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[jeemer]

i'm all for people playing on whatever damn system they want, but i must say that many of the fears i see listed here sound like warnings from your neighbour's son in the mid 90s, which surprises me in a forum of people i'd imagine to largely be tech savvy.

i've had my current gaming pc for 3.5 years, it's still going strong. i don't actively like windows 7 but it runs fine. i have windows updates switched off, i can't remember the last time i had to update a driver, this pc has honestly never crashed on me that i remember. upgrading the graphics card last year took all of 5 minutes.

that said, if you prefer console, do you.

 

[Toad.T]

Money and maintenance, If I had a better job and more desire to know about each part of a PC, then i'd dive in, but for now, no.

 

[Spirited]

This is a huge fallacy.

Yeah, 6-7 years with a console and it not being outdated is a pretty hilarious notion. The ps4 is showing its years and it's not even close to 6-7 years old and the consoles getting very outdated in the later years leading to bigger migration to PC is the reason sony* stated for making the PS4 pro.

Like come on gaf, you can't be this oblivious.

 

[Owari]

For everyone saying Windows: you'd be surprised how much easier 10 is to use over past iterations. It's fantastically simple. No driver issues. No crashes. Flawless.

Don't let Apple's marketing dissuade you from PC gaming.

Not portable. Being chained to a screen in my house feels archaic and limiting to me these days. Obviously I feel the same way about home consoles, and it's mainly down to a mix of a long commute and a young family changing the way I interact with media.

You must be stoked for the Switch then

 

[Evolution of Metal]

You seem to have selective memory. I can recall many threads on console performance / crashing issues too.

It also comes from having higher standards, a lot of complaints in PC performance threads are about edge cases and the game clearly not performing compared to the hardware it runs on. 99% of these are fixed within a week or 2 through patches.

Tell that to 680/770 GTX owners who want to play BF1. The thread has over 10k replies, most people have abandoned hope that Dice/Nvidia is going to fix it, so yeah, I got fucked.

 

[Aztechnology]

I do understand that consoles get outdated as well but I figure that for $400 bucks I get a good 7 or 8 years out of a console before it becomes outdated. For PCs my guess is that if I spent 400 bucks on a video card that will last a year or two before it becomes outdated and had to be upgraded.

First you know that 7-8 years is no longer a thing. That's a relic of the 7th gen. The PS4 is already becoming outdated, especially as consoles have become more and more like PC's.

Second to your latter point. It's all about staying on top of things. Just like I have for my consoles. I sold my PS4 before the Slim/Pro announcement and I got $300 for it. After buying the Pro I got $40 I think back from an Amazon price match. PC is the same way.

The only reason my parts below cost that mucj was because I went with a really high end CPU and contingent parts. That being said over 5 years I spent only about $250 on my GPU upgrade upgrades and the processor I had 5 years ago still trashed the PS4's.

Also want to point out that I've spent a total of about $500 on PC parts over the past 5 years. I upgrade frequently.

Went from a 3570k, to 4670k, to 5800k and that cost me ~$250 all the upgrades there.

Then from 660ti, to 770 to 970 to 1070 was around another $250 in total.

That's less money than I spent on my PS4 Pro and PS+ subs and I've got to stay on the cutting edge for those 5 years.

 

[dreamer3kx]

Im close to giving up on pc gaming after just building one recently, Im just disappointed in it to be honest, its not like it used to be.

 

[Luminaire]

I play about 60/40 console / PC. I refuse to go 100% for many reasons. They are simply different experiences. To go 100% either way is to limit yourself.

While I enjoy both experiences, I've had ten times the issues and frustrations getting some PC games to run. Whether it's a messed up driver from nvidia messing up my game or a GeForce update destroying my keybinds, audio drivers refusing to cooperate, direct X updates that won't install without a myriad of windows updates, etc. After a long download it took over two hours to get battlefield 1 to even WORK. And even after I got it running, it'd freeze every few minutes for 5-10 seconds.

PC doesn't have the same types of exclusives, and the ones I do play (Total War, Civ) are different types of games that I wouldn't play on console. I also greatly dislike the 360 controller, though there is DS4 support in steam now. I couldn't imagine waiting a year or more for ports on some games. It was bad enough with Rise of the tomb raider. Regardless, consoles have many games I enjoy that I can't get on PC and vice versa.

To me they are just two different platforms with different exclusives and different experiences. People who are PC Elitist (or fanboy in many cases) do nothing but sour the image of PC Gamers, who have been above the petty console wars for so long. In the end, I enjoy both and wish people would stop trying to convert each other.

 

[Osiris]

Doesn't bother me at all. It bothers me when people constantly perpetuate misconceptions from PC gaming that belong a decade in the past.

They are not a decade in the past for everyone, ask anone who suffered the "SSD + HDD complete freeze, reinstall Windows" problem with the Anniversary Update last year for instance, that took over 2 months to get fixed.

There may be less instances of them, but issues like that still happen, and put people off.

 

[IISANDERII]

Competitive shooter with a gamepad on PC = no fun because you'll get destroyed

 

[FriedConsole]

I sit at a PC all day lomg for work. It represents my ball and chain. My brain thinks the ball and chain is incapable of fun.

 

[Budi]

Money and maintenance, If I had a better job and more desire to know about each part of a PC, then i'd dive in, but for now, no.

I really don't think you have to. I don't, I asked around for friends to choose the parts and also assemble it. If someone doesn't have friends like that, they can use helpful Neogaf PC community to choose the parts for example. And let the shop assemble the PC. I assume that kind of service is available in PC stores outside of Finland too. But yeah, building a PC can be costly if you aim for a high end rig.

I sit at a PC all day lomg for work. It represents my ball and chain. My brain thinks the ball and chain is incapable of fun.

You should play something on that PC while working to shatter the illusion! PC:s make even working fun.

 

[EventHorizon]

The logic is sound, but this is still demonstrably not true for a whole host of reasons that crop up. Much the same way as the opposite can be said for PC, although to a much greater degree these end up coming to PC - though the difference between the two is more to do with a developer centric platform having such an absurdly large output of games

Just saying it's not true doesn't make it so. Recent PC games off the top of my head that are coming to consoles.

• Path to Exile
• Cities: Skylines
• Ark: Survival Evolved
• Killing Floor 2

I'd like to hear some of your "whole host of reasons" why you think successful PC games don't come to consoles since there appears to be a steady stream of them doing just that. As for console-to-PC games, you correctly contradict your own statement in the same sentence you make it. Platform holders make a large amount of games that will stay exclusive to the platform. Microsoft is the exception, but that's the exception that proves the rule and their game output has been shrinking anyway.

Since PCs don't have platform lock-ins, most successful games that can make the transition to consoles will do so. They have every reason to do so and none not to.

 

[New002]

I like consoles because I find them to be extremely straight forward. I've had very bad luck with PC gaming. Lots of headaches with drivers and performance.

That being said my goal is to build a top of the line PC in the next year or two instead of going the console route. Going to try again. I also really want something that can really take advantage of my 4k tv.

 

[shanafan]

Competitive shooter with a gamepad on PC = no fun because you'll get destroyed

I always beg to differ on this. I play FPS on my PC with the Xbox One Elite controller, and my K/D in Infinite Warfare is over 1. Same for BF1, my kills are higher than my deaths.

Never been destroyed yet!

 

[Brofield]

Nintendo, and I can't stand KB/M. I always need a controller in hand if I'm playing games.

Not to say I completely exclude PC games, but the only time I get competitive is with Age of Mythology. Otherwise it's all simulator games that don't require speed and precision to win.

 

[GRaider81]

i'm all for people playing on whatever damn system they want, but i must say that many of the fears i see listed here sound like warnings from your neighbour's son in the mid 90s, which surprises me in a forum of people i'd imagine to largely be tech savvy.

i've had my current gaming pc for 3.5 years, it's still going strong. i don't actively like windows 7 but it runs fine. i have windows updates switched off, i can't remember the last time i had to update a driver, this pc has honestly never crashed on me that i remember. upgrading the graphics card last year took all of 5 minutes.

that said, if you prefer console, do you.

Yeah i dont get it.

I understand exclusives being a reason. Even the controller and friends lists reasons.

But some of the perceived tech issues are way out of touch.

Alternative facts i guess.

 

[Theonik]

Digital Distribution. Though I do actually play on PC. Will just not play there until things are sub £10.

 

[Dropline]

Well, I have a PS4 Pro, a Wii U and a rig that permits me to top most games at 50-60fps at 1440p.

The thing is that although the IQ on my rig is awesome, I realized that my favorite games are Sony exclusives, Nintendo exclusives, or japanese RPGs that comes on PC late and/or unoptimized. So basicaly, beside Ys and the Kiseki series, I barely play on my PC.

Plus, playing on my consoles is more comfy and convenient for me. Last time I tried to hook my PC to my TV, I didin't find a beautiful and convenient way to launch netflix, games, music and Bluray discs from my couch with only my gamepad.

 

[Brix]

PS4 exclusives. Naughty dog games, Bloodborne (2 more from software exclusives), Spiderman, God of War, Horizon, Gravity Rush 2, Persona 5, Nioh etc. I can't get these on PC.

 

[neerg]

I used to be an exclusive pc gamer but moved to console.

It was the convenience, and that's still true today.
No matter what anyone says it is still easier to have a couch setup for console, and there is still less maintenance to do on a console than on pc.


I do miss games like Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines though.

 

[Tomtis]

Many of the arguments in this thread was valid like 10 years ago.

 

[erpg]

Because usability, convenience, playing with friends and family matter more to me than graphics.

 

[Muzicfreq]

You seem to have selective memory. I can recall many threads on console performance / crashing issues too.

It also comes from having higher standards, a lot of complaints in PC performance threads are about edge cases and the game clearly not performing compared to the hardware it runs on. 99% of these are fixed within a week or 2 through patches.

Which games? Also iirc PC gamers still cannot play Arkham Knight

 

[FriedConsole]

You should play something on that PC while working to shatter the illusion! PC:s make even working fun.

That would work because I would get fired. However, it would create bigger problems.

 

[Budi]

Plus, playing on my consoles is more comfy and convenient for me. Last time I tried to hook my PC to my TV, I didin't find a beautiful and convenient way to launch netflix, games, music and Bluray discs from my couch with only my gamepad.

There's a software called controller companion, can't say much more about it since I have a Steam controller so that program isn't needed for me. Also small wireless keyboard with touchpad could be handy, especially when searching for movies by name in Netflix or music in Spotify. Definitely more comfortable than typing with a controller.

That would work because I would get fired. However, it would create bigger problems.

In that case, not recommended!

Which games? Also iirc PC gamers still cannot play Arkham Knight

Wrong. You get to play the best version of that game, for just 20 bucks on Steam! And that's without a sale.

 

[GenericUser]

Expensive to build

Don't want to "waste time" selecting and assembling the parts

Don't want to take care of software configurations

 

[franklyshankly]

Last time I tried to hook my PC to my TV, I didin't find a beautiful and convenient way to launch netflix, games, music and Bluray discs from my couch with only my gamepad.

Steam controller is pretty decent for this. Works as a mouse on the desktop.

I am a PC and PS4 person, with my PC hooked up to my TV as well. It definitely is easier than it used to be. I think it is a bit disingenuous to say there is never additional tweaking or technical issues involved with PC gaming, however. Is it a deal breaker? No it shouldn't be for most people, but it does exist and pretending it's a complete non issue doesn't really add credibility to the argument.

On the flip side, as I said the issues aren't usually things that should be a deal breaker, so I think there's hyperbole on both sides.

 

[Estocolmo]

Since 2009 I switched from PC to Mac and I never want to go back to that problem infested platform again.

I do all my gaming on Xbox and this works great for me.

 

[Ganado]

There are more exclusives on PC than the entire library of ps1,2 and 3 combined. There are entire genres that arent on consoles, with entire histories, hyped games, surprise releases and big dissapointments.

I can assure you there are heaps of games that could interest you, but since you dont game on PC, how would you know ?

Because it's easier to be ignorant.

 

[Ensoul]

First you know that 7-8 years is no longer a thing. That's a relic of the 7th gen. The PS4 is already becoming outdated, especially as consoles have become more and more like PC's.

Second to your latter point. It's all about staying on top of things. Just like I have for my consoles. I sold my PS4 before the Slim/Pro announcement and I got $300 for it. After buying the Pro I got $40 I think back from an Amazon price match. PC is the same way.

The only reason my parts below cost that mucj was because I went with a really high end CPU and contingent parts. That being said over 5 years I spent only about $250 on my GPU upgrade upgrades and the processor I had 5 years ago still trashed the PS4's.

Fair enough about the upgrading but how much did the PC cost originally though? Did he have a $400 computer or $1000 computer? My guess is that if he is only spending $500.00 bucks in 5 years his computer was probably pretty good to begin with.

As for the 6-7 year cycle I guess we will see. The ps4 will be 4 years old in November. I don't expect the PS5 until the PS4 has been around for 5 or 6 years.

 

[Spman2099]

I play on my PC occasionally, but I keep running into niggling problems, and I have to do more tech support for more games than I would like. Text was too small in one of the Total War games, had to get a patch to fix it. My video card was known to cause problems with one of the Witcher games, had to get a patch for that as well. Connecting to people online in Bloodbowl was a complete mess. Crawl is great, but I had a hard time getting more than three controllers linked at a time. It goes on and on. I hate that element of PC gaming.

Console gaming has gotten less convenient with the day one patches and large installs, but it is still FAR less of a headache.

Beyond that, I just find console gaming to be more comfortable. I could maybe get an intuitive setup that was connected directly to my TV, but I somehow doubt I would use it as much as my PS4. On that note, my PS4 has a ton of really great exclusive games. That instantly cuts the PC out as my main console.

 

[Quonny]

No rentals.

I mean, yeah, PC has good sales, but I can get Mass Effect or any other game for $6 at launch and have a month to complete it.

No sale, no matter how good, will come anywhere close to matching that.

 

[shinobi602]

Mostly exclusives.

So with that, once I own a console, the machines still put out incredible looking games to me so subsequently I don't feel a need to build a PC for games to look somewhat better. I almost exclusively buy discs too since they hold more value to me (resell, loan).

And I also just don't feel like bothering to shop for RAM, GPUs, troubleshooting, etc.

 

[JDH]

I can't be bothered with installation problems, drivers etc. I just insert the disc in my console and play

This x1000

 

[Granjinha]

holy shit at the amount of stupidity in this thread

Im close to giving up on pc gaming after just building one recently, Im just disappointed in it to be honest, its not like it used to be.

indeed it's not

it's better

 

[amardilo]

I got my first gaming PC a few months ago but I now find myself in a spot where I play most of my single player games on PC but multiplayer on consoles.

I am the only one of my friends that plays on PC so I prefer to play multiplayer games with them.

Also I am not quick enough to use a mouse and keyboard and I feel more comfortable holding a controller so I am very poor at PC multiplayer.

I have found MS' Play Anywhere feature has allowed me the best of both worlds as I've been playing Gears of War 4 on PC while my friends are on consoles.

 

[EventHorizon]

First you know that 7-8 years is no longer a thing. That's a relic of the 7th gen. The PS4 is already becoming outdated, especially as consoles have become more and more like PC's.

Say what now? How is the PS4 already becoming outdated? Horizon: Zero Dawn is coming out in about a month and it is gorgeous.

 

[Dropline]

There's a software called controller companion, can't say much more about it since I have a Steam controller so that progman isn't needed for me. Also small wireless keyboard with touchpad could be handy, especially when searching for movies by name in Netflix or music in Spotify. Definitely more comfortable than typing with a controller.

Exactly what I want to avoid.

 

[Quonny]

holy shit at the amount of stupidity in this thread

Quote people and engage them.

These shitty, vague attacks are embarrassing.

 

[shandy706]

That would work because I would get fired. However, it would create bigger problems.

Your company sucks.


Haha...jk, would probably get a lot of people let go.

Thankfully we're basically our own bosses where I work as long as we get work done. I'll play easier games sometimes. I like to play Prison Architect at work since we all have dual or triple monitor setups here. I'll just stick it on one of my screens and mess with it as I work.

As for PC gaming...I've been doing it since the 80's, so can't relate to not doing it or wanting to. I currently have 4 gaming PCs and a gaming laptop at home. 3 of the gaming PCs are hooked up to TVs in different rooms. One gaming PC is actually at a desk (where I do some photoshop/editing for fun stuff).

Then we have our PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U too.

Last night I was streaming the NFL games from my Xbox One while playing 8 Bit Armies on my laptop, haha.

 

[ReaperXL7]

Mostly cost. The long term cost reduction makes it worth it but the initial cost to transition is fairly high in comparison to consoles if you want to invest in a PC that will last awhile. It doesn't help when your starting from zero.

 

[shanafan]

No rentals.

I mean, yeah, PC has good sales, but I can get Mass Effect or any other game for $6 at launch and have a month to complete it.

No sale, no matter how good, will come anywhere close to matching that.

Origin Access ($4.99 per month) has a 10 hour trial for Mass Effect Andromeda available on 3/16.

 

[Aztechnology]

Fair enough about the upgrading but how much did the PC cost originally though? Did he have a $400 computer or $1000 computer? My guess is that if he is only spending $500.00 bucks in 5 years his computer was probably pretty good to begin with.

As for the 6-7 year cycle I guess we will see. The ps4 will be 4 years old in November. I don't expect the PS5 until the PS4 has been around for 5 or 6 years.

He is me.

Originally it was like an $800 machine. But I bought more than I needed at the time, 16GB of RAM was overkill at the time, bought a modular PSU and then used all the cords anyway lol. Things like that. Plus I needed a PC anyway. Multi-purpose device.

Say what now? How is the PS4 already becoming outdated? Horizon: Zero Dawn is coming out in about a month and it is gorgeous.

Becoming outdated. Compared to the PRO and I assume Scorpio it is. I mean yes it still works great and everything but so does forward compatibility on PC games if we're going by that metric. I'm just saying I'm pretty sure we'll be into a new iteration/gen here in another two years. The Pro will take the place of the PS4.

 

[joecanada]

For everyone saying Windows: you'd be surprised how much easier 10 is to use over past iterations. It's fantastically simple. No driver issues. No crashes. Flawless.

Don't let Apple's marketing dissuade you from PC gaming.



You must be stoked for the Switch then

This isn't really true but I'm not here to spread baseless fear. A quick Google search will show that win 10 still has tons of issues I've ran into at least 3 this year alone.

Also comfy couch unfortunately is a reason for me I could never get my Xbox wireless adapter to work at all , although I should probably try ds4 on steam see if I can get that to run wireless. Also can't run it in anything but duplicate screen as Windows 10 hates my tv or something which is a drag.

 

[Spirited]

Which games? Also iirc PC gamers still cannot play Arkham Knight

You recall wrong

 

[Quonny]

Origin Access ($4.99 per month) has a 10 hour trial for Mass Effect Andromeda available on 3/16.

But that's nowhere close to rentals. $12/month two games at a time play as long as I want any game I want doesn't equal demoing a couple games from one publisher.

 

[Lupercal]

Say what now? How is the PS4 already becoming outdated? Horizon: Zero Dawn is coming out in about a month and it is gorgeous.

It'll look 10x better on PC.

 

[Evolution of Metal]

Which games? Also iirc PC gamers still cannot play Arkham Knight

Worked well on Nvidia hardware (770 GTX) with occasional stuttering, medium tier AMD cards still have unacceptable stutters. This was in the early 2016, but I am not aware of more performance patches.

 

[Aske]

i'm all for people playing on whatever damn system they want, but i must say that many of the fears i see listed here sound like warnings from your neighbour's son in the mid 90s, which surprises me in a forum of people i'd imagine to largely be tech savvy.

Plenty of us aren't that tech savvy. I wouldn't even change up the HDD in my PS4 because researching the SSD and mucking about to get it in the console isn't sufficiently user friendly. The N64 expansion pak is more my speed. The idea of building a PC is exhausting and miserable.

Let me buy a box I can plug and play. I don't care if it needs to update and install a bunch of data if that process just involves me pressing X a few times. I do care if I have to Google exactly what I need to download to get things working.