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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States

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Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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What were your reasons, that were important enough to overlook the bigotry, lack of political experience, and incoherence?

ED: Ah, I see. White-passsable Hispanic + health care costs
 
Foffy said:
Technology may prevent Trump's job plan from actually succeeding.

Good. Of all times to see this crumble, it's with this man.
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Well, yeah. It's not a secret.

American manufacturing jobs have declined, but over the same period American manufacturing output has increased.

A lot of people have said it over the course of the campaign, but the blue collar manufacturing worker at the core of Trump's constituency didn't lose his job to a Mexican. He lost it to a robot.
 
Green Yoshi said:
GAF told me it is impossible that he will win Michigan and Wisconsin. Why has nobody in the Clinton campaign listened to Michael Moore? False pride?

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
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Remember when GAF was calling him a nut for speaking the obvious truth they didn't like to hear? LMAO

It was arrogance plain and simple. Clinton and friends thought they had all those states in the bag which is why she didn't bother campaigning at least once over there. Donald Trump winning is on her hands as well.
 
Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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Edit: nevermind
 
Krappadizzle said:
Illegal Immigration and Obamacare.

I fell in that line where Obamacare was a BIG problem for my wife and I and we were put in some really shitty situations because of it. We make just enough to not qualify for cheaper healthcare but not enough to afford what was required.
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What did Donald say that made you feel he was better prepared to handle either of these problems? Were you looking for a wall to be built and for the ACA to be completely replaced rather than fixed?
 
So does this mean they're going to release Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 in America now?
 
interesting graph

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https://twitter.com/sam_kriss/status/796394553423097856
 
So here is an interesting thing. All throughout his campaign trump made up his own facts and everyone was on board and brought. Watch him make up his own presidency. Economy will be amazing even if it is tanking and i am willing to bet the repubs would be dumb enough to buy it. All he needs is a camera.
 
plop said:
Bullshit. Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support every one of their positions. Otherwise, if you were an Obama supporter in '08, you need to explain to me why you supported/voted for a man who was against equal rights for gay people. Why were you such a bigot 8 years ago?

Lots of people that supported Trump are working class white voters who don't give a damn about race or gender. They care that their mortgage payment is overdue, their job is overseas, and nothing they hear out of Washington addresses their concerns. They aren't a minority. They aren't a special interest group. But their lives are collapsing around them.

Sure, they should worry about racial inequality and social justice, but they need to worry about providing for themselves and their kids first.

Donald Trump promised them a way out. He told them he'd make America great again. He'd bring their jobs back. He'd make the bigwigs pay for forgetting about them.

Was Trump lying? Almost certainly. Are these people foolish for believing him? Sure. But many of them are just desperate to hear that their lives are fixable, so they gave the job to the person who said he'd get it fixed for them.

It doesn't make them racist or sexist. It makes them human. And no amount of belittling or marginalizing them is going to change that. In fact, if these last few months are any indication, belittling them only strengthens their resolve.

So yeah. Fuck the racist and sexist factions who voted for Trump. Fuck every last one of them. But that's not everyone who voted for him. A frightening number of them, sure. But not all. And likely not even most. Most just want to get by and voted for a snake oil salesman who promised them solutions.
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People really need to look at the Hierarchy of Needs because it is a very real thing and it is what determined this election in many ways.
 
Krappadizzle said:
Illegal Immigration and Obamacare.

I fell in that line where Obamacare was a BIG problem for my wife and I and we were put in some really shitty situations because of it. We make just enough to not qualify for cheaper healthcare but not enough to afford what was required.
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Honestly curious, what makes you think illegal immigration is a problem? It's literally been at an all time low for years.
 
My friend teaches elementary school kids in low income neighborhood.. She texted me today and said that her students were literally crying and sacred. This is not the America I wanted.

I almost want to run for public office myself after graduating. But I probably can't cut it as a politician.
 
Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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Whatever your reasons were, you're still supporting those ideals through your choice of the candidate. A vote is all-or-nothing.
 
Nothing1016 said:
My friend teaches elementary school kids in low income neighborhood.. She texted me today and said that her students were literally crying and sacred. This is not the America I wanted.

I almost want to run for public office myself after graduating. But I probably can't cut it as a politician.
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Didn't we just learn the lesson that doesn't matter at all?
 
Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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I don't believe you made the right choice, or even the informed choice tbh, but I respect your right to choose.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
So here is an interesting thing. All throughout his campaign trump made up his own facts and everyone was on board and brought. Watch him make up his own presidency. Economy will be amazing even if it is tanking and i am willing to bet the repubs would be dumb enough to buy it. All he needs is a camera.
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Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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Could you elaborate as to why you guys did? I'm not going to call names but even though you yourself might not be those things, voting for Trump will most certainly strengthen those sentiments in the US.
 
greycolumbus said:
I feel bad for anyone who was ignorant enough to vote for him for anything related to jobs. The ship has sailed. The jobs aren't coming back. Why are people refusing to accept this?
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Because they want to believe they will have a job making 60-70k a year like they used to, when a robot can do the same job better for basically nothing.
 
plop said:
Bullshit. Just because you support a candidate doesn't mean you support every one of their positions. Otherwise, if you were an Obama supporter in '08, you need to explain to me why you supported/voted for a man who was against equal rights for gay people. Why were you such a bigot 8 years ago?

Lots of people that supported Trump are working class white voters who don't give a damn about race or gender. They care that their mortgage payment is overdue, their job is overseas, and nothing they hear out of Washington addresses their concerns. They aren't a minority. They aren't a special interest group. But their lives are collapsing around them.

Sure, they should worry about racial inequality and social justice, but they need to worry about providing for themselves and their kids first.

Donald Trump promised them a way out. He told them he'd make America great again. He'd bring their jobs back. He'd make the bigwigs pay for forgetting about them.

Was Trump lying? Almost certainly. Are these people foolish for believing him? Sure. But many of them are just desperate to hear that their lives are fixable, so they gave the job to the person who said he'd get it fixed for them.

It doesn't make them racist or sexist. It makes them human. And no amount of belittling or marginalizing them is going to change that. In fact, if these last few months are any indication, belittling them only strengthens their resolve.

So yeah. Fuck the racist and sexist factions who voted for Trump. Fuck every last one of them. But that's not everyone who voted for him. A frightening number of them, sure. But not all. And likely not even most. Most just want to get by and voted for a snake oil salesman who promised them solutions.
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Wrong. By voting for him you're supporting racism and sexism with the caveat that you'll hopefully benefit out it.

It doesn't matter that you don't necessarily agree with those said views because you're supporting them by voting for him.
 
Trace said:
Because they want to believe they will have a job making 60-70k a year like they used to, when a robot can do the same job better for basically nothing.
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Nah, a robot is still more expensive than a bunch of chinese workers. So there will be like.... 10? Jobs created per factory that comes back to the U.S. because of Trump's economic tariffs. All the while consumer good prices will skyrocket.
 
So... um does anybody got a time machine of some sort? If you were keeping it a secret for a major emergency now would be the the time to use it!

Unless you already did and and that caused a split rather than change the world line divergence. In that case carry on I guess.

I really dont want to be on this planet anymore.
 
Trace said:
Because they want to believe they will have a job making 60-70k a year like they used to, when a robot can do the same job better for basically nothing.
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The thing is though, that's his average voter(or making more). Poorer than that went for Clinton, on average.
 
Odrion said:
Well, now it has really hit me and I found an ever deeper feeling of depression.
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I look forward to feeling normal again. I haven't lost this deepseated anxiety in my chest since yesterday.

I usually only feel this way if something terrible is looming.
 
DragonSworne said:
I hope Trump charges the Bush administration with war crimes.
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This same Trump?

Trump proposed a ban on all Muslims entering the country after last year's rampage in San Bernardino, California. He has pledged, with profane enthusiasm, to bomb the Islamic State out of existence. Trump has at times said he would bring back torture for detainees, and that he would create a national database for all American Muslims.
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Steel said:
Nah, a robot is still more expensive than a bunch of chinese workers. So there will be like.... 10? Jobs created per factory that comes back to the U.S. because of Trump's economic tariffs. All the while consumer good prices will skyrocket.
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It depends what they're doing. A lot of the old factory jobs continue to make things in America, it's just robots doing the work now instead of an overpaid white union worker.
 
Krappadizzle said:
Yup. I'm not a bigot, I'm not a xenophobe, I'm not homophobic. But yet I was called all those things by people because of my choice of candidate. My brother is gay. My mother is a minority. I technically am even though I look white. We all voted Trump. We had our reasons, hate was not one of them. It may have been for others, but not us. When people start making sweeping generalizations of groups, they can look just as ill informed and hateful as the people they are protesting.
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You know it's funny but it's something that people don't acknowledge enough but minorties can be racist and xenophobic, gay people can be honophobic, women can be misogynist etc.

People can vote against their self-interest with the right manipulation.

How do you think Trump was able to get low income workers to vote against theirs when they lifted him onto the presidential seat?
 
Trace said:
It depends what they're doing. A lot of the old factory jobs continue to make things in America, it's just robots doing the work now instead of an overpaid white union worker.
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Oh, I've worked in said factories. I know how it works. Hell, I did it in a very low profit industry that's using 30 year old machines. 40 workers for a plant that had 4 18 wheeler sized machines. Most of them just moving boxes back and forth with forklifts. More advanced factories would automate even the box moving.
 
Balphon said:
Well, yeah. It's not a secret.

American manufacturing jobs have declined, but over the same period American manufacturing output has increased.

A lot of people have said it over the course of the campaign, but the blue collar manufacturing worker at the core of Trump's constituency didn't lose his job to a Mexican. He lost it to a robot.
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Yes, but were these people actually told the truth?

No.

I do not believe they will be happy when they see they have been Trump'd.
 
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