Jasper Avenue
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I don't have the time to fool around with settings and optimization. When I was single with no kids, I loved gaming on PC. Now that I'm married and have 2 little ones, console gaming is a way better use of my time.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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Aztechnology
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What are you playing that's on console as well that has rampant cheating? Or just in general for that matter. What games are you having that issue with?
MaverickHunterAsh
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Because Nintendo and PlayStation exclusives, convenience, and the comfort of the traditional TV experience are a million times more important to me than prettier graphics, and graphics are already plenty gorgeous on consoles. We've long since reached the point of severely diminishing returns where generational advances in graphics are concerned.
Also, MMOs, shooters, and playing anything with a mouse and keyboard all hold absolutely zero appeal for me.
Finally, I've been a Mac user ever since I was first introduced to computers as a kid. That tends to help drive one away from PC gaming too.
Also, MMOs, shooters, and playing anything with a mouse and keyboard all hold absolutely zero appeal for me.
Finally, I've been a Mac user ever since I was first introduced to computers as a kid. That tends to help drive one away from PC gaming too.
Interfectum
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Yup this is me (though only 1 kid). Standby mode is a godsend.
njean777
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My wrists. I like shooters and when playing for a long time using a kb/m it starts to hurt my wrists. Considering that playing shooters online with a controller would be less then idea,l I just stick to consoles as my wrists do not start to hurt after an hour or so. I have tried a padded mouse pad and wrists rests but none of them have worked.
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Steam Controller is the only controller I use - suitable for typing / web browsing / windows stuff / and every game I've come across, from RTS to CRPG to Fighting, FPS, Twin Stick shooters etc etc, really the best part of the set up. I do have a wireless mouse and keyboard should I need it, but I don't bother with it for the most part. Biggest advantage is being able to sit on the couch with the dog (impossible with any keyboard setup in the lounge)
Steam Link is for a separate room. I tend to move frequently for work / trips so the PC is either in the lounge or wherever there is a desk, Link alternates to the other location, whatever makes sense.
Only problem I have is that the BPM web browser is unreliable for some sites and some beta patches where it is both fixed or broken, so best stick to the main client version. I prefer just using chrome on the desktop - easy to reach using the Steam Chord functions, but the mouse and keyboard are under the sofa, so easy to switch if I really want to
Vulcano's assistant
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For the same reason there are people into photography that don't even do interchangeable lenses. Money and time.
there is a line between recreation and hobby.
there is a line between recreation and hobby.
Do you use the analog stick for fighting games? I can't imagine sticking to using Steam Controller's trackpad-as-dpad mappings for a fighting game.
Iriscomeback
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I need a couch and I don't want a pc in the living room.
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LukasTaves
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I tried the steam controller, didn't liked it at all, but is it possible with a xbox controller? Can I just start the Pc up and go to steam big pic mode using only a controller?
Well, I dunno how it is on ps4, but on my xbone I don't ever remember the last time I went to start the game and couldn't because it had to download a patch.
And so does my xbone, but my point is that it does without any interaction for me. And I'm on the xbox insider preview, so whenever there's a big update coming it updates daily without me even noticing.
And you can't go without drivers forever. A quick google search showed plenty of users not being to play BF1 on amd cards because it needed a driver update. Other results showed nvidia users having issues because the newest driver caused problems and had to rollback.
My last gaming Pc i had a driver issue because it had a modified intel wifi card to support wimax (or something like tha, sold at best buyt) and on wondows newest than win7 the drivers had an issue that caused the pc to restart on its own. It can't imagine how tiring was to troubleshoot and ultimately resolve the issue, and yes, it was a very specific case but that's the deal with pc gaming, it just too open to have any ensurance that your specific setup won't go to shit.
Can I set up a party with voice chat on steam and invite the whole party to the game I'm playing? Was that recent, because when I tried I had to invite one by one, and try to use other platforms to talk to them.
I'm not, it's just a more complicated setup due it's own open nature
, steam has come a long way to make that better, but it's still a os not designed for console gaming, and until they change it, it won't be as convinient.
RichiRamjag
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Your post works for this one too btw.
The one you agreed with
I agree that it's not seamless, sure. I also said he took some liberties (especially with the mouse and keyboard falling all over the place). I can only speak from my experience of course, but as someone who spent years assisting customers with PC issues for a living, it's never truly "seamless". I also mention that consoles have gotten closer to this problem in regards to updates. This is why I feel that PC is a great platform if you have the right expectations going in. Telling someone it's completely seamless is doing them a disservice in my opinion.
This is why I constantly reference one's attitude when speaking about these matters. Sorry if that messed up your big "gotcha" moment. =P
What, only positive? Hell no, one positive I'm taking advantage of right now, is playing Hearthstone while alt tabbing to read and post in this thread. Very convenient. Also very easy to look up facts on the same browser but another tab while doing all this. And also a podcast playing in the background. All this with just one machine, no need to tinker with a phone for example. And this happens with a TV as a monitor and a couch to comfortably sit on. How isn't this a positive? Also perfomance on the games is a positive, not just the graphics. The biggest game library is a positive and the price of those games. Free online is a positive. The options in controller input is a positive.
Guardian Monkey
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You run steamlink wireless or hardWired?
Also sorry edit how long did it take you to get use to the Steam controller?
Spyder_Monkey
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I can't afford it.
I game on everything but I am in my late 30s so I can own everything including a gaming PC.
But this weekend I was able to get a bf1 themed Xbox one for $250 bucks for my son that included the game. Sorry but that's a price that PC gaming can not compete against. So it makes sense and let's be honest for certain people there is a barrier as setting up a PC to game takes some understanding of where to go and what to do.
Beyond that... I am not a new gamer and understand what I am doing but it can be frustrating when things that worked yesterday now have driver issues or something else changed. I prefer PC gaming but let's not pretend it's perfect or that consoles do not fit a specific type of gamer better.
But this weekend I was able to get a bf1 themed Xbox one for $250 bucks for my son that included the game. Sorry but that's a price that PC gaming can not compete against. So it makes sense and let's be honest for certain people there is a barrier as setting up a PC to game takes some understanding of where to go and what to do.
Beyond that... I am not a new gamer and understand what I am doing but it can be frustrating when things that worked yesterday now have driver issues or something else changed. I prefer PC gaming but let's not pretend it's perfect or that consoles do not fit a specific type of gamer better.
SmokedMeat
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Most of these sound like personal issues. It's not your PC's fault if you can't keep a record of your logins and passwords.
mcdomination
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This too!
If I could rent PC games from RedBox.......eh, who am I kidding. It still wouldn't be enough for me to care.
Warnen
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Nothing on consoles, had the issue with Division on PC.
Hollywood Hitman
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Lol i apologize but this thread is getting so far fetched now I don't even have words. You're making it seem like adjusting settings requires the time one would invest in an MMO and being married and having kids allows for no time to simply select a few settings lol what?
I'm married and believe me I've never had to put off anything in life due to adjusting some settings lol
For me it is just too much hassle. I play most of my games on portables for convenience, and occasionally play on console when I need something on the big screen. In addition, my PC has enough of a struggle just running Windows 10 so gaming is not an option.
If there was a handheld gaming PC similar to a Vita (with buttons and not just streaming), priced in the $200 to $300 range, I might try PC gaming.
If there was a handheld gaming PC similar to a Vita (with buttons and not just streaming), priced in the $200 to $300 range, I might try PC gaming.
Sorry wasn't aware they had put it back up on steam
http://www.pcgamer.com/did-they-fix-batman-arkham-knight/
All I remember is that the game ran on the consoles but was a shit show on PC for a while to where there was refunds issued and being fully pulled.
old news I know but after hearing they pulled it I didn't expect much and lost interest
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That was almost 2 years ago
Aztechnology
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Everyone regardless of platform had problems with glittery hung and cheating with the Division lol. It was a disaster. I got it on PS4 and people were shooting me through the map in the DZ and stuff. It was stupid. I don't think that qualifies as rampant cheating across the platform though. I think cheating in general has become much more tame over the years. I've been happy with the progress msdec in general with better anti-cheat systems and for that matter anti piracy stuff too.
RichiRamjag
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Lol. Did you expect anything less when you made the thread?
Nope - the pad as a dpad, and it works once you figure out the mechanics of it and set it to how you want. Played through the entirety of MK9 with it including the ridiculous Shao Khan Raiden final fight better than I ever did with the 100 attempts with the 360 controller (while obviously easy to beat), same with SNES KI, doing all the old ultras and fatalities. Big breakthrough for me was realising my thumb was fat, and not to follow the guideline of the pad template, instead just the top and right guidelines of the horizontal and vertical lines respectively. Even using that pad as a dpad for all platformers like kero blaster and shovel knight. My only complaint as that I would rather the guidelines actually just be as I've stated, and easier to click in - which is my preferred way to play. Been messing around with fighting games "on touch" rather than "click" in MKX, and it does work - but it is a mindfuck to try and adapt to - so I don't recommend it. Set the dpad deadzone smaller than the default and just roll my thumb as with any nintendo pad of the past. With the haptics up I have no problem
Hollywood Hitman
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And that situation was pretty much a once in the blue moon ordeal.
Jeronimo Jones
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Simplicity and convenience.
No configuring/drivers/tinkering required.
No configuring/drivers/tinkering required.
Interesting. Maybe I'll give it another chance, thanks. When I first tried out the controller with 2D action games (Street Fighter, DoDonPachi), I absolutely couldn't stand the d-pad, but as you'd guess that was with default settings.
And by most you mean the first and only thing I mention about passwords? Look at other people's "reasons" and tell me those aren't personal either.
a 2014 game and a 2015 game? that... kinda feels like reaching in 2017.
i have no dog in this fight, and i'm not looking to give the impression pc gaming is 100% guaranteed issue free. all i'll say going off my own experience and that of friends, is that real issues that require troubleshooting seem to happen much more rarely nowadays. i'm not trying to lie and mislead people to sell pcs when i say i rarely update drivers and my pc never crashes. i'm sure this isn't the case for everyone, but i can't believe i'm an outlier either.
however in this thread i'm seeing people come up with reasons for sticking with consoles that i've been hearing since the 90s, that just aren't as applicable nowadays. it's all anecdotal though which is why i say just go with what suits you and bollocks to everyone else.
Devast8nDiscoDave81
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"post-purchase rationalisation"
These threads are always pretty dumb. Play games where you want. I have a gaming PC and all the consoles and play 90% of the time on PC. The big barrier for people with PC is the initial cost. No wants the $399 "good as PS4 Pro" PC. Everyone wants the best. They do not want to make the initial $1,000+ investment though, so drop out and go with the console for ease of initial investment. No biggie, they are missing out on a better over all experience, but are still getting an experience that makes them happy.
Lashley
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I can only hope you're trolling man
thunder_snail
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I don't think anyone would outright refuse to game on PC if they have access to a good gaming PC.
I can come up with few reasons why people don't go full PC only though.
Very few games are load and go. Often times, the built-in v-sync is crap so it needs to be forced, or framerate need limiting via external tools to minimize input lag. Also, it's hard to tell whether the settings you start with is actually optimal. You still need to configure the settings to look good and not drop your fps too much during the more intense parts of the game, not just the beginning sections.
Games being pretty is subjective. PC gets the best IQ, but art direction is important too. Games like Ni No Kuni, Journey, Flower all look amazing even with their technical limitations. And they're all last gen games! Recently, Gravity Rush 2 came out and that game looks mind blowing without having to rely on monster specs. I personally have a good pc (gtx1080, 6700k) yet no PC game looks as good as those games in my opinion. The Witness comes close though.
High budget games designed for PC are easy to fire and play (Blizzard games comes to mind), but a lot of games aren't at that level yet. If you actually care about graphical levels and how well the game controls, you'll most likely need to tinker around a bit.
In the end, my main point is that when you leave the main PC gaming scene (LoL, Valve, Blizzard etc), playing console ports on PC still isn't nearly as easy as playing on consoles.
I can come up with few reasons why people don't go full PC only though.
Very few games are load and go. Often times, the built-in v-sync is crap so it needs to be forced, or framerate need limiting via external tools to minimize input lag. Also, it's hard to tell whether the settings you start with is actually optimal. You still need to configure the settings to look good and not drop your fps too much during the more intense parts of the game, not just the beginning sections.
Games being pretty is subjective. PC gets the best IQ, but art direction is important too. Games like Ni No Kuni, Journey, Flower all look amazing even with their technical limitations. And they're all last gen games! Recently, Gravity Rush 2 came out and that game looks mind blowing without having to rely on monster specs. I personally have a good pc (gtx1080, 6700k) yet no PC game looks as good as those games in my opinion. The Witness comes close though.
High budget games designed for PC are easy to fire and play (Blizzard games comes to mind), but a lot of games aren't at that level yet. If you actually care about graphical levels and how well the game controls, you'll most likely need to tinker around a bit.
In the end, my main point is that when you leave the main PC gaming scene (LoL, Valve, Blizzard etc), playing console ports on PC still isn't nearly as easy as playing on consoles.
GoldenCrow
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I do game on PC and have done since DOS but will choose console over PC every time even though I have the system for better experiences. This is due to two reasons.
1) I dislike the OS. I have never liked WIndows and is an obnoxious layer between me and what I want to do. I was excited when Valve announced Steam OS but I don't like that either. Steam has also become a bugbear of mine recently, it is just as bad as Windows if not worse and another god damn layer I'm forced to go through which is shit and has poor UI/UX. Even though consoles are ever getting closer to that of the PC they are still nowhere near as bad especially as they require very little faff.
2) I spend far too much time in front of a computer I like that consoles give me that separation. PC VR does negate that slightly though.
1) I dislike the OS. I have never liked WIndows and is an obnoxious layer between me and what I want to do. I was excited when Valve announced Steam OS but I don't like that either. Steam has also become a bugbear of mine recently, it is just as bad as Windows if not worse and another god damn layer I'm forced to go through which is shit and has poor UI/UX. Even though consoles are ever getting closer to that of the PC they are still nowhere near as bad especially as they require very little faff.
2) I spend far too much time in front of a computer I like that consoles give me that separation. PC VR does negate that slightly though.
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Pretty much, there's sometimes exceptions, but yeah
Hollywood Hitman
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Also remember those issues are sometimes associated with people trying to push things like 2 or 3 monitors, or running sli etc...
Typically a turn it on and go approach works just like a console. The beauty is simply making the game look the way you want it to look. But there Is no requirement to fiddle with anything except maybe select a resolution
Typically a turn it on and go approach works just like a console. The beauty is simply making the game look the way you want it to look. But there Is no requirement to fiddle with anything except maybe select a resolution
Good point! Some people have multiple consoles and some people have PC and console(s). Though, if people can just afford or for principle sake just get one gaming platform. Ofcourse it's a valid reason then. Like I can't really afford every platform either, so I'll just stick with my PC and get Switch to compliment it. Both have more and better exclusives than PS4. So it's a choice I'm making.
PC gaming can be intimidating for a lot of people and they just don't feel like investing time into it. But at the same time it can be a very blissful experience. I think both sides are a bit jaded by some of the comments. Some of the things I like and dislike about PC gaming are:
I do not fancy the fragmented ecosystems. Having to manage Battlenet, Steam, Uplay, and Origin (Nvidia as well, but it happens in the the BG pretty seamlessly) is really cumbersome. I generally open them all before i head out for the day and have my computer sleep after an hour of inactivity, that way if there are any updates, they'll all update, and then the computer will sleep. It's simple to do, yes, but doesn't make it any less cumbersome.
On the flipside of that, there is no "Generations" with the PC. Your games will always work, regardless of how old. This is really big for me honestly, especially with the how the digital games purchased on past consoles not working with new ones even if it's made available on the for the new console digitally.
They keyboard an mouse took a min to get used too being a console only gamer at first.
However, once i got used to it, it allow versatility to the platform, giving you options on how to play games. In some cases, using a keyboard and mouse just allows for better flow of the game compared to a controller. (diablo 3 for example, even though they did a fantastic job translating to controller)
PC is definitely missing some great games between some due to 1st parties and some console exclusive games. That's pretty self explanatory... however
They have a ton of great exclusives that are console don't have as well. To those who say that PC exclusives don't interest you, have you actually tried them or is this just bias? I say this because games like Doom, The WItcher, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Diablo.. were all PC exclusives for a long time before they made the shift to console, and those are generally loved by the console masses. So are you really sure there aren't exclusives that don't interest you?
The games Generally come to Console first, with much less issues. This is also a big one. No one wants this after spending 60 bucks on a game. PERIOD.
Honestly you have to be ok with not being an early adopter with PC in some cases. The trade off is that you generally get great sales for these games on PC (which is the only upside to the multiple ecosystems, they tend to have their own sales),but you really ahve to weight. I got Mirror's Edge: Catalyst for 17 bucks on origin on black friday. That was awesome.
SO pretty much there isn't a clear reason to Play on PC vs consoles. It really is a preference. If the benefits of PC suits you more, then by all means, game on it, but if it's the other way around, then console it is. It really sint much of a debate for other than personal preference. I will say though some of the reason people don't game on PC is a bit misinformed, but after of years of it being a certain way i can see how info gets twisted and misconstrued.
I do not fancy the fragmented ecosystems. Having to manage Battlenet, Steam, Uplay, and Origin (Nvidia as well, but it happens in the the BG pretty seamlessly) is really cumbersome. I generally open them all before i head out for the day and have my computer sleep after an hour of inactivity, that way if there are any updates, they'll all update, and then the computer will sleep. It's simple to do, yes, but doesn't make it any less cumbersome.
On the flipside of that, there is no "Generations" with the PC. Your games will always work, regardless of how old. This is really big for me honestly, especially with the how the digital games purchased on past consoles not working with new ones even if it's made available on the for the new console digitally.
They keyboard an mouse took a min to get used too being a console only gamer at first.
However, once i got used to it, it allow versatility to the platform, giving you options on how to play games. In some cases, using a keyboard and mouse just allows for better flow of the game compared to a controller. (diablo 3 for example, even though they did a fantastic job translating to controller)
PC is definitely missing some great games between some due to 1st parties and some console exclusive games. That's pretty self explanatory... however
They have a ton of great exclusives that are console don't have as well. To those who say that PC exclusives don't interest you, have you actually tried them or is this just bias? I say this because games like Doom, The WItcher, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Diablo.. were all PC exclusives for a long time before they made the shift to console, and those are generally loved by the console masses. So are you really sure there aren't exclusives that don't interest you?
The games Generally come to Console first, with much less issues. This is also a big one. No one wants this after spending 60 bucks on a game. PERIOD.
Honestly you have to be ok with not being an early adopter with PC in some cases. The trade off is that you generally get great sales for these games on PC (which is the only upside to the multiple ecosystems, they tend to have their own sales),but you really ahve to weight. I got Mirror's Edge: Catalyst for 17 bucks on origin on black friday. That was awesome.
SO pretty much there isn't a clear reason to Play on PC vs consoles. It really is a preference. If the benefits of PC suits you more, then by all means, game on it, but if it's the other way around, then console it is. It really sint much of a debate for other than personal preference. I will say though some of the reason people don't game on PC is a bit misinformed, but after of years of it being a certain way i can see how info gets twisted and misconstrued.
Sounds like you don't like it very much if you're doing all those other things simultaneously. I'm invested in the experience while I'm playing if it's a game I enjoy. Being able to do a million things at the same time means the game isn't good enough to pay attention to on its own.
Warnen
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I played the game on Xbox One as well, nowhere near as bad as PC. Console you just have to deal with people exploiting glitches, PC people just run 3rd party programs that make them invincible, invisible inf ammo ect..
The aim bots and shit are a plague in PC games, I only listed Division because I don't play many PVP games so it was my only window into the problem.
EventHorizon
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Those boil down to "wouldn't work (which includes the economics) on a console" which kind of defeats the purpose if what I want is a console experience. Those games wouldn't sell on consoles because console gamers like myself wouldn't buy them if they were ported. For example, you weren't kidding about some of those games being too old to port. Why in the world do I care if Company of Heroes(2006) or Thief(1998) isn't ported?
For me the definition of outdated is that the platform can't enjoyably play new games any more or that those games can be enjoyed significantly more on newer platforms. Like I said, that isn't happening any time soon to the PS4 and nobody has give any evidence to the contrary of this.
The PS4 doesn't look outdated at all. One thing you are forgetting is that because consoles are a fixed platform with a large install base, games are designed to work with their specs. That's one of the benefits of consoles. Because of this, games that don't perform acceptably on consoles are said to be the problem of the game, not the platform. It's sort of like how PCs weren't blamed for not running Batman Arkham Knight particularly well at launch.
dlcnotincluded
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I have a friend who is in the "PC Master Race" spectrum, and is constantly shoving the
"PC is better/exclusives/I can get that on PC/Graphics" down our throats even when no one brings it up.
Despite that one quirk of his, he's an okay guy.
My issue is more of a personal one then just not wanting to play on PC.
"PC is better/exclusives/I can get that on PC/Graphics" down our throats even when no one brings it up.
Despite that one quirk of his, he's an okay guy.
My issue is more of a personal one then just not wanting to play on PC.
I've been on PC since 2011 and I can't comprehend why people think you have to tinker with settings and drivers. Maybe if you're playing ancient games on PC? I can see how that'd be tricky. But there are people here saying that you have to struggle with drivers and settings for all games, and that's a lie. I don't even remember when I last a problem with drivers, definitely hasn't happened on my current PC at least.
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