you have hope that he can fix your economic situation in a rural area. Possibly a thoughtless or selfish thing to do, but hardly anything to spit vitriol at anyone for. But at the same time, you see Trump as this completely unreasonable candidate, running against another person you see as unfit to be President. Then that other person comes in and calls anyone who supports Trump "Deplorable", which opens the flood gates for everyone else to call you deplorable. Is it really all that surprising that that person wouldn't want to side with the people calling him deplorable? Even if the other side seems terrible as well? If you see both sides as shitty, but you still have to pick one, you're pretty likely to pick the side that's not insulting you.

Or how about if you were a Sanders supporter who wanted to voice his doubts about Clinton and were met with accusations of sexism simply because you didn't want Clinton?

Both sides slung a bunch of shit at people this election. The only difference between the two is that Democrats were dumb enough to sling shit at people who might actually vote for the person they wanted to win.

 

[The Elite]

I have been trying for years to get my mom to stop watching CNN all day. Apparently a Trump presidency has upset her to the point that she doesn't want to watch American politics anymore.

Thanks Trump.

 

[Suburban Thug]

I guess I will put this out there and see what happens but I voted for Donald Trump.

I will tell you exactly why I did it and why I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton and my reasons have nothing to do with racism or any of that bull crap that people seem to keep trying to make Trump voters turns out to be.

I'm a 26 year old white male. And I make around $20,000 a year. I consider myself to be a hard-working 20 something year old guy with a lot of my future but there were a few things in the end of Obama's administration that absolutely destroyed me, mainly Obamacare.

I fall into this small Gap that Obamacare absolutely did nothing for but destroy my wallet while giving me subpar health care that I not only didn't want but offered almost virtually no benefit to me.

Because I made too much to not be considered to be in poverty in my state I was not offered any subsidies on any kind of health care plan. My options are pretty much to buy a healthcare plan with extremely high deductibles that are almost like car insurance for a couple hundred bucks a month. He offered absolutely no real benefit to me medical wise.

But the thing that really set me off was that he basically bullied me into healthcare. It was pretty much either buy health care or be fine so suddenly I'm in the situation when ObamaCare got passed that my monthly budget was cut by a couple hundred dollars for something I only didn't want but I didn't need.

When you only make $20,000 a year and suddenly twelve to fourteen hundred dollars out of it is just proof gone for something you don't want it's extremely frustrating.

But this small Gap that Obamacare doesn't cover of this group people that make too much to be considered not in poverty but too little to actually afford any kind of Obamacare plans. It represents many people my age just trying to get out into the workforce and trying to figure out something that they want to do with their lives.

When you combine that with more and more companies cutting any kind of health care plans for their employees that are not full time, which I am one of, suddenly in the whole Obamacare health care problem became a huge headache for me and I literally had nothing I can do except either pay the fine or buy health insurance I didn't want.

Obamacare was a huge problem for me because it fundamentally changed my life for no real reason. It didn't benefit me in any single way.

That was one major reason why I voted for Trump because Obamacare needs to be repealed it's just that simple, but that's my opinion.

When you combine that with Obama's foreign policy which I just don't agree with, and also his endless fight against gun control which I think was always in pointless battle that didn't actually solve any problems, you have a president I just didn't agree with.

I don't dislike Obama I think he was doing what he thought was right but at the end of the day I just didn't agree with any of his policies and then his health care plan was something that affected me personally in a negative.

Enter Hillary Clinton,

She literally was an Obama 2. And I just don't see any way that could have benefited and not only me but many people that I associate with and even friends and family that were caught in the same exact predicament with Obamacare.

I voted for Donald Trump because I do want change I want to different foreign policy I want alternative to Obamacare and frankly I just want change I don't want another Obama.

I have nothing against people of other races and in fact my best friend is Latino. And I have dated black women.

Donald Trump comments that he made during that Infamous video definitely shook me up a little bit in terms of his character, but when you look at the other side and all you see is Hillary Clinton who has a lifelong history of making extremely selfish choices to line her pocketbook and give her and her husband power over anything else and I really didn't see that as an issue anymore it basically became a wash.

I'll tell you right now if Bernie Sanders would have been on that ballot there is absolutely no way I could have taken Donald Trump has my vote. Bernie Sanders represented somebody who I actually thought was truthful and not only did he not give off that sense of just sleeping is that both Trump and Clinton had, I actually felt like he was fighting for people even if it meant that I didn't agree with what he was fighting for.

I respect the fact that you put more thought into this than the average American and I definitely feel your plight as a fellow mid-20's male working retail. However, I believe you made a very uninformed, short sighted decision. Under Trump your QOL will most likely decline. He is not here to help us; will will feel the squeeze of his economic policies the worst. I don't particularly like Hilary either but she was clearly the better option in my eyes.

And this is before we even get to his insane foreign policy stance that will destabilize the world. Don't be surprised if Russia becomes emboldened and seizes more territory from Ukraine.

 

[Robdraggoo]

GAF told me it is impossible that he will win Michigan and Wisconsin. Why has nobody in the Clinton campaign listened to Michael Moore? False pride?

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

My God. He called that shit to a T.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

The cynic in me says they just wanted an excuse for a day off

u aren't wrong

 

[RPGCrazied]

I have been trying for years to get my mom to stop watching CNN all day. Apparently a Trump presidency has upset her to the point that she doesn't want to watch American politics anymore.

Thanks Trump.

I probably won't be watching any media on TV or reading any news sites anymore. I'll stick with just gaf and video games.

 

[SURGEdude]

I think the following quote is full of wisdom.

No offense to you. But that quote is a pile of horseshit.

 

[The Beard]

Are you saying that a kid being told by another kid that they should be thrown in jail for their religion isn't absolutely fucking wrong?

Yes it's my sister's fault that her 6 year old muslim son was attacked by the child of a racist at school

WTF? All you said was that some kid told your nephew Trump wants to throw all Muslims in jail. For all I know the kid overheard his pro-Hillary parents being hyperbolic.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

Anybody who protests Trump now... for what? What are you going to accomplish?

I think Obama was right in saying we need to let him lead. When he does something bad, as a leader, then by all means, protest, but now? Just feels like sour grapes, or an excuse to let off some steam from the results.

 

[CopperPuppy]

And even if it were limited to the internet, it's idiotic to propose that just because something is said on the internet that it doesn't carry weight. Especially if it's something you're bludgeoned with over and over by a bunch of different people.

The irony of making this statement about the online activity of Clinton supporters as opposed to Trump supporters is almost too potent.

 

[EvilMario]

EvilLore grabs them on the ass not the pussy.

I like you.

 

[mbpm1]

While the 4th one is obviously easier to confirm, the other 3 could just be more bullshit in all fairness.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nothingeverhappens/

 

[Steel]

WTF? All you said was that some kid told your nephew Trump wants to throw all Muslims in jail. For all I know the kid overheard his pro-Hillary parents being hyperbolic.

Go back and read the line of quotes. You misread and put your own bias into the equation. You're an idiot if you think this vote doesn't enflame anti-muslim sentiment.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

The same attention as when Texas wanted to secede when Obama got re-elected. A few crazies being loud while everyone else rolls their eyes knowing it has 0 chance of happening.

Likely. But I wouldn't say the chance is zero, just extremely close to zero. As we've seen, anything is possible.

 

[fallengorn]

The cynic in me says they just wanted an excuse for a day off

It's high-school. So, it's probably a fair share of them.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

This is the article, from October the 7th

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/0...-lgbt-rights-protections-mike-pence-confirms/

As much as it pains me to say this, the evidence will start now as to whether or not a lot of shit said during Trumps campaign ended up being to get votes. The evangelicals were splurging their load on the BBC last night over Trump.

That's the one I was saying can be confirmed. The other three were just random tweets just like the "Klan on the bridge" tweets.

I could post a tweet right now saying anything I like. Doesn't make it true.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

The irony of making this statement about the online activity of Clinton supporters as opposed to Trump supporters is almost too potent.

Trump supporters got called out all of the time online for their disrespectful and hateful bullshit. When people supporting Hillary said ignorant, assumptive and disrespectul things most people just laughed it off, even when the person on the receiving end didn't deserve it.

 

[ElFly]

I said "or maybe this was the last grand stand" to highlight that it was a hypothetical. With shifting demographics maybe Democrats can overcome an acceptable amount of apathy just to raw numbers? Again, that's purely hypothetical. I don't know.

I'm just saying Trump won with a strategy many even on the right didn't think was winnable. Was it a fluke? These are questions the Democratic party has to be asking.

this is eating me too; not only Trump outsmarted _both_ parties with this strategy, the DNC heard about it several months ago, as far as June, and did _nothing_

sure, polling was wonky, but the campaign just did the best effort possible to let Trump execute his campaign without opposition

 

[mbpm1]

That's the one I was saying can be confirmed. The other three were just random tweets just like the "Klan on the bridge" tweets.

I could post a tweet right now saying anything I like. Doesn't make it true.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nothingeverhappens/

 

[NetMapel]

I understand there is a huge divide in America between blue and red states. Blue states don't get what they want because of red states and vice versa. Since state rights is such a big deal in the US, what are the chances of several like-minded solid blue states get together and form some kind of state alliance. In the alliance, they can share costs and have their own universal healthcare and lower higher education tuition... etc? The caveat would be higher state tax to fund it of course. Let's say California, Oregon, Washington get together and run this system together on a state-level shared between the three. The people in those states will pay higher taxes of course but get universal healthcare, better social welfare and lower tuition... etc. Run the states like Canada basically, and they got more population than Canada combined together to share those costs too. The federal government leaves a lot to the state so I think those states so form alliance like that and run them like how liberals want them using shared state taxes.

 

[FreezeSSC]

The only solace I have is knowing the electorate will get more diverse with each passing year, I really hope this speeds up the process.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Anyone hear from Bill Maher yet? I love his show. He is funny and outspoken, but has been silent before the election happened and like me hates Trump.

 

[The Beard]

Go back and read the line of quotes. You misread and put your own bias into the equation. You're an idiot if you think this vote doesn't enflame anti-muslim sentiment.

Whatever dude. Follow your own advice.

 

[vasametropolis]

Bullshit. Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support every one of their positions. Otherwise, if you were an Obama supporter in '08, you need to explain to me why you supported/voted for a man who was against equal rights for gay people. Why were you such a bigot 8 years ago?

Lots of people that supported Trump are working class white voters who don't give a damn about race or gender. They care that their mortgage payment is overdue, their job is overseas, and nothing they hear out of Washington addresses their concerns. They aren't a minority. They aren't a special interest group. But their lives are collapsing around them.

Sure, they should worry about racial inequality and social justice, but they need to worry about providing for themselves and their kids first.

Donald Trump promised them a way out. He told them he'd make America great again. He'd bring their jobs back. He'd make the bigwigs pay for forgetting about them.

Was Trump lying? Almost certainly. Are these people foolish for believing him? Sure. But many of them are just desperate to hear that their lives are fixable, so they gave the job to the person who said he'd get it fixed for them.

It doesn't make them racist or sexist. It makes them human. And no amount of belittling or marginalizing them is going to change that. In fact, if these last few months are any indication, belittling them only strengthens their resolve.

So yeah. Fuck the racist and sexist factions who voted for Trump. Fuck every last one of them. But that's not everyone who voted for him. A frightening number of them, sure. But not all. And likely not even most. Most just want to get by and voted for a snake oil salesman who promised them solutions.

Good post. People like to make assumptions and assumptions are part of the reason it got this far.

 

[Azzanadra]

Anyone hear from Bill Maher yet? I love his show. He is funny and outspoken, but has been silent before the election happened and like me hates Trump.

Man's probably on suicide watch.

Anyways, anyone finding it odd that this thread is moving rather slowly? I would have expected to be on thread #3 already... did a significant portion of GAF just leave?

 

[Green Yoshi]

D'oh!

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I understand there is a huge divide in America between blue and red states. Blue states don't get what they want because of red states and vice versa. Since state rights is such a big deal in the US, what are the chances of several like-minded solid blue states get together and form some kind of state alliance. In the alliance, they can share costs and have their own universal healthcare and lower higher education tuition... etc? The caveat would be higher state tax to fund it of course. Let's say California, Oregon, Washington get together and run this system together on a state-level shared between the three. The people in those states will pay higher taxes of course but get universal healthcare, better social welfare and lower tuition... etc. Run the states like Canada basically, and they got more population than Canada combined together to share those costs too. The federal government leaves a lot to the state so I think those states so form alliance like that and run them like how liberals want them using shared state taxes.

If it's purely internal to the United States I believe it is legal, though I'd have to go through the Constitution again. I know states can't impede freedom of movement, interstate commerce, and cannot engage with foreign powers.

 

[mbpm1]

D'oh!

His hair is well done here

 

[Steel]

Whatever dude. Follow your own advice.

How the hell do you read this:

My 6 year old nephew had an anxiety attack this morning upon hearing the news because last week a kid at school told him trump was going to throw all Muslims in jail.

I kinda don't wanna go out in public any time soon.

And come to the conclusion you did?

 

[RPGCrazied]

Man's probably on suicide watch.

Anyways, anyone finding it odd that this thread is moving rather slowly? I would have expected to be on thread #3 already... did a significant portion of GAF just leave?

Yeah. I'm afraid. Hope he is okay! And yeah, more like people are leaving the internet to get away from the Trump meme shit and his supporters.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Man's probably on suicide watch.

Anyways, anyone finding it odd that this thread is moving rather slowly? I would have expected to be on thread #3 already... did a significant portion of GAF just leave?

I guess there isn't really much to say. What's done is done and we all just have to buckle in and endure it for two years until we can get a chance to fix some things.

 

[Waldo Lydecker]

Can we somehow be glad that Trump isn't really a Christian? Like Dubya who saw himself as a tool in God's hand and therefore felt it as a mission from above to invade Iraq?

 

[magnifico]

Can we somehow be glad that Trump isn't really a Christian? Like Dubya who saw himself as a tool in God's hand and therefore felt it as a mission from above to invade Iraq?

Better hope nothing happens to Trump and Pence becomes Pres then, that's an even more terrifying thought.

 

[mbpm1]

Can we somehow be glad that Trump isn't really a Christian? Like Dubya who saw himself as a tool in God's hand and therefore felt it as a mission from above to invade Iraq?

I don't know if that was the real reason