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[VindicatorZ]

That's sort of my biggest concern.

Prior Final Fantasy games came out and we took them or we left them. If we didn't like FFVIII, well FFIX was a year later, and then FFX came out a year after that. We got the games, warts and all, and we played them, made our opinions, and simply moved on to the next original game. We didn't spent a whole year patching FFVIII's Draw System and prolonged GF summon animations or redoing Laguna's story sections over and over. We took what we got, flaws and all, and then happily looked forward to the next thing.

I want to look forward to FFXVI, not a year of FFXV patches and DLC.

Plz be excited

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Eh, Witcher 3 is my personal GOTY but I think we'd both be lying if we said that it doesn't have its fair share of jank, glitches, framerate problems, and unpolished shit all around, especially what it had at launch. Combine that with the constant updates to get rid of that and make gameplay changes as well, I think you could very well make an argument that the Witcher 3 "launched unfinished" if we're using the same cynical logic.

I can't speak for FFXV's polish in relation to other FF games, but there's the obvious factor in the game being set in an open-world structure. Having played a good chunk of them, FFXV is not any more or less polished than most. It's certainly far, far more intricate in what it does than FFXIII (which I unfortunately played).

In terms of the story? Yeah, the story's a hot mess. Not making any excuses for it. But while I'm sure you're only bringing it up in terms of a contributing factor to the game feeling unfinished, I'm certain you don't think that alone is a reason for the game to be considered one. Not to mention the game's troubled history that resulted in the plot being a mess. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the story will continue to be a hot mess even after all these patches and updates, this game's story is what it is.

If you want unfinished, see something like KOTOR II. That's a game that REALLY launched unfinished. FFXV is just a mess of a story and your standard open-world jank, but "unfinished" is a stretch, and "early access" like some here are saying is just laughable.



I'm playing it at release and will continue to do so, this news is just letting me know that I have a reason to replay it some months down the line when they've stopped patching the game. Really don't see where I'm supposed to be frustrated at this.

SE just gave them additional resources to keep working on the game. And knowing how spliced together the final product was, these are welcome changes that are coming over the course of several months for free.

I understand the desire to play a GOTY version with all the updates and trimmings. I've certainly waited on plenty of games for that reason. But it'd be silly of me to expect "all updates and trimmings" on any game (single or multiplayer) at launch. I would've been surprised if they had never patched the game. That they're revealing the patches are substantial is a positive for me, not a negative.

I'm not telling you to be frustrated. Why are you trying to tell others how they should react?

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Read my post again. I said outside of Internet gamers, not neogaf.

So you're counting on all those people who bought FFXV and never look up games on the internet? Yes, I agree those people probably won't care.

Edit: Damn double post

 

[Adaren]

Why can't you guys enjoy the game and laugh at its bad parts at the same time? It's way better and much more entertaining that way.

TBH, I'm kind of glad that the storytelling is so awful. Like, it isn't just normal bad; it's memorably awful.

That's much better than it just being "Meh, whatever, passable".

(And I'm only on Chapter 6; everything I've read on GAF tells me that things are just going to get better!)

 

[Zakalwe]

I'm in chapter 9
Is really chapter 13 that bad?
Should I just wait for the patch?

The mechanics of it aren't that bad, I enjoyed most of them. It goes on 50% too long and gets highly repetitive.

It has some good beats though, the ending is great and some of the atmosphere is very good.

It's nowhere near as the hyperbole crowd is making it seem, but it is a low point in the game.

 

[n0razi]

Well now I'm glad Ive been doodle dawdling in Chapter 3 for the past 25 hours.

 

[z1ggy]

Playing the game i dont see where the resources went all these years of work, having that huge team working on the game.

 

[Pygrus]

There's really hot much they need to do to "fix" this game:

1. Add some exposition at the start to explain the world, the history of the royal line, the world, etc... and add a little to various cutscene la to pad out the story.

2. Give Jared, Luna, Ardyn, more context/backstory so they feel like fully realised characters.

3. Shorten c13 by half.

4. Fix the camera for combat including making trees translucent.

5. Add a mobile phone menu for Noct where you can pick up/hand in side quests.

They could add better tutorials for combat and a gambit system for your team mates, even a simple one with options like "take potion at X health" "when party leader draws magic, move behind him", etc...

It really wouldn't take a lot to iron out this game's main issues, which makes these "early access" comments even more absurd.



Yeh, it's really shitty that they're going to bother fixing this stuff based on fan feedback. Terrible behaviour!

I don't even think they need to do that much. Just fill in plot holes and flesh out the supporting cast a bit more and I will be really happy.

 

[AkirraKrylon]

SMH, this game is nowhere near "early access" status.

Are people just throwing terms around now?

The people saying this nonsense probably haven't even played the game.

Like you said it's not even close to an "early access" experience. Play the game from start to finish right now and the only little bit you are missing are some side story bits on secondary characters.

People need to chill the fuck out.

 

[butman]

Please include taking multiple hunts quest. Pick only one is a pain in the ass.

 

[Zakalwe]

I don't even think they need to do that much. Just fill in plot holes and flesh out the supporting cast a bit more and I will be really happy.

Aside from the gambit idea the rest is fairly minimal. They could easily achieve it and put he most popular complaints to rest.

But yeh, I it was all we got I'd be satiafied with a coherent story too.

TBH, I'm kind of glad that the storytelling is so awful. Like, it isn't just normal bad; it's memorably awful.

That's much better than it just being "Meh, whatever, passable".

(And I'm only on Chapter 6; everything I've read on GAF tells me that things are just going to get better!)

The storyline is good, the ending is actually very good. He problem is the disjointed nature and lack of exposition.

 

[z1ggy]

The people saying this nonsense probably haven't even played the game.

Like you said it's not even close to an "early access" experience. Play the game from start to finish right now and the only little bit you are missing are some side story bits on secondary characters.

People need to chill the fuck out.

I´m playing the game and it's a mess.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Man people calling this game 'early access' now?

This might be the most feature complete and polished 'early access' game that I have played, and that easily tops my GOTY list.

 

[semiconscious]

holy heck

what other games have patches that change the story post-launch?

what other games have needed them? ...

 

[Zakalwe]

So you're counting on all those people who bought FFXV and never look up games on the internet? Yes, I agree those people probably won't care.

Edit: Damn double post

Yes.
Those people.
Who make up the vast majority of gamers.

The Internet vocal minority are a tiny fraction of gamers. If we then consider the fact that opinion on this game is divided almost 50/50, the minority of dissent grows even tinier.

The game is nowhere near in the terrible state this tiny fraction are making it seem with their extremely vocal complaints, which is the point I was trying to make.

This vocal minority nit pick to the highest degree. They use hyperbole like "early access" "worst story ever" "just a terrible game overall" "people who like it are stupid" etc...

It's embarrassing at times.

 

[TheDangerMan]

I'm in chapter 9
Is really chapter 13 that bad?
Should I just wait for the patch?

It's not so bad that you should dodge it, it's just EXTREMELY tedious (I imagine it's not as bad if you expect it to be terrible either, I went in not knowing anything about it). It's somewhat similar to walking down the same corridor for 2-3hrs in row while hearing the exact same message every 5 minutes. It isn't fun, you don't feel in any danger whatsoever, you aren't looking forward to the payoff after a while even - you just want it to be over.

I can't believe their idea to fix it is to buff you, you are already pretty damned over powered. This issue is the length of it and the repetitiveness.

 

[AkirraKrylon]

One thing I desperately hope they patch in is the ability to explore

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World of Ruin Lucis. Just let us out of the Hammerhead gate, PLEASE. It'd be the ultimate endgame playground to level up and explore the battle system against the giant never ending hordes of daemons.

Idk how to even go about trying to get the dev team's attention on this. I'd imagine it's something pretty much everyone would want. That entire section of the game is ALREADY DEVELOPED. Just let us go out there. Yank out all the

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NPCs and shops and motels and gas stations. Even if safe havens were the only thing you could interact with (and dungeons). Let us use Talcott's truck, even. Or just on foot if that's the best we can do.

Need it so bad.

 

[RangerX]

Yeh, it's really shitty that they're going to bother fixing this stuff based on fan feedback. Terrible behaviour!

Or they could have kept the game in development longer till it was actually finished rather than following this trend of releasing unfinished games for a quick cash injection. The narrative and pacing in this game is an absolute mess that a chimp could write.

 

[Pygrus]

One thing I desperately hope they patch in is the ability to explore

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World of Ruin Lucis. Just let us out of the Hammerhead gate, PLEASE. It'd be the ultimate endgame playground to level up and explore the battle system against the giant never ending hordes of daemons.

Idk how to even go about trying to get the dev team's attention on this. I'd imagine it's something pretty much everyone would want. That entire section of the game is ALREADY DEVELOPED. Just let us go out there.

Speculation seems to be that the co-op DLC will take place there.

 

[megalowho]

There's really hot much they need to do to "fix" this game:

1. Add some exposition at the start to explain the world, the history of the royal line, the world, etc... and add a little to various cutscene la to pad out the story.

2. Give Jared, Luna, Ardyn, more context/backstory so they feel like fully realised characters.

3. Shorten c13 by half.

4. Fix the camera for combat including making trees translucent.

5. Add a mobile phone menu for Noct where you can pick up/hand in side quests.

They could add better tutorials for combat and a gambit system for your team mates, even a simple one with options like "take potion at X health" "when party leader draws magic, move behind him", etc...

It really wouldn't take a lot to iron out this game's main issues, which makes these "early access" comments even more absurd.



Yeh, it's really shitty that they're going to bother fixing this stuff based on fan feedback. Terrible behaviour!

Pretty good list. I'd add Iedolas and Ravus to those that need more screen time and exposition. Would like to see more done with Cor and Aranea as well, but their current roles aren't major issues.

Jared.. just make him an exposition dump when you reach Lestallum and maybe have a side quest or something, that'll do.

I'd love to see the gambit system return in some form.

 

[Pygrus]

Or they could have kept the game in development longer till it was actually finished rather than following this trend of releasing unfinished games for a quick cash injection. The narrative and pacing in this game is an absolute mess that a chimp could write.

I highly doubt Tabata was like "Lets just patch in the story".

It was most definitely the higher ups telling him he needed to release the game before the end of 2016.

 

[n0razi]

Playing the game i dont see where the resources went all these years of work, having that huge team working on the game.

I just want them to add some more lines so I dont hear the same thing about my fishing line breaking every 5 minutes or the same compliment of every one of Prompto's photos

 

[RedlineRonin]

Man people calling this game 'early access' now?

This might be the most feature complete and polished 'early access' game that I have played, and that easily tops my GOTY list.

It's Gaf, right? Hyperbole its native tongue.

I just don't get why people are so upset. The value proposition was what it was when the game launched. You could choose to spend money for the perceived value of the game when it launched, or not. Now the value proposition has changed (hopefully for the better with all the changes) for people who haven't experienced the game yet.

But the fact that the value proposition is going to change and all these people are mad that it's not the value proposition that was available at launch is kind of crazy.

 

[Zakalwe]

Or they could have kept the game in development longer till it was actually finished rather than following this trend of releasing unfinished games for a quick cash injection. The narrative and pacing in this game is an absolute mess that a chimp could write.

Obviously that would have been preferable.

They don't need to do this though, not to the extent they proposed. They could very easily have just continued to add dlc and left the main game as it is. Therefore I'm very grateful they chose to fix things.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

im enjoying chapter 13, its a nice change of pace

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Yes.
Those people.
Who make up the vast majority of gamers.

The Internet vocal minority are a tiny fraction of gamers. If we then consider the fact that opinion on this game is divided almost 50/50, the minority of dissent grows even tinier.

The game is nowhere near in the terrible state this tiny fraction are making it seem with their extremely vocal complaints, which is the point I was trying to make.

This vocal minority nit pick to the highest degree. They use hyperbole like "early access" "worst story ever" "just a terrible game overall" "people who like it are stupid" etc...

It's embarrassing at times.

I don't think I've seen a single person write 'people who like it are stupid'. You're welcome to enjoy the game I don't think others expressing their frustrating is intended to bring you down in any way. I disagree that the entire online gaming community is unrepresentative of people who would buy FFXV in general. The main point though is I don't think any of the people who are frustrated are in any way trying to attack or or invalidate your feelings towards the game in the way you are attempting to invalidate theirs

 

[Son Of Sparda]

TBH, I'm kind of glad that the storytelling is so awful. Like, it isn't just normal bad; it's memorably awful.

That's much better than it just being "Meh, whatever, passable".

(And I'm only on Chapter 6; everything I've read on GAF tells me that things are just going to get better!)

Yeah, I completely agree with you on that. If it was bad then it would've bothered me. But right now it's just a "so bad that actually makes it good" kinda thing that makes it just memorable to play through and laugh at.

Like, I can't even imagine how could anyone take this story and the way it's presented in the game seriously.

 

[Adaren]

The storyline is good, the ending is actually very good. He problem is the disjointed nature and lack of exposition.

I could believe it, but that's distinction between storyline and storytelling. All the good story ideas in the world don't matter if they're conveyed in a way that's noteworthily bad.

But, as I said, at least it's memorable.

 

[Lynx_7]

Well that's a new way to add replayability. lol
I'm glad they're doing this and I hope the additions are significant enough to warrant a second playthrough.

Can't wait for FF XV Golden.

 

[AkirraKrylon]

Speculation seems to be that the co-op DLC will take place there.

Really? I haven't seen that speculated anywhere....


That'd be cool I suppose but I still would want access to that without having to worry about teaming up with other people.

 

[meerak]

I´m playing the game and it's a mess.

Playing the game i dont see where the resources went all these years of work, having that huge team working on the game.

Wait a minute... are you two sure about that...?

Because I'm ALSO playing the game and it seems great! Could it really be so!?

How!? Two truths at once!? Is the world turning in on itself!? Are there TWO versions of this reality!? How could I be having fun in this game!? My mind is splitting... almost... almost as if... what people say means nothing..

*explodes*

Stop complaining. The game is great. They're making it better. Based on your responses you both clearly made a bad, uneducated decision. Just return the game and get a refund and save us your foot stamping. You people make all arguments cartoonish and impossible to take seriously.

 

[Zakalwe]

I don't I've seen a single person write 'people who like it are stupid'. You're welcome to enjoy the game I don't think others expressing their frustrating is intended to bring you down in any way. I disagree that the entire online gaming community is unrepresentative of people who would buy FFXV in general. The main point though is I don't think any of the people who are frustrated are in any way trying to attack or or invalidate your feelings towards the game in the way you are attempting to invalidate theirs

Have you been in many gaf threads for divisive games? It very often goes as far as a very vocal group of dissenters implying that those who enjoy the game are wrong/stupid.

Destiny is a semi-recent example. A thread couldn't go a single page without this kind of BS taking over the discussion.

The XV OT, spoiler thread, and this one all have people making comments like "only an idiot could enjoy the story" "you'd have to be mad to say the combat is good" etc...

It gets really tiring to read.

I could believe it, but that's distinction between storyline and storytelling. All the good story ideas in the world don't matter if they're conveyed in a way that's noteworthily bad.

But, as I said, at least it's memorable.

The way the story is delivered is absolutely fine overall, it literally just needs a few more cutscenes and some added character context.

 

[Muffdraul]

I personally do not get the absolute hatred for Chapter 13. I did not think it lasted as long as some people said. It took me about an hour maybe a bit more to go through it. I kind of liked the change of pace with it. The only thing I did not like was the lack of explanation of quite a number of things in the chapter and overall up to that point. Hopefully the supposed additions they are planning to the game help alleviate that problem.

I admit I was annoyed when I reached a certain point

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i.e. finding Ravus' corpse

and thinking it was over, only to find it was far from it. But generally I think the bitching about it is way overblown. Personally I tend to like it when games (and bands and other things) suddenly take a bizarre left turn. I like being surprised, I like not knowing wtf to expect. I liked that Ch. 13 reminded me so much of RE and Silent Hill. I liked that it was a change of pace, it didn't have me shaking my fist at the TV going "motherfucking pacing issues!"

If anything bugs me, it's that they're patching it. I want developers to have a vision and stick by it, for better or worse.

 

[WordsintheWater]

There's really hot much they need to do to "fix" this game:

1. Add some exposition at the start to explain the world, the history of the royal line, the world, etc... and add a little to various cutscene la to pad out the story.

2. Give Jared, Luna, Ardyn, more context/backstory so they feel like fully realised characters.

3. Shorten c13 by half.

4. Fix the camera for combat including making trees translucent.

5. Add a mobile phone menu for Noct where you can pick up/hand in side quests.

They could add better tutorials for combat and a gambit system for your team mates, even a simple one with options like "take potion at X health" "when party leader draws magic, move behind him", etc...

It really wouldn't take a lot to iron out this game's main issues, which makes these "early access" comments even more absurd.



Yeh, it's really shitty that they're going to bother fixing this stuff based on fan feedback. Terrible behaviour!

Those things you pointed out, mostly 1, and 2, did they really need feedback for those? Especially freaking number 1. They didn't need any feedback to know that, but they went ahead and released it that way anyways. They are little things that could have been added that would go a long way, but they didn't. They should have known better.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Have you been in many gaf threads for divisive games? It very often goes as far as a very vocal group of dissenters implying that those who enjoy the game are wrong/stupid.

Destiny is a semi-recent example. A thread couldn't go a single page without this kind of BS taking over the discussion.

The XV OT, spoiler thread, and this one all have people making comments like "only an idiot could enjoy the story" "you'd have to be mad to say the combat is good" etc...

It gets really tiring to read.

Don't you think it's tiring for people to read you constantly telling them their opinion is worthless just because you disagree with them? People are allowed to share their opinions. No one is trying to take yours away

 

[z1ggy]

Wait a minute... are you two sure about that...?

Because I'm ALSO playing the game and it seems great! Could it really be so!?

How!? Two truths at once!? Is the world turning in on itself!? Are there TWO versions of this reality!? How could I be having fun in this game!? My mind is splitting... almost... almost as if... what people say means nothing..

*explodes*

Stop complaining. The game is great. They're making it better. Based on your responses you both clearly made a bad, uneducated decision. Just return the game and get a refund and save us your foot stamping. You people make all arguments cartoonish and impossible to take seriously.

I'm happy that you find the game great, i don´t. And nope, i own all FF and i dont/wont sell them.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Why the hell would I keep playing then lmao. I'll stop at chapter 10 until more content comes out.

 

[hamchan]

I think Jared has all the backstory he needs.

 

[Zakalwe]

Those things you pointed out, mostly 1, and 2, did they really need feedback for those? Especially freaking number 1. They didn't need any feedback to know that, but they went ahead and released it that way anyways. They are little things that could have been added that would go a long way, but they didn't. They should have known better.

And they're not obligated to fix anything now. They could just milk it for dlc and enough would buy for a profit.

The updates they're proposing are nowhere near the norm, I think it's very clear they actually care about the state of the game.

Yes, it's shit we didn't get this at release, but it's commendable they're commited to fixing it.

 

[robertoci]

I'm enjoying the game and up to chapter 8 after 30 hours but I think I'll wait for the updates to play it again, needed something to get me away from it haha.

Also some people are hyperbolic about this game, heard the term mess bring thrown about, mess is what you'd call Ride to Hell Retribution.

It may have it's problems but I think with all the development hell this game has gone through I'm amazed that it's still a blast to play and hasn't gotten old.

 

[Tyaren]

Playing the game i dont see where the resources went all these years of work, having that huge team working on the game.

Also finding cool rocks.

 

[Pygrus]

I could believe it, but that's distinction between storyline and storytelling. All the good story ideas in the world don't matter if they're conveyed in a way that's noteworthily bad.

But, as I said, at least it's memorable.

That's the weird thing about this game. There are story points that are conveyed really well and there are story points that are conveyed terribly.

That's why I'm excited to see what they can add with these patches to flesh out the parts i had issues with.

 

[WordsintheWater]

And they're not obligated to fix anything now. They could just milk it for dlc and enough would buy for a profit.

The updates they're proposing are nowhere near the norm, I think it's very clear they actually care about the state of the game.

Yes, it's shit we didn't get this at release, but it's commendable they're commited to fixing it.

Oh, okay I misunderstood your viewpoint to be honest. I have the same idea, I'm upset it wasn't released the way they intended, but I'm glad they are doing something about it.

 

[Audioboxer]

Pretty much summed up to "please don't buy this incomplete kickstarter project just yet" lol.

 

[cackhyena]

I just want them to add some more lines so I dont hear the same thing about my fishing line breaking every 5 minutes or the same compliment of every one of Prompto's photos

Lol so true with the food bullshit. Who cares about that stuff?

 

[Zakalwe]

Don't you think it's tiring for people to read you constantly telling them their opinion is worthless just because you disagree with them? People are allowed to share their opinions. No one is trying to take yours away

Hyperbole is worthless to any kind of productive discussion. This goes for mindless praise, too.

People not liking the game are utterly valid if they're presenting their opinions without it.

And some people /are/ trying to take away the opinions of those who enjoy it with the examples I made in the comment you quoted. Happens all the time on gaf, and it's embarrassing

 

[meerak]

I'm happy that you find the game great, i don´t. And nope, i own all FF and i dont/wont sell them.

Does not compute.. Either you are exaggerating how much you dislike the game, or you just live a life I can't fathom.

Do you want to play the game or not? If you think it's a mess, but you still want to play, it can't be that big of a mess, can it?

I never understand the "this game is all messed up but I'm gonna keep it" mentality. Unless money to you means nothing, in which case I guess OK, makes sense. Fine.

Sounds like you bought FFXV and maybe are even keeping it for a bad reason? I own all the FF games except for XIII - it was legitimately the only one I didn't love.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Sounds good to me. Im 20 hours into it and considering dropping it (it's kinda boring). Good excuse to shelf it and play stuff I enjoy more for a while.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Hyperbole is worthless to any kind of productive discussion. This goes for mindless praise, too.

People not liking the game are utterly valid if they're presenting their opinions without it.

And some people /are/ trying to take away the opinions of those who enjoy it with the examples I made in the comment you quoted. Happens all the time on gaf, and it's embarrassing

I agree it's embarrassing but I also think you should take a look at your own posting history a little more carefully as well

 

[Audioboxer]

Lol so true with the food bullshit. Who cares about that stuff?

It's a nice cosmetic touch... on top of a complete game. Kind of like how Yakuza always has a nice whisky/drinks compilation with info.

I've got both WoFF and FF15 now. Will go back to completing WoFF first. FF15 can wait longer considering I'm pretty bored a few hours in anyway. The game really isn't what I wanted from a FF.