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KidA Seven said:
Not sure when it starts. Could be 30 minutes from now or 1.5 hours from now.
https://www.twitch.tv/daigothebeastv
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I love ST, even with how batshit insane and busted it is. Watching high level Guile and Ryu play a fireball war is so good. It sucks that most games have such shitty projectile games, you basically have to go full anime these days to get something strong. Even when Injustice had deathstroke, as hilarious as it was, didn't seem too interesting. I did find Aris camping the missile in the hangar during tournaments pure comedy though.
 
Lol, according to chat translations, Daigo is picking all the cheap characters because he wants to do anything to win, so he is playing pyron.
 
SixMachine said:
Lol, according to chat translations, Daigo is picking all the cheap characters because he wants to do anything to win, so he is playing pyron.
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Nah Daigo loves Pyron. I think that's his favorite Vampire character. Though he did pick O Sagat for that reason as his teammates were telling him "don't hold back!"
 
Daigo has more backbreakers than Bane! These running clothesline footsies are hilarious.

edit: Oh wait he decided to play the monkey instead of the rock guy. RIP Daigo.

According to the ruleset, since Team High Score Girl won King of Monsters, even though they lost in ST and VH, they beat Team Daigo.

I really like that japan seems to do these non-tournament events, and it seems Daigo takes a liking to them. I wonder if the States would support more of these kinds of things, even if they can get really weird. Since tournaments will usually have more hardcore people, in these events maybe casual fans will be interested in going and goofing around like the cosplay one or just seeing pros do something like this.
 
We are never going to have a fighting game ever again where 7 years after release someone is using a new combination of characters and people are like "man how do I solve this puzzle of a team?" Players are still dumbfounded by RyanLV's team, reminds me of the first time people were trying to play against ChrisG's MorriDoom or when America's best were demolished by team Nemo.

The ability to scale your in game knowledge/creativity and mechanics with lab time, experience and practice is unparalleled in my eyes. So many teams that were created at home in training mode, even the best ones started somewhere before getting optimized and iterated on (like ChrisG's team where he home brewed with Morrigan and Dante first).
 
I had lobster pizza. So good. Chinese pizza is good too but there's nothing to it.

For minute I thought that was Count playing Marvel.
 
Dahbomb said:
RyanLV is going to take EVO with Chun Li.
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I just enjoy watching her fly to the top of the screen vs Astral vision. She's damned fun though. Props to him for getting damage on a team with her. Heh...Chun+Modok would just be some mad timer scam with that screen climbing shit. Behold a team more boo-ed than Morridoom should a timer scam team actually work.
 
Dahbomb said:
RyanLV is going to take EVO with Chun Li.
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if he runs into clockwork, angelic or chris g before top 8 then he might lose because those 3 have already begun solving how to beat him pretty handily. chris has the lowest chance but that's because there's somewhat of an ongoing battle there. both dudes adapt really hard to each other every time they play in tourney and clearly go back to think about how to approach the match whenever they lose so they have new shit vs. each other every time they play.

i'm really curious to see how cross, nemo and RF would do against ryan since his playstyle and team gives them enough space to really get goin' and they're all extremely good at chasing/lockdown alongside taking advantage of landing situations

i actually think KBR stands a really strong chance against him as well simply due to his experience and playstyle- dude will burn all his resources to coinflip you to death but he's great at actually forcing people into those situations, even if they're trying to run.
i really hope they run into each other at undefeated because i REALLY wanna see how that match turns out
 
He already beat ChrisG in team tournament 3-1 and last time at SCR.

Clockwork isn't there but he might get to fight Angelic.

Chun Li beats Wolverine in the match up though.
 
Dahbomb said:
He already beat ChrisG in team tournament 3-1 and last time at SCR.

Clockwork isn't there and he'a fighting Angelic next so we will see what happens.

Chun Li beats Wolverine in the match up though.
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yeah, that's why i said chris probably has the lowest chance out of the 3. it looks like ryan actively goes out of his way to study those matches while chris seems like he goes in with a general new idea on how to approach the matchup and tries it on the fly

angelic beat ryan at EVO and out of those three it seems like he just has more experience/exposure vs. ryan in general. the other side to that is that ryan has actually had massive, massive improvement within the past year- he went from being 'one of the best morrigans' to 'probably the actual best morrigan by a large margin'. his morrigan right now is kind of ridiculous, seriously. every aspect of it is unbelievably top notch and when he plays he has the perfect mix of decision making, tech and nuttiness that makes him look like a hybrid of chrisg and terry bogard.

probably the biggest threat to him is clockwork 'cuz every single time they've played clockwork has annihilated him. whenever it's close, it's because clockwork does a clockwork-y thing and almost loses the match to himself despite having been in control of the match 90% of the time. his team just has a massive natural advantage there vs ryan's gameplan.
 
No top team should be losing neutral against God damn Chun Li with no neutral assist. What are all these Zero May Cry players doing? Zero plus Jam Session should own that team free. Like yeah Cloud does a bit better in the match up (because he plays RyanLV more) but he still got washed yesterday.
 
just set up my banapass for tekken 7. it's so cool that they brought all the player card stuff here - it even knows which arcade i played at!
 
Dahbomb said:
No top team should be losing neutral against God damn Chun Li with no neutral assist. What are all these Zero May Cry players doing? Zero plus Jam Session should own that team free. Like yeah Cloud does a bit better in the match up (because he plays RyanLV more) but he still got washed yesterday.
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it's because you have to approach that team in such an unconventional way and the only time you can ever test anything vs it is ingame vs. ryan. the basic big thing that comes to mind immediately is doing shit while she lands from her DPs (tenkyokens?) but that's obviously the first thing ryan is looking out for when he lands. from what i've seen and heard ryan's defensive game for that landing is unbelievable.

rayray money matched ryan a few times trying to figure out that matchup last year and couldn't figure out a solid way to approach it- shit is really weird and requires a lot of experimentation on the fly.

there's also a large aspect of being unfamiliar w chun's matchup stuff too though. there's a lot of stuff ryan does that is unsafe but he never gets punished for it so he gets away with murder. i've seen so many whiffed/blocked SBKs and folks are terrified to challenge it because ryan makes the move look like haggar lariat or some shit due to it's insane anti-air hitbox. whenever you see him do a superjump SBK that goes unpunished, that's matchup unfamiliarity. chun can't actually act after doing an air SBK until she lands (like ryu's tatsu)

in general it's just that the team is such a huge puzzle to solve specifically because of how unconventional it is. you don't get a lot of chances to try your solutions because at some point morrigan is going to come in and you've effectively lost vs a fully stocked astraled morrigan who has dark phoenix sitting in the back.
 
That's a lot of words to explain match up familiarity because that's exactly what it is. He's getting away with stuff because of a lack of knowledge. It's not his fault but rather the fault of the other players for not researching. Most of them probably have never labbed against Chun Li for a solid period of time.

6-7 years into the game and we still got a new puzzle to solve.
 
Dahbomb said:
That's a lot of words to explain match up familiarity because that's exactly what it is. He's getting away with stuff because of a lack of knowledge. It's not his fault but rather the fault of the other players for not researching. Most of them probably have never labbed against Chun Li for a solid period of time.

6-7 years into the game and we still got a new puzzle to solve.
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it's more than just labbing it out, which is what makes it annoying to deal with. dudes definitely go into the lab to try and figure out good ways to deal w/ it, but it's hard to translate that into live play. it seems so straightforward on paper but in action it's always gonna be a different deal- you're not really labbing out 'setups' but rather attempting to lab out a neutral situation that has an insanely wide range of possibilities due to the spacing. ryan's chun doesn't commit to shit- it's the equivalent of how noel's gameplan is to hold upback and wait for you to come at him while calling his assist w solid spacing/footsies. it's not something you lab out because it's so simple on paper, it's something you have to play out to figure out how to deal with.

the arizona and LV dudes that i've talked to for a brief bit about their exp. vs him all have varying answers and none of them are really "great" - the most common one was punishing morrigan assist as catching chun-li is way too hard while punishing morrigan is risk-averse. however, only certain chars can do that well as ryan calls morrigan in situations that will turn your char around if you try to punish her.

a lot of folks seem to miss that ryan's ground game is ridiculous as well so that plays a major factor into him taking advantage of folks thinking he's gonna just jump away all game in a one-dimensional manner.

i dunno, it's something where if i think about it in broad terms it seems super simple but when i start considering actual gameplay factors things get messy and veer into hard unknown territories really fast.
based on clockwork's results and why his team has so much success vs ryan my mind pretty much immediately goes to that super old variant of team scrub in wesker/vergil/strider as a potential counterpick but nobody really plays that anymore so welp
 
Dahbomb said:
We are never going to have a fighting game ever again where 7 years after release someone is using a new combination of characters and people are like "man how do I solve this puzzle of a team?" Players are still dumbfounded by RyanLV's team, reminds me of the first time people were trying to play against ChrisG's MorriDoom or when America's best were demolished by team Nemo.

The ability to scale your in game knowledge/creativity and mechanics with lab time, experience and practice is unparalleled in my eyes. So many teams that were created at home in training mode, even the best ones started somewhere before getting optimized and iterated on (like ChrisG's team where he home brewed with Morrigan and Dante first).
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Wasn't this the case with Marvel 2 as well? I wasn't around for that scene but my understanding is that there was quite a bit of evolution in team choice. Providing the moving parts of character and assist combinations allows for much more creativity than traditional fighting game structures.
 
JeTmAn81 said:
Wasn't this the case with Marvel 2 as well? I wasn't around for that scene but my understanding is that there was quite a bit of evolution in team choice. Providing the moving parts of character and assist combinations allows for much more creativity than traditional fighting game structures.
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Less of a factor in Marvel 2 because the top tiers were so ahead of others. The top teams were figured out sooner than one would expect and the lower characters could not compete.

In Marvel 3 we still have lower tier characters creeping up here and there because the tier gap was never that high to begin with. There are also more mechanics that can be exploited by lower tier characters like TACs and X factor.

In Marvel 3 you have a cluster of top tier 5-6 characters... then you have a cluster of really strong "high" tier characters which is like 10 characters deep, then you have another cluster of 10 upper midish characters that veer their head in the tournament scene here and there. That's a lot deeper into the roster than Marvel 2 goes in to.

I know it's a meme and all but this is why patches are so important for these kind of games. Improving character strengths and tools explodes the potential team configurations you can make in the game. Improving just one character has triple the effect on variety but it can go the other way too.


wesker/vergil/strider as a potential counterpick but nobody really plays that anymore so welp
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I considered that too but RyanLV murders any team with Strider in it that doesn't have Vergil like sword normals to contest Chun Li/Morrigan assist. The Up Kicks with Chun Li easily punishes Vajra at high heights and RyanLV is on point with that.

And Wesker doesn't do shit against Chun Li, terrible match up in fact.
 
Poor Wesker. I don't think I've ever seen a character leave the top echelon as fast as he did. To me it doesn't seem that he was bad so much as that he didn't really have anything unique to offer.
 
Dahbomb said:
I considered that too but RyanLV murders any team with Strider in it that doesn't have Vergil like sword normals to contest Chun Li/Morrigan assist. The Up Kicks with Chun Li easily punishes Vajra at high heights and RyanLV is on point with that.

And Wesker doesn't do shit against Chun Li, terrible match up in fact.
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the big thing that kills strider is tenkyoken and SBK both hitting/avoiding strider at those superjump heights. vergil's normals don't really factor into that chasing aspect at that height insomuch as his teleports are extremely ambiguous and tenkyoken is a DP motion so if he times his teleport and strider correctly ryan gets his inputs mixed up and can't tenkyoken to hit strider.

you see it happen a lot in their matches alongside the situation where his normals do factor in- vergil just hitting chun trying to land with something thanks to his massive normals.
my thought is specifically that wesker has similar goofy teleport mixups/input fuckery and the ability to catch landing chars almost as well thanks to his general array of tools.
if morrigan gets to go through at the very least you've got vergil/strider sitting in the back, i guess. i dunno, it's a really surface-level counterpick thought, haha.

also that's a really firm statement for a matchup i've literally never seen before. where would you even get wesker vs chun matchup knowledge from..?

NEO0MJ said:
Poor Wesker. I don't think I've ever seen a character leave the top echelon as fast as he did. To me it doesn't seem that he was bad so much as that he didn't really have anything unique to offer.
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the biggest thing is just that he gets annihilated by the actual top tier characters. zero and morrigan are nearly impossible matchups for him. he's in a 'gatekeeper' kinda spot where he can't even remotely swing at the 2 best characters in the game but can either go toe-to-toe or straight beat most of the rest of the cast. since most folks just used him for the purpose of xf anchoring he left those teams real fast once vergil was figured out. the rest of the weskers were choked out of existence by the saturation of morrigans and zeroes because mid-level competitive players using those characters are still a nightmare for wesker
 
You can say that about a lot of characters. A lot of characters can't do much against Zero and Morrigan. Then there's a section of characters who can't do much against Vergil.

also that's a really firm statement for a matchup i've literally never seen before. where would you even get wesker vs chun matchup knowledge from..?
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Same way Wolverine gets beat by Chun Li. Chun Li is rarely on the ground, so gun shot isn't going to do much against her. And Chun Li can easily rushdown and pressure Wesker, which he struggles at. Wesker on the other hand can't really pressure Chun Li because she has like 3 get off me tools. In scramble situations, Chun Li will win out too.

You are never going to see RyanLV lose to a Wesker.


Poor Wesker. I don't think I've ever seen a character leave the top echelon as fast as he did. To me it doesn't seem that he was bad so much as that he didn't really have anything unique to offer.
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There were two kinds of Wesker players at the start.

There were the "Wesker gets a multiplicative boost while he has shades and XF on... so he essentially has XF4" players and put him at the back for anchor purposes. Those players dropped Wesker with the swiftness once people figured out that Vergil in XF3 with DT is XF5 and brings way more to the team.

Then there were point Wesker players who started struggling against point Zero/Morrigan/Wolverine/Magneto, the most common point characters. Can't really do much when some of your worst match ups are at the top so people switched out to one of those characters instead.
 
Dahbomb said:
You can say that about a lot of characters. A lot of characters can't do much against Zero and Morrigan. Then there's a section of characters who can't do much against Vergil.


Same way Wolverine gets beat by Chun Li. Chun Li is rarely on the ground, so gun shot isn't going to do much against her. And Chun Li can easily rushdown and pressure Wesker, which he struggles at. Wesker on the other hand can't really pressure Chun Li because she has like 3 get off me tools. In scramble situations, Chun Li will win out too.

You are never going to see RyanLV lose to a Wesker.
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i don't really think wolverine loses to chun either so i guess our views of how the characters operate are too different, haha.
this is just making me wish that FGTV guy who played that version of team scrub still played. or anyone, really- it's something i've never witnessed and watching a great wesker is just a joy in general.

and yeah, there's a wide range of chars at that 'gatekeeper' level- it's just a specific subsection of 'high' tier characters who pretty much can't punch up but will stomp the shit out of anyone under them barring some wild exceptions
 
Seyavesh said:
i don't really think wolverine loses to chun either so i guess our views of how the characters operate are too different, haha.
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It's not just me talking, just about everyone at the CM was saying that too. SBK had a FT100 against RyanVL (got like 10 games on him lol) and said that the match up is bad for Wolverine and the only reason he got some games was because of Jam Session.

Chun Li has some of the best defensive options in the game in a game where defensive options are notoriously lacking. Same way Wolverine has to respect Hulk and Haggar's defensive options, Wolverine has to respect Chun Li's defensive options but the opposite isn't true... Chun Li can easily either run away from Wolverine or rush him down. If your team is based around pure rushdown then you are going to struggle against a good Chun Li.
 
Dahbomb said:
It's not just me talking, just about everyone at the CM was saying that too. SBK had a FT100 against RyanVL (got like 10 games on him lol) and said that the match up is bad for Wolverine and the only reason he got some games was because of Jam Session.

Chun Li has some of the best defensive options in the game in a game where defensive options are notoriously lacking. Same way Wolverine has to rest Hulk and Haggar's defensive options, Wolverine has to respect Chun Li's defensive options but the other isn't true... Chun Li can easily either run away from Wolverine or rush him down.
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well shit, i can't discount SBK so that's pretty fucking wild. that explanation makes sense though. i'm very much a 'i gotta see this in action' type of dude so it's somethin' i'd have to look at to really believe, haha.

also gdi they're playing curleh GF offstream at undefeated
 
Hello there, if someone could please provide information in regards to the approximate time of the commencement of the video game "Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3" it would be greatly appreciated.
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This will never not crack me up.
 
"He's documenting the busass."

LMAO! I have to admit, Phoenix whooping some ass while flipping papers is hilarious.


ChrisG attempting to counter pick RyanLV with Strider.


Edit: RyanLV whoops ChrisG 3-1 again.
 
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