2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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Stumpokapow said:
You can easily skip scenes in shows with weak editing. My wife took about 8 minutes to watch an episode of Glee by around the 3rd season.
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That requires a lot more premeditated skipping. If I see a castle episode I don't like, I just stop
I won't miss anything.
 
Yeah, Agents of SHIELD actually doesn't fuck around. It introduces a problem or an antagonist and then solves that problem or offs that antagonist within an episode or two. It absolutely values the viewer's time. I've never seen a show resolve its plot points so rapidly.
 
Danthrax said:
Yeah, Agents of SHIELD actually doesn't fuck around. It introduces a problem or an antagonist and then solves that problem or offs that antagonist within an episode or two. It absolutely values the viewer's time. I've never seen a show resolve its plot points so rapidly.
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Joni, we should get Dan on the VD bandwagon. He seems ready.
 
Danthrax said:
Yeah, Agents of SHIELD actually doesn't fuck around. It introduces a problem or an antagonist and then solves that problem or offs that antagonist within an episode or two. It absolutely values the viewer's time. I've never seen a show resolve its plot points so rapidly.
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Having things happen rapidly isn't more respectful of your time than having them happen slowly; giving things meaning and earning the use of time does. Otherwise soap operas would be the most tightly edited shows, because they have major plots twists every episode. But in fact they are the worst abusers of your time, because it's all totally meaningless and nonsense. 2001 respects your time despite the movie being incredibly slow because the slow pans are important in establishing the mood and overall experience of the film. Music videos feature 1000 cuts, but it's generally to get around lip sync challenges and make up for the fact that the video has nothing to say despite the apparent visual dynamism. This as a rebuttal is absolutely indicative of what I was talking about: Doling out excitement in a metered way to fit the rhythms of sweeps and movie tie-ins is disrespectful of the viewer's time.
 
maxcriden said:
Joni, we should get Dan on the VD bandwagon. He seems ready.
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I dun like vampires



Stumpokapow said:
Having things happen rapidly isn't more respectful of your time than having them happen slowly; giving things meaning and earning the use of time does. Otherwise soap operas would be the most tightly edited shows, because they have major plots twists every episode. But in fact they are the worst abusers of your time, because it's all totally meaningless and nonsense. 2001 respects your time despite the movie being incredibly slow because the slow pans are important in establishing the mood and overall experience of the film. Music videos feature 1000 cuts, but it's generally to get around lip sync challenges and make up for the fact that the video has nothing to say despite the apparent visual dynamism. This as a rebuttal is absolutely indicative of what I was talking about: Doling out excitement in a metered way to fit the rhythms of sweeps and movie tie-ins is disrespectful of the viewer's time.
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AoS completely skipped November sweeps this year, and its most hype-inducing moments have had nothing to do with movie tie-ins. It "doles out excitement" at its own pace.
 
Danthrax said:
AoS completely skipped November sweeps this year, and its most hype-inducing moments have had nothing to do with movie tie-ins. It "doles out excitement" at its own pace.
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Because they finally gave up and realized that the show was always going to be on its own.

That said, all the shows are still going to be overshadowed by the movies anyway, since they keep referring to the "Big Green Guy" and "The Guy with the Hammer" over and over again and want to insert themselves into the "cinematic universe".

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Oh, since Hitflix is dead, is Uproxx or whomever still doing the TV critic mega round up thing that they've done for the last couple of years?
 
Hey remember when Amazon launched their video service "worldwide"?
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They're incompetent morons.

List of other things absent from Prime Video in the Nordics:
Transparent (season 3)
Bosch (season 2)
Mozart in the Jungle (season 2 & 3)
Crisis in Six Scenes
Goliath

(Yes, the rights of some of these have been sold to other outlets here, but not all of them afaik)

But don't worry, the service is so bugged you can access some of it without resorting to a VPN.
How to watch Goliath on the service in five easy steps:
  1. Log out of your Prime Video account
  2. Google "Prime Video Goliath"
  3. Click on the American page for the show
  4. Hit Play
  5. Log in with your Prime Video account

This is why you don't launch your service prematurely just because you overpaid for a show ostensibly about cars.
 
I made it 20 minutes into my free trial before cancelling.

Little to no content, mediocre originals and no apps for Apple TV or Android TV, makes it a terrible deal even at 2,99 a month, really.
 
They're doing you a favor by blocking The Man in the High Castle. If only they did that worldwide it would have saved me from suffering through season 1.
 
dead souls said:
They're doing you a favor by blocking The Man in the High Castle. If only they did that worldwide it would have saved me from suffering through season 1.
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Not my screencap. I would never watch something that lowbrow. Give me 1980s Polish television dramas directed by a true auteur or give me death.

The info actually comes from an excellent Swedish site (hell even the comments on that site is usually informative). It was just to ridiculous not to share.
I don't know what Amazon is thinking, we already have a highly competitive market for streaming services. Blatant incompetence isn't a winning concept here.
 
- Joe Adalian's look at 2016 TV ratings for NY Mag:
As has been the case for several years now, the operative word to describe TV ratings in 2016 was, simply, decline: Even hits as massive as The Walking Dead and The Big Bang Theory saw noticeable audience erosion over the past year. But if we might channel Fred Armisen as Joy Behar for a moment: “So what? Who cares?” Viewers still consumed thousands of hours of TV content and hundreds of scripted shows as Peak TV continued to yield something new and interesting to watch almost every week. A good chunk of this content, of course, came via platforms for which accurate ratings aren’t readily available. It sure seems like Netflix’s Stranger Things was one of 2016’s biggest hits, but because the streaming giant (along with rivals Hulu and Amazon) doesn’t disclose viewership stats, it could be that the only people watching the show are pop-culture reporters and Donald Trump’s mythical 400-pound hacker. Still, for the programming airing on traditional linear TV, Nielsen provides plenty of insights about who watched what this year. So as has become our annual tradition here at Vulture, we took a flying leap down the Nielsen rabbit hole and began exploring the big trends, small quirks, and genuine oddities of American viewing habits during 2016. Keep reading to see what Dolly Parton and Toni Braxton have in common, which city’s residents really love John Oliver, and what show does surprisingly well with rich people.
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A few snippets:
Americans really love their fantastical dramas.
It’s not your imagination: Among the ten biggest cable dramas among adults under 50, seven are tinged with elements of sci-fi, fantasy, or historical adventure. AMC’s The Walking Dead, of course, towers over everything (on both cable and broadcast), with 2016 episodes averaging a gobsmacking 11.5 million viewers in the key demo (out of a total audience of 18.2 million). But the network’s spinoff Fear the Walking Dead and newbie Preacher also crack the top 10 drama list, as do HBO’s Game of Thrones and Westworld, FX’s American Horror Story: Roanoke, and History’s Vikings. With so many big, noisy dramas dominating the culture in 2016, it’s all the more impressive that the comparatively quiet Better Call Saul (AMC), Power (Starz), and Pretty Little Liars (Freeform) also reached the upper echelons of popularity in 2016. (Remember when pundits were predicting tough times for AMC after the exits of Breaking Bad and Mad Men within the space of less than two years? The network this year was home to four of the 10 biggest dramas among viewers under 50.) Finally, one of the year’s biggest drama hits wasn’t a traditional series: FX’s Ryan Murphy–produced mini-series The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story, drew a stunning 7.3 million linear viewers, enough to make it the No. 3 entertainment broadcast on cable this year.
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Rich people are all about The Americans.
Even if FX’s (finally) Emmy-nominated drama doesn’t draw nearly the overall audience it deserves, it turns out there’s one kind of viewer for whom the show is definitely must-see TV: wealthy folks. The typical viewer of The Americans lives in a home where the average income is just north of $80,000 per year — a larger amount than all but one basic cable drama. Just edging it out: BBC America’s London Spy, whose audience makes an average of $81,600 annually. Interestingly, among comedies, a much more low-brow FX series — the beloved and long-running It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia— actually has the richest audience on basic cable. Sunny viewers take in a healthy $81,300 each year.
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NingenJanai said:
House of cards is a really good show, but slow and dense.
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Okay so I had a way too long rant about House of Cards written up and I realised that it just wasn't worth debating.

Instead I'll go with;
Whether or not House of Cards is a good show is subjective.
But I do not think that slow and dense come even close to being accurate descriptions for the show. Especially slow, if anything it tends to be described as fast-paced (with the exception of certain episodes + season 3).
 
NingenJanai said:
House of cards is a really good show, but slow and dense.
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Especially after the S2 murder, my wife and I were just like, 'Are we going to spend time watching people be absolutely terrible? Why?' So, sure, it may be well-made with all the writing, acting, etc., but that doesn't make it compelling or even palatable. Probably one of the more subjective shows, honestly...
 
So I saw that Dick Wolf turned 70 today. I can't even imagine how many hours of Law and Order I have watched (at least hundreds if not thousands). I am still angry they cancelled OG Law and Order.

I haven't watched any of the Chicago shows, are they any good?
 
NingenJanai said:
House of cards is a really good show, but slow and dense.
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It was a good show. It has never been as good as its first season.
Oddduck said:
I feel like that describes so many TV shows nowadays, haha.

But I still see your point.
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I feel like I am getting kind of tired it. Plus it's really weird having the Protagnist be bad guys. Like legit bad guys. You shouldn't be rooting for them, but you are.
 
Here's that moment where I rank the Netflix original by Facebook likes:

Orange is the New Black: 6,855,121
Narcos: 3,263,138
Stranger Things: 3,252,883
House of Cards: 2,730,766
Daredevil: 2,396,913
Sense8: 1,107,218
Fuller House: 1,083,656
Jessica Jones: 1,031,340
BoJack Horseman: 543,969
Luke Cage: 518,859
The Get Down: 424,562
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt: 421,347
Hemlock Grove: 407,902
Marco Polo: 293,628
Grace and Frankie: 272,441
The Crown: 244,918
The Ranch: 231,537
A Series of Unfortunate Events: 200,498
Bloodline: 173,789
Master of None: 154,157
Iron Fist: 145,290
F Is For Family: 100,502
Wet Hot American Summer: First Day of Camp: 86,027
Haters Back Off: 56,589
Love: 48,078
The OA: 37,189
Flaked: 17,790
Lady Dynamite: 14,197

Things that stuck out:

- Wow Narcos is high.

- Sense8 was much higher than I expected. I wonder if it does better than we think.

- Fuller House, BoJack, and Kimmy seem to be the only comedies that really made any impression. Could be because comedy "doesn't travel" as well as drama does.

- The Get Down was actually higher than I expected.

- Stranger Things really does seem like it was probably a bona fide hit.
 
whyamihere said:
- Wow Narcos is high.
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I'd love to see the likes broken down by region, but that's not likely freely available.
The reason I say this is because if I remember correctly Narcos is pretty damn popular on a worldwide basis, but not as much in the US (the US being particularly averse to subtitles)
- Sense8 was much higher than I expected. I wonder if it does better than we think.
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Could also be that is has an above average fanbase when it comes to online engagement.
Kind of how most CW shows trounces most CBS shows in likes.
- The Get Down was actually higher than I expected.
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Yet another one where I would like more data, like is the number of likes still growing and how fast where they growing before, during and after release.
The show had some serious pre-release hype but when it released then it got, let's say, a mixed reception.
- Stranger Things really does seem like it was probably a bona fide hit.
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It probably was.
Still doesn't make it go-[redacted as not to upset Ratsky]

Also, lol Flaked.
 
Flaked is a show made exclusively for people living within 3-4 blocks of Abbott Kinney Blvd, Venice, California. Almost nothing about it resonates outside that context. So I think 17,000 Facebook likes means they have something near 100% saturation of their target audience.
 
Considering how popular Orange is the New Black is - both in those Facebook likes and that Netflix has acknowledged it's its most popular series - I'm surprised about how relatively little I see it discussed in the press and within my various social circles.

I think the show is utterly brilliant, especially the latest season which was just so fantastic in so many ways, but I wonder if this is the case where the lack of "appointment TV" each week holds it back? That maybe it could be even more popular than it is today if it was something that people could discuss week to week?
 
dLMN8R said:
Considering how popular Orange is the New Black is - both in those Facebook likes and that Netflix has acknowledged it's its most popular series - I'm surprised about how relatively little I see it discussed in the press and within my various social circles.

I think the show is utterly brilliant, especially the latest season which was just so fantastic in so many ways, but I wonder if this is the case where the lack of "appointment TV" each week holds it back? That maybe it could be even more popular than it is today if it was something that people could discuss week to week?
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I think binge watching has killed those discussions. People are so paranoid about spoilers before they've seen something and now the window of freshness is very small before Netflix wants us to move on to the next Original. Daredevil Season 2 premiered this year and I almost completely forgot that fact because of Luke Cage being more recent

A good number of my friends watch Orange, but they only really talk about it for about 2 weeks when the new season drops. Scandal and Grey's are year long discussions though.
 
Cornballer said:
Starz has canceled Blunt Talk
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Just marathoned through season 2 this week and no real surprise, season 2 was pretty bland I thought. The only good thing about the show is when Patrick Stewart and his valet are together, and they kept them apart for most of season 2 for some bizarre reason. All the side characters are awful.

Would still recommend season 1 for anyone who is a fan of Patrick Stewart.

I imagine F is for Family will get a few seasons out of Netflix since it can't be that expensive and animated series have long, long lives for binge watchers.
 
Amazon:

Man in the High Castle: 288,944
Transparent: 264,233
Mozart in the Jungle: 177,087
Bosch: 163,863
Good Girls Revolt: 118,224
Alpha House: 112,073
Goliath: 61,372
Hand of God: 43,008
Betas: 39,000
Catastrophe: 25,840
Mad Dogs: 22,839
Fleabag: 21,244
One Mississippi: 20,603
Red Oaks: 16,995
Crisis In Six Scenes: 8,712

Cracke:

StartUp: 24,076
The Art of More: 14,129
SuperMansion: 12,758

CBS All Access:

Star Trek: Discovery: 33,628
The Good Fight: 31,901
 
Alpha House season 2 was awesome and it pisses me off that they didn't do a 3rd. Considering its apparent popularity, I wonder why they didn't.
 
Lady Dynamite's audience is made up of people too smart to hand out likes on Facebook.
 
Via Warming Glow, FX's end of the year Peak TV update:

Peak TV was once again far from peaky in 2016, with a record 455 scripted original series across broadcast, cable, and streaming sources,” said Julie Piepenkotter, FX’s Executive VP of Research in a press release. “This estimate reps a +8% increase over just last year (421 in 2015) ― but an astonishing +71% increase over five years ago (266 in 2011) and +137% over a decade ago (192 in 2006).
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AMC needs to revamp its entire marketing department. Saw some promo for The Son that was all garish After Effects nonsense. Looks like what I'd expect from some reality network trying to debut its first ever drama.

firehawk12 said:
The alt-alt-alt comedy crowd? lol
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Offense taken.
 
Dan said:
Lady Dynamite's audience is made up of people too smart to hand out likes on Facebook.
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I liked Lady Dynamite and I'm looking forward to its second season but like just about everything I watch I can't be bothered looking it up on Facebook and liking the page.
 
PHOENIXZERO said:
I liked Lady Dynamite and I'm looking forward to its second season but like just about everything I watch I can't be bothered looking it up on Facebook and liking the page.
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I appear to only have given 8 likes on Facebook (only 3 are visible, maybe the other 5 are dead pages?). If Facebook wants to collect a consumer profile of me to sell, they're going to have to work for it. I'm not handing it to them on a silver platter.

firehawk12 said:
(Is it cool to like Bamford now??)
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Probably not :/ The girl I'm dating loved Lady Dynamite though, probably watched it three times.
 
I've liked Maria Bamford since I saw her on Premium Blend back in the early 2000s which is why I watched Lady Dynamite in the first place.

I don't do a lot of liking or anything but I still think I've given Facebook way too much info on me.
 
Pluto said:
Why? Making a documentary about racists is not in itself a bad thing nor does it normalise them. She hasn't even seen it yet, what if it's actually good? Ignoring racists will not make them go away, so why not show them on tv and educating the audience about how they think and act?
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Looks like it's about people that realize the racist nature and are looking to leave the clan and their families.

It's in the same vein as A&E's Leah Remini Scientology doc, I suppose.
 
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