LincolnSixEcho
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I'm looking forward to some benchmarks. I'm optimistic that it will be the best bang for the buck.
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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3
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dgrdsv
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More pricing leaks: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 1700X and 1700 listed online
And some architectural details: More details about AMD Zen CPU core revealed at ISSCC
Guys, you should really keep your expectations in check. 7700K is THE fastest gaming quad core CPU on the planet and the result of nearly ten years of Intel's Core evolution. Chances that AMD will be able to reach this level with an 8 core 1s gen Zen CPU are very slim, because of several different reasons, one of them being the fact that games are still predominately limited by a single thread performance in which Intel's 4 core will most likely win over Zen 8 core with a hefty lead. What AMD might be able to do though is to reach a high enough performance level to be on par with Intel in a typical gaming GPU limited scenario in which case the choice of an 8 core CPU over a 4 core one on the same price point would be pretty obvious and will push Intel into moving 6 cores and 8 cores into the mainstream segment. To see if they'll pull it off we need to see the benchmarks, not from AMD of course.
And some architectural details: More details about AMD Zen CPU core revealed at ISSCC
Guys, you should really keep your expectations in check. 7700K is THE fastest gaming quad core CPU on the planet and the result of nearly ten years of Intel's Core evolution. Chances that AMD will be able to reach this level with an 8 core 1s gen Zen CPU are very slim, because of several different reasons, one of them being the fact that games are still predominately limited by a single thread performance in which Intel's 4 core will most likely win over Zen 8 core with a hefty lead. What AMD might be able to do though is to reach a high enough performance level to be on par with Intel in a typical gaming GPU limited scenario in which case the choice of an 8 core CPU over a 4 core one on the same price point would be pretty obvious and will push Intel into moving 6 cores and 8 cores into the mainstream segment. To see if they'll pull it off we need to see the benchmarks, not from AMD of course.
ethomaz
Banned
Well... that was expected. I don't see PS5/XB4 using 7nm.
10nm is what will be ready in 2019/2020.
At least there will be space left in post-launch years for transistor shrinks and slimmer hardware.
LelouchZero
Member
If Ryzen comes out at prices similar to that it will be absolutely amazing! I can't wait to see the performance in reviews!
ISee
Member
Nobody knows.
But we will most probably get amd 'synthetic' benchmarks like blender tests, cine bench etc. first because that's where ryzen will shine the most. And that's fair enough, informative and even important for some people (video editing etc.).
But I expect real gaming benchmarks (not this it can run bf1 at 4k/60 when paired with a titan x bs) to drop right before the official launch.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
It's gaf, so this talk is normal. For a large group of people, though, the question of 1{7|8}00 vs whatever intel has in that price range simply does not stand - rysen's core advantage is absolutely decisive /MT represent
opticalmace
Member
Finally some excitement in the CPU space. I hope Ryzen kicks some ass, though I'm sitting on a 6700k now anyway.
Maybe I could somehow justify passing this onto the wife and getting myself an 8 core/16 thread machine...
Maybe I could somehow justify passing this onto the wife and getting myself an 8 core/16 thread machine...
LordOfChaos
Member
David Kanters article on Ryzen just removed the paywall, very in depth on the architecture:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1342455
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1342455
Because price wise that's where the Ryzen chips will fall. I have zero faith that AMD will be able to compete with the 6900k, and I have some doubts about them hanging with the Kaby Lake line too, but we'll see.
If all you care about is gaming, then I don't think the question is really between the 7700K and the 1700, I think it's likely to be between the 7700K and the 1300 or 1400. That is, if AMD's 4C/8T Ryzen chips are close enough to Intel that they're comfortably capable of 60fps in modern games, then most gamers would probably get more performance out of their PC by saving money on their CPU and getting a better GPU instead.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
You probably missed the leaks from Canard PC, who are very reliable, and their tests on a lower-clocked Ryzen engineering sample. That hints that the flagship will be extremely competitive with the 6900K in performance and massively cheaper to boot.
dgrdsv
Member
Bulldozer and Steamroller both had 2x core advantage. There's more to a CPU than a number of cores.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I think we're all talking of comparable cores and comparable IPC in both int an fp domains. Bulldozer & co have nothing to do here.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Judging by that Blender MT test - perfectly comparable for my purposes ; )
Delusibeta
Banned
As ever, wait for independent benchmarks. That said, if the price leaks for the top end Ryzen chips are accurate, I can definitely see AMD getting some market in heavily threaded workloads.
I just read up about it. It's encouraging for sure.
sleepnaught
Member
When does the embargo end? Release date?No, we need to have full rationality when it comes to AMD leaks. We can say "1060 is 20% stronger than rx480" then cling to it months after its been disproven, but with AMD, nooo!
I still cant wait for embargo to be over, tbh. Will end this negativity (one way or the other..)
exmachina64
Banned
I'll buy the R7 1800X at $500 in a motherfucking heartbeat.
Delusibeta
Banned
These are the desktop chips, the custom chips (that all the games consoles use) won't be available until next year, ruling out Zen being used in Scorpio.
Ricerocket
Member
These are desktop CPUs. Nothing to do with consoles.
Very curious why it's priced the way it is while marketing shows that it's rival to certain Intel chips. It's like AMD doesn't want $$$ or it's priced accordingly for the eventual performance benchmarks when they come out eventually.
dgrdsv
Member
No, we need to have full rationality when it comes to AMD leaks. We can say "1060 is 20% stronger than rx480" then cling to it months after its been disproven, but with AMD, nooo!
I still cant wait for embargo to be over, tbh. Will end this negativity (one way or the other..)
No, we can't. And nobody did either of those things. Feel free to go and prove me wrong.
Tallshortman
Member
They already announced it was more than 40% increase.
TC McQueen
Member
Supposedly it only takes like $20-100 dollars to actually make the ship, so selling them at $300+ dollars gets them a lot of money already.
Also, AMD really needs marketshare, so cheap CPUs that perform pretty well would get them a lot of sales.
opticalmace
Member
How much did you buy?
500 shares
LelouchZero
Member
If it's really priced like that then wow!
Even if the performance is below Skylake, like around Sandy-Haswell that kind of performance is still really good, especially with 6 or 8 cores with SMT!
It makes me wonder how feasible it would be to put 6 or 8 cores in a console for $500 or something like £429 in the UK with a custom 6TF Polaris or Vega GPU.
It sounds like semi-custom Zen isn't very plausible for a 2017 console though unfortunately.
No point to marketshare if their cashflow gets rekt 😑
I don't think many of you realize what the CPU workload is like for most games.
Most games heavily load up one or two threads, while the rest of the work gets distributed across the rest.
When you make more threads available to these games, you can see how it's really one or two main threads doing all the work, while the remaining workload gets evenly distributed.
If you compare the results from the 8-core CPUs to the 4-core CPUs, you can see how the CPU load for the highest thread is often quite a bit lower - that's due to the higher IPC and clockspeeds of the quad-core vs the lower single-core but higher multithreaded performance of an 8-core CPU.
If you look at the tests with the 5960X, the 6700K is 30-40% faster per-core, and far less likely to bottleneck your GPU.
Now that's not true for all games - some newer games like Deus Ex: Mankind Divided are scaling their work across multiple cores very well - but the majority do not.
If it was just "Sandy Bridge IPC + Clocks, but 8 cores" then many games wouldn't perform any better using an 8-core Ryzen chip than a quad-core Sandy Bridge CPU, and would perform much worse than a 7700K running at 5GHz.
It's clear that Ryzen is going to be a very good performing chip for highly muiltithreaded applications or multitasking, and looks like it's going to be extremely good value.
But we don't know how it's going to perform in games yet. Tests against a 6900K don't tell us much about its gaming performance - it's tests against a 7700K which matter for gaming.
It is definitely not going to perform as well as one of them in games like the examples I posted above. However the question is if it's good enough that having those extra four cores for the games or other applications which can use them makes up for it.
What about Ubisoft games like ACU and Division? I remember they multithread well
Edit: is that BF1 load image an MP test? You need to show the load for full MP, not SP.
Many doesn't imply all. Some games are threaded well.
***RUMOR***
AMD Ryzen: Intel allegedly briefed its partners with PR phrases
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-Zen-Codename-261795/News/Ryzen-Intel-Kaby-Lake-S-1220311/
Looks like Intel is training their associates about Ryzen - funny evasions 101
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...ing_their_associates/?st=iywwxwd8&sh=b58f7978
AMD Ryzen: Intel allegedly briefed its partners with PR phrases
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-Zen-Codename-261795/News/Ryzen-Intel-Kaby-Lake-S-1220311/
Looks like Intel is training their associates about Ryzen - funny evasions 101
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...ing_their_associates/?st=iywwxwd8&sh=b58f7978
brain_stew
Member
Those pricing leaks are insane.
An 8 core 16 thread CPU @ 3.7ghz with (at least) Broadwell-E IPC for less than an i7 7700k is beyond anyone's wildest dreams.
And that thing is only 65w and includes the very decent wraith cooler for free as well!?
No matter where this thing lies one thing is for sure is that nobody should be thinking about a CPU upgrade over the next month. Everyone should hold off for Ryzen as it could turn the whole market on it's head.
CPUs are interesting and exciting again and it's about time.
An 8 core 16 thread CPU @ 3.7ghz with (at least) Broadwell-E IPC for less than an i7 7700k is beyond anyone's wildest dreams.
And that thing is only 65w and includes the very decent wraith cooler for free as well!?
No matter where this thing lies one thing is for sure is that nobody should be thinking about a CPU upgrade over the next month. Everyone should hold off for Ryzen as it could turn the whole market on it's head.
CPUs are interesting and exciting again and it's about time.
LelouchZero
Member
I wasn't specifically talking about gaming performance and I'm well aware of the CPU workload of games. Multi-threaded performance has many applications outside of gaming such as rendering and will be beneficial to many.
Ryzen is looking to be a solid competitor to Intel's current lineup and is likely to have a significant impact on the market, competition is good for the consumer and we'll be seeing higher performing CPUs from AMD that are competitively priced and positioned against Intel products.
How they perform across the board is yet to be seen but so far the multi-threaded performance they showcased in Blender has been quite promising.
GhostTrick
Banned
I think the most important thing here is IPC.
Because if these 4 cores/8 threads CPU are not only cheaper than i5 but also are freely overclockable (unlike Intel's bullshit K models) then we're getting a big winner here.
I have an i5 4430 and while IPC is great, I still regret that I'll never be able to overclock it. Unless I pay for a 80 more expensive CPU and a 80 more expensive motherboard.
Because if these 4 cores/8 threads CPU are not only cheaper than i5 but also are freely overclockable (unlike Intel's bullshit K models) then we're getting a big winner here.
I have an i5 4430 and while IPC is great, I still regret that I'll never be able to overclock it. Unless I pay for a 80 more expensive CPU and a 80 more expensive motherboard.
My 4690 is bottlenecking me 😫
Aztechnology
Member
Sure but it's still exciting, and the price points are definitely enticing.
MetalGearSilly
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Excited to see some benchmarks with recent releases but I only just found out they're stating no support for Windows 7. Isn't that bad news considering that's still the most common OS?