Yeah, I've been screaming internally at the assumptions myself. It does not help.
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Donald J. Trump elected 45th President of the United States
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Yeah, I've been screaming internally at the assumptions myself. It does not help.
Shpeshal Nick
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Not normally no. I just think that this election has brought about waaaay more bullshit on both sides than normal.
Michael F. Assbender
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Voting for someone holding a position doesn't necessarily mean you also support that position. That's a basic logical fallacy.
I'm not going to rehash my entire post, but again, if you voted for (or supported) '08 Obama, why did you hate gay people so much? Why did you believe they didnt deserve equal rights? How monsterous of you.
The fact that he called all 4 states that lost Clinton the election...
sazzy
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Holy fuck.
For every word i read in it felt like him throwing Ls to my face like
Watch TrumpLand on YouTube and cry.
Krappadizzle
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I'm not thrilled about having Trump as president. I'm embarrassed for my country that these two candidates were the best either side could put up. But I'll say that I'm sick of career politicians telling me that they are gonna fix the problems every four years and nothing happens. From both sides of the aisle. ESPECIALLY that in last few years it feels like our country is more divided than ever. I didn't want Obama to win the last election, but as a Vet, I respected the choice of the American people. I've served my country and felt completely shit on it by those I served. Especially the nightmare of trying to deal with VA health care. I would have rather had a better choice than a reality TV star/tycoon with no history of public service or a candidate that would potentially throw us into war with Russia and build upon the catastrophe that has been the last few years of awful Obamacare. Both are completely untrustworthy and it sucks that this is what we are left with.
Fantastical
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Real tired of people saying to come together when the right did the exact opposite with Barack Obama. And Trump is no Obama.
fixedpoint
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The two-term limit is outlined by the 22nd amendment to the US Constitution (1947). Interestingly Reagan's puppeteers petitioned unsuccessfully for its' repeal.
Side note - I would have voted for Obama again. I'd have voted for Michelle Obama twice.
sazzy
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Moore wasn't the only one.
Its unfuckingbelievable that Hillary's campaign staff missed this.
Yet this makes the false assumption that everyone who voted for him (or didn't turn out to vote at all) did it for islamaphobic or racist reasons.
The truth of the matter appears to be Clinton didn't energize Democrats and turnout was low because of it. Maybe they were sick of all the scandals (of which many were made up), maybe they felt disenfranchised by the DNC (of which did some really shady shit in Clinton's favor) or maybe they were just tired of the Clinton's.
I voted for Clinton, but I wasn't super excited by my vote. How many people weren't excited and just didn't show up? A lot of them apparently.
Voter turnout is down overall. I don't think our country is suddenly more racist, I think people didn't like their choices and just didn't vote. If we blame this all on racists we're ignoring the other stuff that contributed, and we'll end up right back here in 4/8 years when we run another boring establishment candidate.
SolidSnakeUS
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Don't expect him to apologize for anything. If anything, he'll just keep attacking people.
elrechazado
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Or why.do you believe mass surveillance and mass extrajudicial drone killings and the toppling of governments is ok? Reductionist views are apparently only applicable to the side that one doesn't like.
It's not rocket science yet even now people continue to walk around in full denial that its all about racism.
Hillary went into heavily affected areas and had nothing hopeful to offer them in regards to the decimation they have faced from fleeing industry etc. Quite the Opposite she openly boasted she would kill what little remains of industry in those areas.
Is there really anything that can be done? Not to the degree being promised them by Trump certainly. That era is gone but you don't go in and say you are going to destroy what's left for them there. There was no hopeful opportunities offered and in the end it was those communities that flipped Historically blue states to the Red category.
Hillary went into heavily affected areas and had nothing hopeful to offer them in regards to the decimation they have faced from fleeing industry etc. Quite the Opposite she openly boasted she would kill what little remains of industry in those areas.
Is there really anything that can be done? Not to the degree being promised them by Trump certainly. That era is gone but you don't go in and say you are going to destroy what's left for them there. There was no hopeful opportunities offered and in the end it was those communities that flipped Historically blue states to the Red category.
CoffeeJanitor
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They don't post on gaf all that much
Heavy_D206
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I can't imagine letting politics effect your daily life so much that people are claiming to be depressed.
I want the Government out of my life as much as possible. I can take care of myself, and I don't need politicians telling what to do or how to do it.
I want the Government out of my life as much as possible. I can take care of myself, and I don't need politicians telling what to do or how to do it.
Some have asked in this thread what policies Trump supporters actually like. I didn't vote for him, but I'll list a few of his policies that I support:
- a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress
- a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service
- a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government
- a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections
- significantly raising the prevailing wage for H1 visas (Hillary went to the Silicon Valley oligarchs and specifically promised 'not to touch' current H1 gravy-train regulations)
- renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
- withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
- a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress
- a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service
- a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government
- a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections
- significantly raising the prevailing wage for H1 visas (Hillary went to the Silicon Valley oligarchs and specifically promised 'not to touch' current H1 gravy-train regulations)
- renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
- withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
I mean honestly as I have gone through the day, being at work, doing my usual thing. I still cannot come to rationalize as to why this happened. I was walking down a crowded street today with people all around me but nobody really talking about it. It was not the usual indifference either. Everybody just looked sad but just didn't want to talk about it. Like they knew there was a major fuck-up but weren't sure who to blame.
It was strange and eerie.
It was strange and eerie.
bangbang i'm a timpani
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you are aware that basically none of those are going to happen right
mercenar1e
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where can i get all the media reactions from when things started to turn around for Trump? i haven't seen a reaction thread for his win.
AuthenticM
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Can someone post the very reputable website that compared the political candidates and their platform and ranked them on some quadrants?
SmackAttack
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This is something I don't understand. The man's campaign was based on dividing people even. If Obama couldn't get people to come together, how do people think Trump will magically do it?
Yes, but they are policies I support. Just like I liked Bernie even though I knew there was almost no chance any of his proposals would pass.
RPGCrazied
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I really need to get back into playing a video game or something. This is unhealthy to think about this shitstain all day and what he will do to destroy American's lives.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1252056&page=1Holy fuck.
For every word i read in it felt like him throwing Ls to my face like
The thread was shut down quickly.
That's the point. They won't be out of your life either way no matter what you do. No matter how independent minded you are their values will impact you in some way.
I'm sure the worst thing for Trump is to actually go through with his promises. People will turn against him when they see the inevitable human rights violations and families being torn apart that go along with mass deportation (and the all time high for hitler comparisons). And building a wall which will probably cost america a fortune and be ineffective at stopping immigration.
BFIB
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Moore wasn't the only one.
Its unfuckingbelievable that Hillary's campaign staff missed this.
This was reported in a few other areas too, but it was just overlooked. No one thought he'd actually get those states, but the way this election went, everything, and I mean everything should have been off the table.
Just a fascinating election cycle, its going to be really interesting what comes out the other side, seeing this last grasp at old white men power.
fixedpoint
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How quaint - those are not "his" policies. Rust belt rednecks better keep stocking up on ammo because it takes a lot to counter a pen. And I have a pen.
SneakersSO
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You have to understand, the jobs aren't coming back, but those people CAN'T. GO. ANYWHERE. Oh, move to a big city? Cost of living just goes up 3x or more. Get an education so they can get another job - whose paying for that education? They certainly can't. They're stuck. This cracked article perfectly encapsulates what is happening right now in rural America.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
They just wanted someone that would acknowledge their plight. Trump did it. If Trump even provides a infrastructure project that would hire up these people even temporarily, that would be a huge boon to ailing populace that goes largely ignored in modern America.
UnObtainium17
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He'll probably accoplish ythe last 2.
Alligatorjandro
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I am afraid that this will embolden the racists who he targeted even more
So what does everyone think was specifically the tipping point? As much as many of us were thinking it, I really believe Hillary shouldn't have used the 'Basket of Deplorables' comment. It almost seemed out of character for her to same say something like that, and Trump's base rallied around that. Maybe nothing would have stopped the rust belt from going the way they did anyway.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I don't think people who supported him would turn against him as long as those violations aren't being done to people like themselves. They may not have joined up because of those ideas, but they weren't put off by them either.
Heavy_D206
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The biggest impact in my life comes from the boneheaded local voters in Seattle that voted yes on a ridiculously overpriced public transit initiative that won't fix anything for people who drive cars.
The President has very little impact on my day-to-day life.
My daily life involves interacting with women, muslims, immigrants, and LGBTQ people. "Politics" isn't something you can simply brush off. A lot of these policies reflect how you view your fellow human beings.
Sorry if old.
Conflicted on this. Obviously it's good that he hopefully won't go through with it, but it just angers me that his supporters completely bought his bullshit pandering.
Either way, he's a piece of shit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...rants-website-statement-removed-a7408466.html
Conflicted on this. Obviously it's good that he hopefully won't go through with it, but it just angers me that his supporters completely bought his bullshit pandering.
Either way, he's a piece of shit.
Pyroclastic
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good luck with the first four
Those are his stated policies, yes.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's not just the presidency that's about to go to shit.
ThePrequelsSuck
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You guys realize that Trump only wants to get rid of illegal immigration, right?
By saying "He wants to every single Mexican out of the U.S.", you are blatantly lying to suit your agenda.
By saying "He wants to every single Mexican out of the U.S.", you are blatantly lying to suit your agenda.
meanspartan
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Nate Silver was vindicated. Kept saying Trump had a very real 30-40% chance when no other aggregator did. Ya that still gave the edge to Hillary, but Hillary won the popular vote, so seems about right to me overall. Silver was shit on by HuffPost and others whose models showing Trump with less than 10% chance of winning, and he warned on his podcast repeatedly that things with a one-third chance happen all the damn time. I'm sorry I doubted him.
All the other aggregators need to close up shop.
Also, props to that Marist poll saying Clinton +1 when everyone else was saying she was +3-6, even Fox and Gravis. They are my A+ pollster going forward. The rest can eat shit.
All the other aggregators need to close up shop.
Also, props to that Marist poll saying Clinton +1 when everyone else was saying she was +3-6, even Fox and Gravis. They are my A+ pollster going forward. The rest can eat shit.
About 3-4 weeks ago when Hillary started campaigning for the downticket instead of securing her position and then the subsequent Comey bombshell 2 weeks later. She had no idea the silent majority in FL, PA, WI, and MI would end up leaning the states towards Trump but if she had stuck to her guns and not gotten overconfident, she may have still squeaked out a win.
People saw this as scare tactics to try to get more people out to vote.
Pretty scary how on point this was.
Why is illegal immigration a problem? It's literally net zero right now. It's never been lower.
PsychoSoldier
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The millions of people likely to get their health care cut are going to have their lives affected in an enormous way.
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