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[Platy]

I was talking about current Nintendo. Not their whole history.

Here is the list again with only those avaliable in either the wiiu or the 3ds :

Third Person Shooter (Splatoon).
First Person Shooter (Metroid Federation Force and Steel Diver: Sub Wars[)
Character Action (Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101).
Action-Adventure (Zelda).
Turn-based RPG (Mario & Luigi, Pokemon).
SRPG (Fire Emblem).
Real-time Strategy (Pikmin).
Survival Horror (Luigi's Mansion).
Board Game (Mario Party).
Minigame Collection (Warioware, Nintendoland)
2D Platformer (Mario, Yoshi, Wario land, Donkey Kong).
Baseball (Mario Superstar).
Soccer (Mario Superstar).
Tennis (Mario Tennis, Mario Superstar).
Golf (Mario Golf, Mario Superstar).
Kart Racing (Mario Kart).
2D Fighter (Smash Bros).
3D Platformer (Mario).
Rail Shooter (Star Fox).
Rhythm (Rhythm Heaven).
Puzzle (Dr. Mario, Picross).
Action RPG (Paper Mario Color Splash).
MMO-like RPG (Xenoblade).
Fitness (Wii Fit).
Simulation (Animal Crossing, Tomodachi Life, Nintendogs).
3D Fighter (Pokken).

Mario Sports Superstar also includes Horse Racing.
Forgoten on the list that was released in WiiU or 3DS is painting (Art Style), Crosswords, whatever miitopia is, brain train, Tower defense (Star Fox Guard) and others like wtf is sakura samurai and the first steel diver

 

[RibMan]

So basically, the last time they made a game was 2013.

That's who we're comparing this hypothetical third-party Nintendo to?

If you want to ignore that the last game they made came out in 2015, sure.

 

[Kodiak]

Edit: nah...

 

[goldenpp72]

No, but they would try even less new IP.

 

[archreaper93]

Spoiler

Luigis Mansion as survival horror is a bit lolworthy

Luigi's Mansion I consider to be a supernatural comedy like the Ghostbusters. It's not really horror but it can contain some of the tropes of one.

I think it's close enough to count (even if you probably won't get scared from it unless you're young).

(why basketball and soccer and not just 'sports'?).

In case someone went "Well not THIS sport."

 

[Mael]

What is the cost of running Retro Studios vs the cost of running their other studios?

To begin with the office, it's an office that is rather lonely against their other Jpn studios.
US employees are also not cheap so they would probably be among the 1rst to be cut (especially since they don't produce all that much and are pretty inessential to Nintendo's output). It's also one of the places where you don't have old senior management that will be hard to cut too.

It's because we haven't heard anything about people not wanting to work at Nintendo due to horrific work conditions or a Crytek-like labor compensation system. Unless of course you know something that we don't know about Nintendo's treatment of employees that has had an effect on turning away talented people from the company.

If they go 3rst parties, their corporate culture is DEAD. They're going to fire their hardware teams and people will move fast out of the company.
How would that make the company more attractive that the unlimited budget wonderland they have now exactly?

I have faith that Nintendo has enough talent and enough money to port a game. Also, I'm confident Bluepoint Games wouldn't be incapable and or opposed to handling a Nintendo game on a different platform.

Will that talent still work at Nintendo?

GTA is as big as it is because it is the best in its class. Watch_Dogs, Saints Row, Sleeping Dogs: all games that have a following that's big but not GTA big. Back when Nintendo had an installbase, they were able to shift over 36 million copies of Mario Kart. I don't think people on other consoles and PC would be opposed to playing the best kart racing franchise with the highest selling racing game of all time, the best platformer with the highest selling platforming game of all time, the best pet fighting game with the highest selling pet fighting game of all time, etc. The care in Nintendo games won't go down due to a higher market. If that were the case, then people would be actively freaking out about the Switch combining their console and handheld market, creating a pool of potential Nintendo fans that is bigger and deeper than ever before. Are people concerned about the Switch affecting the 'care' behind Nintendo games?

Mario Kart will sell anywhere really.
Stuffs like that will still be made.
3D Mario will see its budget cut (unless it's a prestige project of course).
Zelda will see budget cuts and go through the AAA grinder we see other companies use or just stop being made.
If the products they sell isn't enough to carry an install base, it certainly won't be enough to see the kind of growth that is needed to even get the same financial result they got when they weren't 3rd party.
If they go 3rd party, they will either push their own platform or go to low cost platforms where profits are high.
What you don't do in that case is go right back to the red ocean that destroy publishers with high costs.

If you want to ignore that the last game they made came out in 2015, sure.

Good thing Nintendo released Metroid this year on the NES mini classic then.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

If you want to ignore that the last game they made came out in 2015, sure.

It's a port of a game, lol. This is like arguing that Metroid is still a healthy franchise because Nintendo ported the original to the NES mini.

 

[RibMan]

To begin with the office, it's an office that is rather lonely against their other Jpn studios.
US employees are also not cheap so they would probably be among the 1rst to be cut (especially since they don't produce all that much and are pretty inessential to Nintendo's output). It's also one of the places where you don't have old senior management that will be hard to cut too.


If they go 3rst parties, their corporate culture is DEAD. They're going to fire their hardware teams and people will move fast out of the company.
How would that make the company more attractive that the unlimited budget wonderland they have now exactly?



Will that talent still work at Nintendo?



Mario Kart will sell anywhere really.
Stuffs like that will still be made.
3D Mario will see its budget cut (unless it's a prestige project of course).
Zelda will see budget cuts and go through the AAA grinder we see other companies use or just stop being made.
If the products they sell isn't enough to carry an install base, it certainly won't be enough to see the kind of growth that is needed to even get the same financial result they got when they weren't 3rd party.
If they go 3rd party, they will either push their own platform or go to low cost platforms where profits are high.
What you don't do in that case is go right back to the red ocean that destroy publishers with high costs.



Good thing Nintendo released Metroid this year on the NES mini classic then.

Right.

I could always be wrong, and Nintendo going third party could result in a drop in the quality of their games. They could lose employees, they could lose their identity, Miyamoto could upend another tea table, etc. But Nintendo is in a significantly better position than Sega was after the death of the Dreamcast. I think the remarkable success of Super Mario Run on iOS serves as proof that there are millions of people without Nintendo hardware who are open and interested in playing Nintendo software. I think there are millions more on console and PC, and unlike Sega, Nintendo would be in a better position to appeal to both core and casual gamers on those platforms due to their very strong core IP (e.g. Smash Bros.) and very strong casual IP (e.g. Mario Kart).

I believe that the concern around the 'care' behind Nintendo software is a result of fear and not fact. I think people should have a little more faith in Nintendo's software talent and output capabilities.

It's a port of a game, lol. This is like arguing that Metroid is still a healthy franchise because Nintendo ported the original to the NES mini.

If that works for you then that's ok.

 

[Nanashrew]

To be honest I don't think Metroid has ever been that healthy with the amount of effort they put into it compared to how much money they get back.

The two biggest sellers in the franchise are the original Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 IIRC. If similar games in the genre can't do well on other platforms, I don't expect Metroid to perform any better off of Nintendo's own system either. Costs of making games are only going up and the threshold to break even is going up with it.

EDIT: I also forgot about the money loss being 3rd party as well. They get 100% of the money back as 1st party.

 

[Mael]

Right.

I could always be wrong, and Nintendo going third party could result in a drop in the quality of their games. They could lose employees, they could lose their identity, Miyamoto could upend another tea table, etc. But Nintendo is in a significantly better position than Sega was after the death of the Dreamcast. I think the remarkable success of Super Mario Run on iOS serves as proof that there are millions of people without Nintendo hardware who are open and interested in playing Nintendo software. I think there are millions more on console and PC, and unlike Sega, Nintendo would be in a better position to appeal to both core and casual gamers on those platforms due to their very strong core IP (e.g. Smash Bros.) and very strong casual IP (e.g. Mario Kart).

I believe that the concern around the 'care' behind Nintendo software is a result of fear and not fact. I think people should have a little more faith in Nintendo's software talent and output capabilities.

They will not go 3rd party unless they're pushed to the extreme that Sega was pushed.
We already know that.
There's no basis to go into that argument from another position when we already know how big the hardware part of the business is to their model.
There is no reason to believe that destroying the corporate culture wouldn't affect their output.
The argument is similar to "would Ubisoft be a better company with Vivendi at the helm?".
We know from Vivendi's management and the recent fumblings of Vivendi that it's gonna be a bloodbath.
You can go and say that their talent is tremendous and they will have even more success.
1rst to begin with you destroy the company's way of working so that's gonna affect the result for sure.
2nd you actually cut into the revenue substantially by going from 3rd to 1rst party for the same product.
Something like Mario Kart will make significantly less money for Nintendo on software sale alone if you stay at the same sale volume (let alone about the added system sales and accessory sales).
Games will have to have reasons to exists, and by reasons I mean they will now have to show that each software earn the maximum amount of money possible unlike the current "let's round up the lineup" they have now.

To be honest I don't think Metroid has ever been that healthy with the amount of effort they put into it compared to how much money they get back.

The two biggest sellers in the franchise are the original Metroid and Metroid Prime 1 IIRC. If similar games in the genre can't do well on other platforms, I don't expect Metroid to perform any better off of Nintendo's own system either. Costs of making games are only going up and the threshold to break even is going up with it.

EDIT: I also forgot about the money loss being 3rd party as well. They get 100% of the money back as 1st party.

They also get revenue if other publishers push software on their platform, that's gone too.

 

[MAtgS]

Microsoft would actually fund Nintendo games we want, so I would expect quality to increase.

I want Banjo-Threeie, when are they funding that?

 

[crash-14]

lol at people saying will reduce their launches to Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (Even someones saying Animal Crossing).

Metroid Prime as a Multiplatform could work fine (Even better if they add multiplayer).
Mario Kart and Smash would have great potential too keep their growth.
Splatoon could be as huge as Overwatch if done the right decisions (The ones that weren't on the Wii U version).
And then things like DKC, Kirby, F-Zero or Wave Race could have their audience just like other platformers/arcade racing do.

In other hand, I love Bayonetta, but I know by a fact that the art style won't help the game in orde to gain the popularity it deserves. Just like it'll happen to NieR Automata and Gravity Rush 2.

What some Nintendo fans don't get it's that most people ain't whiling to spend 250-300
$-€ or whatever coin for play a few games in an obsolete system uless it provides something really different (Like Switch it's aiming).
So don't try to play the "If Wii U software sold bad with that software" card cuz it doesn't mean that many people like those franchise and totally buy it if they were multiplatform.

Also lol at people preteding Nintendo variety would be compromised, when it's already been for many years.

 

[Platy]

Microsoft would actually fund Nintendo games we want, so I would expect quality to increase.

Took a whole generation for then to make a new Killer Instinct and that is like Top2 RARE IPs

Being a microsoft 2nd party is a fate worst than death

lol at people saying will reduce their launches to Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (Even someones saying Animal Crossing).
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Also lol at people preteding Nintendo variety would be compromised, when it's already been for many years.

Talk to us about how many non Sonic IPs SEGA reused in the last years

We will only get Kirby, DK, F-zero and Wave Race if re-porting over and over old games count

 

[Linkstrikesback]

lol at people saying will reduce their launches to Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (Even someones saying Animal Crossing).

Ok firstly, animal crossing is honestly bigger than Zelda. Breath of the wild will not outsell animal crossing new leaf.

And when people say Mario, they mean all the big series that derive from him, which absolutely includes Mario kart. Smash bros is certainly included under that banner in my head too, and I assume others too (since the title super smash bros is obviously from super Mario Bros).

Also lol at people preteding Nintendo variety would be compromised, when it's already been for many years.

Even having the list someone wrote in this thread showing a lot of variety posted multiple times and at the top of the page can't stop ignorance, of course.

 

[wonderful103]

lol at people saying will reduce their launches to Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (Even someones saying Animal Crossing).

Metroid Prime as a Multiplatform could work fine (Even better if they add multiplayer).
Mario Kart and Smash would have great potential too keep their growth.
Splatoon could be as huge as Overwatch if done the right decisions (The ones that weren't on the Wii U version).
And then things like DKC, Kirby, F-Zero or Wave Race could have their audience just like other platformers/arcade racing do.

In other hand, I love Bayonetta, but I know by a fact that the art style won't help the game in orde to gain the popularity it deserves. Just like it'll happen to NieR Automata and Gravity Rush 2.

What some Nintendo fans don't get it's that most people ain't whiling to spend 250-300
$-€ or whatever coin for play a few games in an obsolete system uless it provides something really different (Like Switch it's aiming).
So don't try to play the "If Wii U software sold bad with that software" card cuz it doesn't mean that many people like those franchise and totally buy it if they were multiplatform.

Also lol at people preteding Nintendo variety would be compromised, when it's already been for many years.

Yes the ps4 is the holy grail of futuristic racers, platformers, and light hearted family fare. I also can't wait to play the newest dead space.

 

[Crayolan]

Big name franchises would be fine, like Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing. Anything not a multi-million seller would probably be dead, and big-name new IPs would be even less frequent than they are now.

 

[AquaWateria]

If they're are threads I wholeheartedly despise its threads about Nintendo going full third party. Like imagine a thread about Sony or Microsoft going third party, people would go apeshit.

Honestly the worst part is people who want Nintendo go full third party don't realize a shitload of people would have to be laid off.

Also people that say Nintendo don't provide variety are delusional especially if they're ignoring the 3DS.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

If they're are threads I wholeheartedly despise its threads about Nintendo going full third party. Like imagine a thread about Sony or Microsoft going third party, people would go apeshit.

Honestly the worst part is people who want Nintendo go full third party don't realize a shitload of people would have to be laid off.

Also people that say Nintendo don't provide variety are delusional especially if they're ignoring the 3DS.

Theres a thread on the front page thats being pretty brutal to xbox right now, questioning if its even possible for them to win a console generation.

 

[LordRaptor]

The opposite would happen. If you're a super talented basketball player, but you're playing with shoes that are making practice and games difficult, common sense says that when you're given better shoes you're not going to play worse. You're going to be able to move better, react better, and pull off even more tricks on the court.

This is a legitimately awful analogy, but if you really want to run with it, its more like one minute you're the Harlem Globetrotters and playing matches for showmanship and entertainment, and completely dismissed as a joke by enthusiast basketball fans, and the next you're sponsored by Adidas and expected to outplay teams like the Spurs and win the NBA championship first year round

 

[Nanashrew]

lol at people saying will reduce their launches to Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (Even someones saying Animal Crossing).

Metroid Prime as a Multiplatform could work fine (Even better if they add multiplayer).
Mario Kart and Smash would have great potential too keep their growth.
Splatoon could be as huge as Overwatch if done the right decisions (The ones that weren't on the Wii U version).
And then things like DKC, Kirby, F-Zero or Wave Race could have their audience just like other platformers/arcade racing do.

In other hand, I love Bayonetta, but I know by a fact that the art style won't help the game in orde to gain the popularity it deserves. Just like it'll happen to NieR Automata and Gravity Rush 2.

What some Nintendo fans don't get it's that most people ain't whiling to spend 250-300
$-€ or whatever coin for play a few games in an obsolete system uless it provides something really different (Like Switch it's aiming).
So don't try to play the "If Wii U software sold bad with that software" card cuz it doesn't mean that many people like those franchise and totally buy it if they were multiplatform.

Also lol at people preteding Nintendo variety would be compromised, when it's already been for many years.

And what you don't understand is the subsidization of the company after they leave the console business, thus shrinking as a company. Bye bye Retro, bye bye major partners, bye bye most every subsidiary as they'll be merged into their R&D. Bye bye variety of content forcing them to focus on few titles and less chance to take risks or calculated risks.

Like hell you're getting most HAL games on those systems. Nintendo doesn't own HAL, it's a partner that's just dedicated to Nintendo's platform since the arrangement through Iwata and saving them from bankruptcy. Kirby would likely move to phones and not be as good as what we're getting now.

F-Zero wouldn't be anymore alive than it is now, Wave Race is laughable you bring up because there are no jetski games anymore. Arcade racers and the subgenres within don't sale compared to sim car racers.

Metroidvania games don't sell big numbers, the genre that Metroid is a part of. Metroid barely gets by even on Nintendo's most popular systems as it is, and no one really wants multiplayer in Metroid.

So what you have here is Mario Kart, 3D Mario (if that survives on other systems), Smash Bros., Zelda, Splatoon, and Animal Crossing.

Now comes the divide. Where does animal Crossing go? PS4 and Xbox is a dead end, Animal Crossing got bigger going portable. So it's obviously going to phones. Actually, PS4 and Xbox family has no family games that have survived. Family games do better on Nintendo's system, even on their worst failing platforms.

Fire Emblem? They're recently getting more popular thanks to a big shake up, I can see an increase in budget, but nowhere near enough for a major console title after going 3rd party. Phones it goes.

I can see a loooot of Nintendo titles with a very split userbase trying to figure out where the best place is for their demographic.

 

[DragonSworne]

Took a whole generation for then to make a new Killer Instinct and that is like Top2 RARE IPs

Being a microsoft 2nd party is a fate worst than death

I'm not suggesting Nintendo to become a second party. Just that if Nintendo becomes third party that opens up other companies coming to Nintendo to fund titles that they themselves aren't willing to fund or at least license out to another studio.

 

[Angel Whispers]

If they're are threads I wholeheartedly despise its threads about Nintendo going full third party. Like imagine a thread about Sony or Microsoft going third party, people would go apeshit.

Honestly the worst part is people who want Nintendo go full third party don't realize a shitload of people would have to be laid off.

Also people that say Nintendo don't provide variety are delusional especially if they're ignoring the 3DS.

AquaWateria, You certainly aren't alone there. Here's a confession... I use such threads as an indication of who to block and ignore, and at this point, I don't care who knows it. They never bring anything new to the table, only their concern-trolling, forum bullying and fanboyist folly. Well over 200, and that was before my three-year absence from this place - Hell, that was part of the reason I went away. There's being critical, which is fine and well, and there's vile, or bash-and-trash. However, More often than not, it's vile and bash-and-trash, sometimes presented under the veil of "discussion". It's entitlement. I don't know if you'll remember the Bayonetta 2 reveal. You had people saying Nintendo "stole their games" and "took food from their children's mouths", instead of giving them the credit and praise they deserved for making it possible in the first place. First, they wanted it on PS360 - THAT, RIGHT THERE, should tell you all you need to know about these people, because in the same breath, they told you about "shitty, dated hardware", when for a period, the Wii U was the most powerful home console on the market, without a Red Ring Of Death in sight. After the X4 reveals, they hid behind the "shitty, dated hardware" excuse, and were rightly called out on their BS. To quote Platinum Games, "they just didn't want it on the Wii U". They sound a lot like the redtop rag newspapers that demonise immigrants... You know, for "taking things" that they think should go to them instead, just because. URGH...

It isn't just the software. I'm here for all of the controller inputs. It should be embarrassing that this needs to be spelled out ot a site of so-called "games enthusiasts", but hardware does NOT start and end at the graphics card, and let's be honest... That's what these people REALLY mean. Games such as Wii Sports, LOZ: Skyward Sword, LOZ: Phantom HourGlass and Kirby: Power Paintbrush wouldn't be possible without their hardware. The quality of their games would drop because designing with the hardware in mind is a very important Nintendo development principle. Gaming isn't just "pressing a button on the same tired controllers". The Wii Remote and GamePad could change the way we play shooters or strategy games, for example. Then you realise that they're in the business of playing games consoles, hardware that never eclipses PCs... Yeah. It's real tiresome and pathetic, tbqh.

 

[pixelation]

95% of the thread will say yes. I say no... Nintendo would never allow for that to happen IMO.

 

[AquaWateria]

AquaWateria, You certainly aren't alone there. Here's a confession... I use such threads as an indication of who to block and ignore, and at this point, I don't care who knows it. They never bring anything new to the table, only their concern-trolling, forum bullying and fanboyist folly. Well over 200, and that was before my three-year absence from this place - Hell, that was part of the reason I went away. There's being critical, which is fine and well, and there's vile, or bash-and-trash. However, More often than not, it's vile and bash-and-trash, sometimes presented under the veil of "discussion". It's entitlement. I don't know if you'll remember the Bayonetta 2 reveal. You had people saying Nintendo "stole their games" and "took food from their children's mouths", instead of giving them the credit and praise they deserved for making it possible in the first place. First, they wanted it on PS360 - THAT, RIGHT THERE, should tell you all you need to know about these people, because in the same breath, they told you about "shitty, dated hardware", when for a period, the Wii U was the most powerful home console on the market, without a Red Ring Of Death in sight. After the X4 reveals, they hid behind the "shitty, dated hardware" excuse, and were rightly called out on their BS. To quote Platinum Games, "they just didn't want it on the Wii U". They sound a lot like the redtop rag newspapers that demonise immigrants... You know, "taking things" that they think should go to them instead, just because. URGH...

It isn't just the software. I'm here for all of the controller inputs. It should be embarrassing that this needs to be spelled out ot a site of so-called "games enthusiasts", but hardware does NOT start and end at the graphics card, and let's be honest... That's what these people REALLY mean. Games such as Wii Sports, LOZ: Skyward Sword, LOZ: Phantom HourGlass and Kirby: Power Paintbrush wouldn't be possible without their hardware. The quality of their games would drop because designing with the hardware in mind is a very important Nintendo development principle. Gaming isn't just "pressing a button on the same tired controllers". The Wii Remote and GamePad could change the way we play shooters or strategy games, for example. Then you realise that they're in the business of playing games consoles, hardware that never eclipses PCs... Yeah. It's real tiresome and pathetic, tbqh.

These days I feel like people on GAF talk more about games rather than playing them.

 

[Lionel Richie]

No, but they would try even less new IP.

 

[Shadynasty]

Didn't a Mario mobile game recently break some records? I'm thinking Nintendo IPs will be quality if they went third party, but why would they ever do that?

 

[Nanashrew]

Didn't a Mario mobile game recently break some records? I'm thinking Nintendo IPs will be quality if they went third party, but why would they ever do that?

That's because they're not too concerned on profit and made a design based game. Their strategy for mobile games right now is using them as marketing to raise awareness for their premium priced games and hardware. 3rd party Nintendo, this strategy would flip and be looking to profit from mobile more than marketing and converting people.

 

[rawbhawb]

I doubt there would be much change if Nintendo went third party. Nintendo would still:

-pump out their for sure sellers like Mario or Zelda

-occasionally make a new entry to something like Metroid or Pikmin

-randomly make a new entry to something dormant like Punch Out or Kid Icarus

-occasionally create new IP like Splatoon or Codename Steam

-publish something random because "screw it, why not?" like Bayo 2 or Devil's Third.

All the while thinking what they're funding is for sure quality.

They'd be making for other console, PC and mobile platforms but their mentality for software will stay the same.

 

[Shadynasty]

That's because they're not too concerned on profit and made a design based game. Their strategy for mobile games right now is using them as marketing to raise awareness for their premium priced games and hardware. 3rd party Nintendo, this strategy would flip and be looking to profit from mobile more than marketing and converting people.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325745

It sounds like they're making a nice chunk of change on a game they aren't too concerned on profiting on.

 

[crash-14]

Talk to us about how many non Sonic IPs SEGA reused in the last years

We will only get Kirby, DK, F-zero and Wave Race if re-porting over and over old games count

How can you compare the position SEGA is with Nintendo's?

Come on. SEGA NEVER had the time to build mainstream appeal to their console IP's outside of Sonic. It was an arcade deal to be honest. And when the market shifted, most of their iconic IP's fell apart cuz they couldn't cater to the console based player.

It makes no sense to compare them at this point...

Ok firstly, animal crossing is honestly bigger than Zelda. Breath of the wild will not outsell animal crossing new leaf.

And when people say Mario, they mean all the big series that derive from him, which absolutely includes Mario kart. Smash bros is certainly included under that banner in my head too, and I assume others too (since the title super smash bros is obviously from super Mario Bros).

Animal Crossing can be bigger in Nintendo Ecosystem. By no means that would transfer into a 3r party aproach. Specially knowing what's PS, Xbox and PC target. I'm positive Zelda would sell more than Animal Crossing in that scenario.

I'll give you the Mario statement.

Even having the list someone wrote in this thread showing a lot of variety posted multiple times and at the top of the page can't stop ignorance, of course.

Mario golf, mario tennis, mario that. Yeah, great diversity... Specially when some of them have no effort to develop (That's why they keep coming).

Just close your eyes to evidence. The truth it's you can count with one hand the new IP's Nintendo has tried since Wii U came out to really give diversity to the brand. And we could go back to Wii to be honest (Not just as a filler).

Yes the ps4 is the holy grail of futuristic racers, platformers, and light hearted family fare. I also can't wait to play the newest dead space.

futuristic racers in PS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OLVNDQfmCo

There are a couple more (Not WipEout/F-Zero clones). Yeah nothing that special but it has something.
And now they're porting WipEout so maybe in a near future they might make a new one, who knows.

There are also games from the other 2 genres too if we want to keep playing this game. Anyway, you're trying to miss my point (On purpose).

How can people say that Nintendo third party (Let's not put the broke scenario into this cuz then there's no debate to argue) would see his diversity compromised when Nintendo has only tried like 3-4 different things in the last ¿6 years? In that time Sony has failed with thing like Modnation Racers or Playstation Battle Royal, but has tried more than 3-4 things from their own studios.

It's not about not having certain genres. It's about creating new IP's even in the ones you're good at.

Hey, this could change January 12 (Which I think they would if they paid attention to Splatoon and Pokken), but at the moment it's like this.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Everyone's answer to this will be based on whether or not they want Nintendo to go third-party and any reasoning given will be considered incorrect by the other side. That's really what it comes down to other than a select few. We don't know, and we'll probably never know.

 

[Squire]

They'd be more beholden to the tastes and expectations of gamers on the other platforms. I don't know that quality would drop, but it would be fascinating to see how/if they would react to two audiences that can often have tastes very out of whack with their core customer base.

 

[Nanashrew]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325745

It sounds like they're making a nice chunk of change on a game they aren't too concerned on profiting on.

Yeah. They are concerned enough to a degree. They even said that if their mobile stuff doesn't work, then why bother? But I mean, if they were super concerned over profit they could have riddled Mario Run with F2P but they chose not too. Some will call it a mistake because it's not F2P and not reaching its sales potential but this is just marketing and making people aware of their IP.

Not to say they won't try out other sales models though, because they will, and already have before on at least the 3DS.

 

[Ridley327]

I'm not suggesting Nintendo to become a second party. Just that if Nintendo becomes third party that opens up other companies coming to Nintendo to fund titles that they themselves aren't willing to fund or at least license out to another studio.

I don't think anyone is going at Capcom is going to convince someone like Sony to bring back Darkstalkers when they can get Street Fighter instead. Someone like Sony or MS would like to have Nintendo on the roster, but not because they have Metroid.

 

[Oersted]

I doubt there would be much change if Nintendo went third party. Nintendo would still:

-pump out their for sure sellers like Mario or Zelda

-occasionally make a new entry to something like Metroid or Pikmin

-randomly make a new entry to something dormant like Punch Out or Kid Icarus

-occasionally create new IP like Splatoon or Codename Steam

-publish something random because "screw it, why not?" like Bayo 2 or Devil's Third.

All the while thinking what they're funding is for sure quality.

They'd be making for other console, PC and mobile platforms but their mentality for software will stay the same.

Why would Nintendo, a thirdparty in that scenario, fund games by a thirdparty developer?

 

[archreaper93]

I doubt there would be much change if Nintendo went third party. Nintendo would still:

-pump out their for sure sellers like Mario or Zelda

Yes.

-occasionally make a new entry to something like Metroid or Pikmin

No.

-randomly make a new entry to something dormant like Punch Out or Kid Icarus

No.

-occasionally create new IP like Splatoon or Codename Steam

No.

-publish something random because "screw it, why not?" like Bayo 2 or Devil's Third.

No.

 

[KojiKnight]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325745

It sounds like they're making a nice chunk of change on a game they aren't too concerned on profiting on.

4 million dollars isn't a whole lot, especially when you consider that NSMBU, on Wii U sold over 5.4 million copies and probably netted nintendo a 9 figure paycheck after R&D and retail cuts.

The odds of SMR making as much money as even the worst selling Mario Bros game on Nintendo's worst selling console of all time (sans virtual boy) is actually really slim.

 

[iHaunter]

We would see a lack in variety.

Lack variety?

90% of Nintendo games are recycled over and over and over with every generation.

Edit: I should specify games worth playing and of course I'm using hyperbole here, but they do recycle a shit ton of old games and have practically no new IPs.

 

[archreaper93]

They'd be more beholden to the tastes and expectations of gamers on the other platforms. I don't know that quality would drop, but it would be fascinating to see how/if they would react to two audiences that can often have tastes very out of whack with their core customer base.

Thinking about Nintendo being forced to make FPS/TPS/Open world games makes me actually want to vomit.

 

[KojiKnight]

Lack variety?

90% of Nintendo games are recycled over and over and over with every generation.

This is very intellectually dishonest for two reasons.

#1: Every big studio turns out sequels and remakes/remasters

#2: You know they are referencing games outside of the triad of Nintendo gaming. Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon (with some rich creamy Animal Crossing on the side)

 

[Nanashrew]

Lack variety?

90% of Nintendo games are recycled over and over and over with every generation.

Edit: I should specify games worth playing and of course I'm using hyperbole here, but they do recycle a shit ton of old games and have practically no new IPs.

You mean they have no new long running series. Nintendo makes a lot of small one-off games, some that may get 3 games total in a series. It's no different than it was in the NES era with one-off games like Ice Climbers etc.

So I guess people want even less from Nintendo as a 3rd party?

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Thinking about Nintendo being forced to make FPS/TPS/Open world games makes me actually want to vomit.

Nintendo isnt some scrub who has to copy other devs to get by. They would make the games you would expect them to.

Games like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions obviously arent happening if they dont have hardware to push, and even pikmin and captain toad games might go away, but the big mario and zelda games arent going away. They arent going to become activision all of a sudden.

 

[AntMurda]

Yes.



No.



No.



No.



No.

A lot of those "No" responses are completely baseless. You think Nintendo going third-party means just annualized Mario, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Fire Emblem. But they aren't stupid in understanding how important it is to introduce new concepts even if they were making third party games.

 

[Platy]

Lets analise the one company that was not 3rd party and went third party.

This game features :

Sonic - Sonic - New games coming 2017

Aiai - Super Monkey Ball - Last game : Super Monkey Ball Bounce (Android, iOS) (2014), non mobile was Banana Splitz (PlayStation Vita) in (2012)

Beat - Jet Set Radio - Last Game - Jet Set Radio HD (2012), non remaster : Jet Grind Radio (GBA) (2003)

B.D. Joe - Crazy Taxi - Last Game - Crazy Taxi City Rush (mobile) (2014). non mobile was Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars (PSP) (2007)

Ulala - Space Channel 5 - Last Game : Space Channel 5 VR: Ukiuki Viewing Show (no release date). non VR remaster was a weird cellphone game and non remaster or mobile : Space Channel 5: Part 2 (Dreamcast) (2002)

Amigo - Samba de Amigo - Last Game : Samba de Amigo (Wii) (2008). It was kinda of a port but it was enhanced and had stuff from the second arcade game

Alex Kidd - Alex Kidd - Last Game : Alex Kidd in Shinobi World (Master System) (1990) =(

Vyse - Skies of Arcadia - Last Game : Skies of Arcadia Legends (Gamecube) (2002). Enhanced port of the only game in the series

Gilius Thunderhead - Golden Axe - Last game : Golden Axe: Beast Rider (Ps3) (2008) oh god why

Joe Musashi - Shinobi - Last Game : Shinobi 3D (3DS) (2011)

NiGHTS - NiGHTS - Last game : Nights: Journey of Dreams (Wii) (2007)

Football Manager - Football Manager - Last Game - Football Manager 2017 (PC) (2016)

Shogun - Total War - Last game : Total War: Warhammer (PC) (2016)

General Winter - Company of Heroes - Last Game : Company of Heroes 2 (PC) (2015)

Ryo Hazuki - Shenmue - Last Game : it is complicated =P Either Shenmue II (Dreamcast) (2011) or Shenmue III (PS4) (god knows when)


The only IPs this generation is a Vita game, a 3DS one and 3 PC ones... and except the 4 franchises that received a game this year or the next, the previous games were from FOUR YEARS AGO ... with the exception of a mobile game

 

[rawbhawb]

Why would Nintendo, a thirdparty in that scenario, fund games by a thirdparty developer?

The same way EA can publish something like Unravel. They're still a publisher. They still can get pitches or seek out something to fund they see promise in.

No

If companies like Ubisoft can occasionally do stuff, like Grow Home or Valiant Hearts, outside their forte, I can imagine Nintendo still doing some of the things, if not everything, you said no to.

 

[archreaper93]

Nintendo isnt some scrub who has to copy other devs to get by. They would make the games you would expect them to.

Games like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions obviously arent happening if they dont have hardware to push, and even pikmin and captain toad games might go away, but the big mario and zelda games arent going away. They arent going to become activision all of a sudden.

I was responding to the idea that Nintendo would be more beholden to the tastes of the gamers on Xbox and Playstation. Which would mean shooters and open world games. I'm sure they wouldn't do it, but just thought made me sick to my stomach.

Also, this statement:

They would make the games you would expect them to.

Is directly at odds with this statement:

Games like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions obviously arent happening if they dont have hardware to push, and even pikmin and captain toad games might go away

 

[AntMurda]

Why would Nintendo, a thirdparty in that scenario, fund games by a thirdparty developer?

Because publishers publish games? It all depends on how many platforms, and how many games per platform Nintendo would want to publish year. (PC/PS4/X1/Mobile etc)

 

[AquaWateria]

This may seem hyperbole on my part, but if Nintendo were to become full third party I'd probably quit gaming all together.

I mean growing older has kind of refined my taste where these days I don't have time to play much games. There's only a select few that I do play and they mostly align with Nintendo with some outside. I'm sure that if Nintendo did go third party they would change into a different company and most likely lose their morale that they had as a first party.

But oh well those of you that do want Nintendo to become third party will most likely regret it. Then again you probably never did gave a shit.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

I really think it would be bad if Nintendo went 3rd party, but they would still be bigger than these 2

Think of everything those two had to lose in order to compete with other third parties. Capcom is bascially a Resident Evil/Monster Hunter/Street Fighter factory and Square Enix would only have Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest if it weren't for the Eidos buyout. Now imagine that but with Nintendo.

 

[Htown]

Atari
Hudson
Sega
SNK

Where is the video game hardware manufacturer to third party success story?