SRTtoZ
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Ahh thanks. I just clicked on that guys link and started watching and then that happened. Going back to the beginning to watch the full video. Game looks fantastic.
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Zelda: Breath of the Wild: Launch trailer, JP boxart, March 3, 2017
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Ahh thanks. I just clicked on that guys link and started watching and then that happened. Going back to the beginning to watch the full video. Game looks fantastic.
Oh man you're right.
But have you climbed it?
Neoleo2143
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Horizon's Claim to Fame as I've stated many times in the past is combat which is pretty important for it to nail because outside that it seems only average. In pretty much every other area of gameplay Zelda seems to readily outclass it, Climbing has more nuance and more flexibility in Zelda. Stealth is more complex in Zelda because it's a combination of sound mechanics and line of sight while Horizon is just line of sight. Crafting is more freeform in Zelda and has more of a puzzle like element to it which lends it more nuance than the basic system in Horizon, Mounts are more complex in Zelda because of their different personalities and abilities, Puzzle solving lends more variety in Zelda than in Horizon. Weather systems are more complex gameplay wise in Zelda. Zelda has fire propagation systems while Horizon has more destructible environments (though Zelda also has this as many trees in the game can knocked over). Zelda has a more advanced Physics engine that is used in gameplay. Shield Surfing as a traversal option has more depth than Horizon's Slide because of how the environment factors in friction.
Horizon looks great in combat. But Zelda looks great all around.
I've spent the last while trying to translate the legend written on the back of the map that comes with the special edition. It's written in Hylian, but unlike the text in the game it translates to Japanese and I don't know Japanese. Some friends helped try to figure it out and this is what we got so far:
I just did some research. They arent actually playing, they are telling someone else what to do.
This is why everyone showed the same content.
Neoleo2143
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The Bird is the Island that was seen from the Top of the Temple of Time.
The Mammoth's Location is unknown.
Chained Prometheus
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I've spent the last while trying to translate the legend written on the back of the map that comes with the special edition. It's written in Hylian, but unlike the text in the game it translates to Japanese and I don't know Japanese. Some friends helped try to figure it out and this is what we got so far:
Holy crap...
I mean, we can infer a lot of this from the latest trailer, but it's interesting to see some details fully confirmed in this map.
I'm guessing that either a) Link and Zelda awoke the four divine beasts to try and stop Calamity Ganon, only for it to possess the beasts and in turn their army of mechanical Guardians against everyone or b) Calamity Ganon awoke the divine beasts itself and possessed them all right away.
Timeline wise, I'm starting to think the game might just be set at the very distant end of either the Child Timeline or the Downfall Timeline, rather than after Ocarina of Time.
Assuming this Great Deku Tree in the trailer is the sprout grown up into an adult, it looks like it was already all grown up in the past (assuming that all of Zelda's scenes in the trailer are set in flashbacks), so if this is somehow a direct sequel to OoT with the Hero of Time, I'm guessing Nintendo decided to retcon various details from OoT in order to tell Breath of the Wild exactly the way they wanted to. It's possible, but I'm not sure.
Your thoughts, RagnarokX?
You forgot where the bird is? It's in the same place it is on the map: the northwest.
Death Mountain is in the northeast, which is where the salamander is on the map.
The desert is in the southwest, which is where the camel is on the map.
Likely the elephant will be in the southeast. I imagine it will be wandering the ocean and be based on giant elephants in the ocean legends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaja
I also want to point out that all 4 of the Divine Beast guardians have people riding on them. I think these are BotW's equivalent of sages. And I think we've seen the present versions of those "sages": the bird person (bird guardian), goron chief (salamander guardian), gerudo (camel guardian), zora girl (elephant guardian).
Aldric
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Might be on that crescent shaped island we saw on the old map from the game awards footage three years ago.
Lord_Byron28
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I believe in play analysis of the E3 demo we had seen a giant flying figure. I'm guessing it will be flying around the Northwest area of the map. The Elephant, I'm thinking will be near the Zora's area. I'm curious about the people standing on top of the creatures. They seem to be controlling them. I wonder if the giant beasts had masters but went haywire due to Calamity Ganon. The Salamander controlled by a Goron, the Bird controlled by a Rito, the Camel controlled by a Gerudo and the Elephant controlled by a Zora. If I had to guess it'd probably be the characters we saw in the trailer. Falco Rito, Gerudo harp girl, Red shark Zora, and the one Goron we saw.
Here's to hoping that fishing is back alongside all the other great things in this game.
I have great memories as a kid with Ocarina and a teen with Twilight Princess trying to catch all of them and fill up the tanks. Final Fantasy 15 has brought that itch back with its fishing, but I want the Zelda mini game. I WANT MY FISH TANK
I have great memories as a kid with Ocarina and a teen with Twilight Princess trying to catch all of them and fill up the tanks. Final Fantasy 15 has brought that itch back with its fishing, but I want the Zelda mini game. I WANT MY FISH TANK
Oh, this is definitely Downfall Timeline. No doubt about it. And set between OoT and ALttP.
The Great Deku Tree doesn't have to be retconned. The Great Deku Tree Sprout was a reincarnation of The Great Deku Tree and retained all of The Great Deku Tree's memories. It is The Great Deku Tree Sprout who tells Link about his past; information only the Deku Tree knew. So the sprout can refer to its dead adult self as itself. Plus, he's the only talking tree in the world.
All of the references to Skyward Sword and OoT tells me this game is closer to those two than further away. The Temple of Time is in good condition, and the springs from Skyward Sword aren't too banged up:
Skyward Sword:
Breath of the Wild:
graphically maybe
gameplay wise I don't think horizon can compare (and art too for that matter)
I've spent the last while trying to translate the legend written on the back of the map that comes with the special edition. It's written in Hylian, but unlike the text in the game it translates to Japanese and I don't know Japanese. Some friends helped try to figure it out and this is what we got so far:
Jesus, you're a trooper.
I hope those things are the dungeons themselves.
I hope not because the insides of the beasts didn't look that big. About the size of a shrine or smaller from what I could tell. I think they guard the temples and you need to go inside them and fix them before you can get to the temples. Just a guess though.
Chained Prometheus
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Oh, this is definitely Downfall Timeline. No doubt about it. And set between OoT and ALttP.
The Great Deku Tree doesn't have to be retconned. The Great Deku Tree Sprout was a reincarnation of The Great Deku Tree and retained all of The Great Deku Tree's memories. It is The Great Deku Tree Sprout who tells Link about his past; information only the Deku Tree knew. So the sprout can refer to its dead adult self as itself. Plus, he's the only talking tree in the world.
All of the references to Skyward Sword and OoT tells me this game is closer to those two than further away. The Temple of Time is in good condition, and the springs from Skyward Sword aren't too banged up:
Skyward Sword:
Breath of the Wild:
Oh I know the Sprout has the original GDT's memories and knowledge; I'm referring to this tree's physical size already being massive in scenes that are more than likely set in the past 100 years ago.
That shot of Zelda at the end of the trailer briefly shows that she's with the GDT and a certain screenshot on the back of the game's boxart indicates that, presumably in this same scene due to the same location and attire,
Zelda is the one to place the worn/broken Master Sword in the pedestal in front of the GDT after Link is wounded or killed.
So if the GDT is already a fully grown tree 100 years before the present day plot of BotW begins, I'm skeptical that this is the Hero of Time and the OoT Zelda (though I'm totally game for that if it pans out). It's possible, but if it is them, I'm guessing that this game is presenting the connection to OoT in a very loose and "mythical" way in that a lot of the connecting details are a bit messy. The game could still be between OoT and ALTTP, but if it is, we're probably dealing with a new Link and Zelda.
After thinking some more on it, I'm just leaning more towards this being set at the end of the Downfall or Child Timeline right now due to the GDT being so fully grown up and, more importantly, how Ganon's state of being is so utterly decayed from how he normally is.
Dialogue like the Old Lady/presumably Impa from the trailer indicates that this Ganon has been plaguing the Royal Hylian family for god-knows-how-long. Ganon seems like he's just fallen apart to the point where he's not even a monster pig that wants global domination and now just seeks to unleash the apocalypse and destroy everything.
tali'zorah84
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See, I was thinking the opposite. In the Downfall ending, doesn't he obtain the Triforce and become his "true self"? I would suspect that he rises above all human/animal forms and becomes a corporeal spirit like the Calamity.
The "Calamity" plaguing could also be in reference to the original curse cast by Demise that has technically followed the Hylian royal family since its beginning.
I'm not 100% on this being the Hero of Time, but it would be best if it was.
For the Zelda meeting the Deku Tree thing, here are some possibilities if it is set during OoT:
-We don't know the details of how the Downfall Timeline's events went down, so it's possible that the Great Deku Tree didn't bite the big one.
-Zelda is looking at the dead Deku Tree. Its leaves are a different color from the rest of the forest. They look pink, but they could be orange. The Great Deku Tree starts dropping orange leaves when it dies.
It's looking like Zelda goes on a quest to the springs from Skyward Sword and performs the same sealing spell Zelda used in Skyward Sword, which is why she's able to live for 100 years without aging.
Well, that's a big part of why I think it has to be Downfall. ALttP has the legend of the Great Cataclysm, which is an event where an evil person obtains the complete Triforce and makes a wish. Thus Ganon is The Great Cataclysm.
The word used in Japanese for The Great Cataclysm is 災い (wazawai). The word used for Calamity in BotW is 厄災 (yakusai). They both share 災, which means "calamity, cataclysm, disaster". So he's Calamity Ganon for the same reason ALttP was The Great Cataclysm.
Ocarina_117
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Guys... What if the 4 huge bosses are taken on Shadow of the Colossus style?
Otakumegane
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So the divine beass are dungeons right? 1st part involvin the puzzle of getting onto the beass and finding the entrance and the seconomy part locating the core and shuting it down or removing the evil.
Agree with everything.
LurkerPrime
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Oh, that's a good question.
Like, I haven't played SotC, but it's all about climbable bosses, right? I'd be shocked if BotW DIDN'T have something like that--the mechanic is there, and Zelda always uses its mechanics.
OricWindstar
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Man, I haven't even thought of that. The climbing mechanic definitiely will be used for bosses and these colossi fit the bill perfectly.
I sort of feel the same, in that BotW seems like a known quantity. I think the game might just be overexposed. To get excited about BotW I have to think about the things they haven't shown - what kind of scale will the dungeons and boss battles have? How will the story be woven into the gameplay? What form will the minigames take? That sort of thing.
tali'zorah84
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I think you're onto something, in the trailer there's a shot of Link touching the Sheikah Slate to the base of a weird, pumpkin-like "brain" mass.
If you guys are expecting freaking Shadow of the Colossus...man you're setting expectations way too high.
I actually thought of the 4th Colossus at one point during the trailer. Still, SotC's entire enemy/battle design went into the colossi. You can't expect that out of a game with the breadth of BotW.
I actually thought of the 4th Colossus at one point during the trailer. Still, SotC's entire enemy/battle design went into the colossi. You can't expect that out of a game with the breadth of BotW.
Seriously, what's the point of this shrine?
Is that a "puzzle"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKYkBfj2yZc
I know it's probably one of the easiest, but there's nothing to solve here.
On the other hand, excellent news, hidden shrines confirmed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gQn18aemE&t=2m32s
I wonder how you unveil them?
You have to listen to a clue from Kaas and find the correct spot, then play a music instrument?
Strange they haven't shown a music instrument yet.
Is that a "puzzle"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKYkBfj2yZc
I know it's probably one of the easiest, but there's nothing to solve here.
On the other hand, excellent news, hidden shrines confirmed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6gQn18aemE&t=2m32s
I wonder how you unveil them?
You have to listen to a clue from Kaas and find the correct spot, then play a music instrument?
Strange they haven't shown a music instrument yet.
Oh no... This is like the Zelda equivalent of the 2013 Tomb Raider reboot...
This one truly does. Even the ones shown at E3, while simple, had a few interesting puzzles. I hope this one is the exception rather than the rule.
RareFantasy64
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Isn't there speculation that each of the four bosses houses a giant dungeon inside of them? If that is the case, what if they wander the over world and the player travels around, locating them and breaking into them to complete their dungeon?
Ocarina_117
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There looks to be some more treasure chests around the room. So even in a simpler shrine it seems worth exploring a bit.
Apparently one of the reps said you were missing a requirement to get all the stuff in it
One thing that concerns me is Nintendo recycles enemies way too often.
Too many bokoblins. Skyward was horrible about this.
Too many Moblins
Too many lizaldfos
We've now seen Giant moblin bosses and Step Talus bosses in different areas. These should all be 1 offs. Should have given us lots of unique mini bosses that we could kill as a Witcher of sorts. Havent even played that game lol
Too many bokoblins. Skyward was horrible about this.
Too many Moblins
Too many lizaldfos
We've now seen Giant moblin bosses and Step Talus bosses in different areas. These should all be 1 offs. Should have given us lots of unique mini bosses that we could kill as a Witcher of sorts. Havent even played that game lol
Eolz
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I really like the timeline convergence theory I've seen on /v/.
It obviously seems a bit weird (like all timeline theories to be fair), but it makes sense in a way. There's elements from all 3 timelines.
But yeah, if we have to choose one, it's likely following the downfall/failure timeline.
It obviously seems a bit weird (like all timeline theories to be fair), but it makes sense in a way. There's elements from all 3 timelines.
But yeah, if we have to choose one, it's likely following the downfall/failure timeline.
RareFantasy64
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They are shown on a map from the Nintendo Tree House event following the Switch Direct this week
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I'm rooting for this. I've seen growing speculation that if this Link/Zelda are from a previous game, it is the OOT Link and Zelda. Hero of Time Link is my favorite Link and I love his design. So I'm not sure if I love the idea of the original Hero of Time Link's design being remade into the BOTW design (to be fair, the BOTW Link has a pierced ear like OOT Link so they do have some similarities), it would be fitting if the Hero of Time Link and OOT Zelda are the ones who get the timeline unified again
Since all of the timelines split from a single timeline there's nothing strange about them sharing elements. None of the shared elements are anything that requires something as extreme as a timeline convergence idea. It's such a bad idea that has nothing hinting at it. That's not how timelines work and there'd be nothing gained by merging them and limiting the pool of options they'd have for future games.
Fourth Storm
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I've spent the last while trying to translate the legend written on the back of the map that comes with the special edition. It's written in Hylian, but unlike the text in the game it translates to Japanese and I don't know Japanese. Some friends helped try to figure it out and this is what we got so far:
Thank you and nice work!
Hmm. I would say that this lends more to a post OoT timeline placement. I think this will be the Imprisoning War. It confirms that Ganon is known before his arrival as Calamity Ganon and has been sealed at least once before. The text on the bottom right could possibly reference the sealing of Ganon after Link's defeat at the very beginning of the Downfall Timeline.
Link not wearing his typical green may also hint at him not being recognized as the Hero here, but as one of the Knights of Hyrule. The Hyrule Hystoria hints at the Hero of Time possibly being a Knight of Hyrule at one point as well.
Distresssss
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Gotta imagine they get more complex plus there are 100 of them. I'm not too worried.
Fourth Storm
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The one thing that I can't reconcile with Breath of the Wild's timeline is the placement of the Temple of Time. I feel like we are supposed to assume that it always stood to the south (as in SS and TP) and not in Hyrule Castle Town as in OoT. Chalk it up to an inaccuracy in the telling of that particular legend.
Neoleo2143
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It's probably one of those easy to get to the end, harder to get everything Shrines, and you do want everything as it's good loot.
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